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CarboniC
Gallente lOGISTICS INC
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Posted - 2007.06.27 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: CarboniC on 27/06/2007 22:09:34 Hi, I will bid 25.1 bil, the character that will pay the isk with be this one that is posting, though the recieving character will remain nameless for ship security(seller will be informed if i win). I will deal with an agreed 3rd party(TBC) only for isk/ship transfer.
If the deal is not agreed by both the seller and me the buyer then no transfer will take place.
Thank you.
CarboniC
Trader and hauler. Jack of all trades, master of many.
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Zoltaris
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.28 04:46:00 -
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I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation -----
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zoltaris I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation
and you are not exactly allies of RA, are you?
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Zoltaris
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: picture
Originally by: Zoltaris I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation
and you are not exactly allies of RA, are you?
Does that make us scammers? -----
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Nimitz Alexander
Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:31:00 -
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someone had a good suggestion about this the other day in industry forum
Buying char has agreed apon buy value in megacyte in a carrier, and a small pos in a empty 0.0 system.
Buyer parks carrier in pos, and scans mothership with a frig to verify no smarties, tackle, cyno etc fitted. once verfied comes back in carrier. Mothership seller scans carrier to verify payment ammount, lack of weapons.
one char ejects, they switch ships, jump out. Payment has physically changed hands, so scamming is effectively impossible.
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Jakkin
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:40:00 -
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So if I were to bid what security do I have?
Given the fact I trust NO-ONE in eve it makes is kind of difficult..
Jakkin
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Yuna
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zoltaris I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation
So basicly, one would trust you not to scam for a 150M fee, tbh it feels safer with a 3rd party asking for like 2B in fee since a low fee may imply that the 3rd party is only trying to make the buyer/seller chose him/her because of the low fee... |
Midget Gem
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Posted - 2007.06.28 09:09:00 -
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easy solved get a GM to act as third party
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Zoltaris
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yuna
Originally by: Zoltaris I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation
So basicly, one would trust you not to scam for a 150M fee, tbh it feels safer with a 3rd party asking for like 2B in fee since a low fee may imply that the 3rd party is only trying to make the buyer/seller chose him/her because of the low fee...
150m seem good enough for something that should take less than an hour and for acting just as a holder of the isk
Don't you think that a 2b fee is way too expensive just to have to hold the money for a few mins?
If the buyer/seller want me to be present at the location of the transaction, the fee will be higher, but nothing too exagerated, probably 1% instead of 0.5% -----
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Yuna
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zoltaris 150m seem good enough for something that should take less than an hour and for acting just as a holder of the isk
Don't you think that a 2b fee is way too expensive just to have to hold the money for a few mins?
If the buyer/seller want me to be present at the location of the transaction, the fee will be higher, but nothing too exagerated, probably 1% instead of 0.5%
Personally I don't think it is too low since after all the multiple billions we're talking about here needs some sort of guarantee.
As for your last sentence... So you say you will hold the ISK but not be present at the switch? Excuse me, but how could you ever tell that the trade actually take place then.
The seller says he has ejected and the the buyer has climbed in, while the buyer says the seller has not ejected. I don't see how you ever could transfer the ISK back to either part in that situation as you can't verify who is lying and who isn't - returning the money to the buyer? He might have the ship already - Return the money to the seller? - He might never have ejected.
You're asked to be a trusted 3rd party and you're not even going to be present - sure you may be trusted but you can't verify if the buyer or seller is to be trusted. Doesn't feel to comfortable tbh. |
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:25:00 -
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You don't need to be present at the trade, trust me. It's easy to verify if the trade has taken place.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack You don't need to be present at the trade, trust me. It's easy to verify if the trade has taken place.
Any pointers for me on how to verify this? Drop me a PM in case the info is sensitive, thanks
Help me help you. |
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Dub0n
Minmatar Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:00:00 -
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LOL. Why peoples so stupid? In IAC auction for same ship last bid was 32 bln and nobody cry like babes that they scum but if we decide to sell one of 10 our mothers all cry and think that its scum...Pure peoples... PS Frendly bump
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:53:00 -
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I am red to RA. So you can be sure that I am not going to steal from you to benifit them. However there is a need for a transfer process to make sales like this possible. I will act as escrow.
