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Katherine Sharpe
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Posted - 2007.06.27 23:39:00 -
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I have just recently started into the trading side of the game, and I am doing fine for myself - I am past the 100 mill point but having some trouble getting past the 500 mill hump. Anyway that's not my question.
Most decent sized corps have a pretty efficient mining ops and are good in 0.0 ops as well - so there doesn't seem to be a big issue with getting minerals or special loot