How I see this going down is:
The purchaser sends the isk to me. The seller takes to MS, fitted only with a cloak, to a gateway system and awaits my invitation to gang and instruction instruction to jump. Only my cyno alt and myself and the seller will be in the gang to avoid the jump in of other cap ships. The seller has 45 seconds to initiate Jump. I will meet seller at the cyno point where the seller has 1 minute to eject from the ship and warp to station. I board the ship and warp it to a prearranged SS where I cloak. I will wait 15 minutes and move the ship to another system and again cloak.
The purchaser then is informed of the location of the ship.
When the MS is safely out of the transfer system and is cloaked in the destination system I will transfer the isk to the seller. Minus 100 million isk brokerage fee.
The purchaser is then ganged and warps to me and and I eject from the ship and the purchaser boards.
I will only guarentee my part in this. I make no guarentee's that the purchaser forwards me the isk and I make no guarentees that the seller jumps the MS and ejects from it. What I do however guarentee is that if I do not receive the isk from the purchaser the seller is never ganged and not asked to jump to the undisclosed system. If the seller does not comply the isk will be returned to the purchaser in full minus the fee of 100 million isk. If the seller in anyway violates the terms of the agreement I log out and the isk is returned to the purchaser forthwith. If the seller destroyes the vessel when I am piloting it the purchaser gets his isk back as well as the insurance payout. If the purchaser attacks the ship when I am piloting ( bizzare I know) the the seller gets the isk left in escrow as well as the insurance payment.
Now to all you guys who will flame me. I know that at some point I will be in possession of both the MS and the isk. What prevents me from pulling a guiding hand?? Just me and my sence of self worth. As you can see I have been in CoRM or it's empire corp since I started playing over 2 years ago. I am a senior director in CoRM and have had the opportunity to steal much more then this but will not.
What do I get out of this? Well tbfh I get fame, and I get the reputation of an inpartial escrow business. I hope to use this transaction to develope this business into something that this game desparately needs, a Trusted site. A place that exchanges like this can happen due to the build up of trust.
If this seems like an oportunity that you (the purchaser and the seller) wish to explore please eve-mail me. To the flamers out there. pffffft you opinion means nothing to me.
I will answer questions for the purchaser and the seller only. ***********************************************
How could they know what we are going to do? We have no idea what we are going to do.
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Besrezen Kantos
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:15:00 -
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30 bil |
CarboniC
Gallente lOGISTICS INC
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Posted - 2007.06.30 21:21:00 -
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Hi 30.5 bil with the caveats of previous message.
Carb Trader and hauler. Jack of all trades, master of many.
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Shania Kahn
Caldari Serpent Research Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.30 22:52:00 -
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Use a neutral 3rd party pos for transfer ms pilot parks and ejects ship escrow pos owner changes pos pw buyer sends isk to escrow char on rcpt of isk and transfer to seller pw sent to buyer still requires a neutral trustworthy 3rd party but should rule out other shenanigans
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zoltaris
Originally by: Yuna
Originally by: Zoltaris I am willing to act as a 3rd party in the name of my corporation for a small 0.5% fee, as one of the oldest and most skilled char in the game and a member of my corporation for over 4 years, i guess that should make me a reliable 3rd party
About COLSUP, we have been active in 0.0 since our beginning, in 2003, and everyone who know us know we are an honest corporation
So basicly, one would trust you not to scam for a 150M fee, tbh it feels safer with a 3rd party asking for like 2B in fee since a low fee may imply that the 3rd party is only trying to make the buyer/seller chose him/her because of the low fee...
150m seem good enough for something that should take less than an hour and for acting just as a holder of the isk
Don't you think that a 2b fee is way too expensive just to have to hold the money for a few mins?
If the buyer/seller want me to be present at the location of the transaction, the fee will be higher, but nothing too exagerated, probably 1% instead of 0.5%
Zoltaris Have you ever found out how to change the UI target colors from just white?
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CarboniC
Gallente lOGISTICS INC
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Posted - 2007.07.01 17:28:00 -
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Bid of 30.5 bil removed.
CarboniC Trader and hauler. Jack of all trades, master of many.
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SolApathy
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 17:32:00 -
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LOL @ all these guys crying scam, but seriously when a scam is conducted its done towards a player, the right to buy a mothership is a unique oportunity if RA wanted to scam they would likely offer it to a certain person as was the case in all previous scams with Miz, Adsterine and Ginger. This however is not the case!
i dont believe this is a scam and i would recommend those with isk to purchase it from such a trusted seller and alliance. the classic question is why cant ccp make them dock or safe to trade. The bottom line is super capitals change the tides of war they shouldnt be so easy to trade for those with the biggest wallet. the barrier with building these ships is not the isk its the hardcore logistics.
thats just my 2isk btw i will act as a broker :P but given my history i wont be offended if u decide that might not be a good idea
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Xeliya
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Ray McCormack You don't need to be present at the trade, trust me. It's easy to verify if the trade has taken place.
Any pointers for me on how to verify this? Drop me a PM in case the info is sensitive, thanks
ISK is sent to you from seller. You tell the buyer you have the ISK. He gives the buyer the ship. You give the seller the ISK.
You don't ever have to leave your Veldnaught \o/
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Chip2k3
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Chip2k3 on 01/07/2007 21:56:31
Originally by: Xeliya
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Ray McCormack You don't need to be present at the trade, trust me. It's easy to verify if the trade has taken place.
Any pointers for me on how to verify this? Drop me a PM in case the info is sensitive, thanks
ISK is sent to you from seller. You tell the buyer you have the ISK. He gives the buyer the ship. You give the seller the ISK.
You don't ever have to leave your Veldnaught \o/
That leaves the seller open to scam, you have his isk and the buyer has the ship, find a buyer and 3rd party who are ingame friends and, hey presto. Even buying their help is possible when you talk of billions
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Edited by: Chip2k3 on 01/07/2007 21:56:31
Originally by: Xeliya
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Ray McCormack You don't need to be present at the trade, trust me. It's easy to verify if the trade has taken place.
Any pointers for me on how to verify this? Drop me a PM in case the info is sensitive, thanks
ISK is sent to you from seller. You tell the buyer you have the ISK. He gives the buyer the ship. You give the seller the ISK.
You don't ever have to leave your Veldnaught \o/
That leaves the seller open to scam, you have his isk and the buyer has the ship, find a buyer and 3rd party who are ingame friends and, hey presto. Even buying their help is possible when you talk of billions
Thats the point in a 3rd party. Theyre a trusted member of the community with a reputation to keep - Dark Shikari, BIG, Chribba. None of these people would scam you. Ever. ---
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Thats the point in a 3rd party. Theyre a trusted member of the community with a reputation to keep - Dark Shikari, BIG, Chribba. None of these people would scam you. Ever.
I believe he's referring to following thoretical situation: - Seller appears with mothership - Buyer sends trustee the isk - Trustee confirms to buyer and seller that isk has been recieved - Seller ejects from ship - Buyer gets into ship - Buyer lies and claims to have been scammed. - Seller tells the truth and claims to have traded successfuly.
At this point, the trustee would be in the situation of having to choose who to believe. Actually being present in a cloaked ship watching it is pretty much a requirement. I think that's the point that was being made.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.01 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/07/2007 23:46:09
Originally by: Nimitz Alexander someone had a good suggestion about this the other day in industry forum
Buying char has agreed apon buy value in megacyte in a carrier, and a small pos in a empty 0.0 system.
Buyer parks carrier in pos, and scans mothership with a frig to verify no smarties, tackle, cyno etc fitted. once verfied comes back in carrier. Mothership seller scans carrier to verify payment ammount, lack of weapons.
one char ejects, they switch ships, jump out. Payment has physically changed hands, so scamming is effectively impossible.
The second one char ejects, who is to say that..... someone just so happen to Logon and pop the pod and thus keep both ships? Of course, I am not saying that the OP's Alliance would do a Logon trap for 25bil isk worth of stuff, but you can never be too careful!
Anyhow I dont think this is a scam, but to be on the safe side 3rd party would have to be someone who has contributed to the eve community so much that there is no point in scamming. Chribba for example, who is happy to do this going by his earlier comments, so it should be a straightforward deal.
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:06:00 -
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I've done a trade like this before (as 3rd party) and I sat there right next to the mothership in system and watched the two pilots change seats... works just fine, and no room for doubt -
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Jonny 101
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:13:00 -
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If I can't trust Chribba with my ISK I dont wanna play no more! ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby |
Rainbow Jesus
Minmatar Grief Tactics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.07.02 02:41:00 -
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I'll offer you my special kind of payment!
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vile56
Nubs. D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.02 02:48:00 -
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i think backdoor bandit would be a good 3rd party -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Is in appropriate for the forums. mail us with a link if you want to know why -Kaemonn ([email protected]) |
s0n0fs4m
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:59:00 -
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Why not just put the nyx on a char that only has skills to sit in the ship? that doesnt take long at all if done right....
then character auction it... you will get more isk for it anyway..
and if done correctly the GMs guarantee your isk..
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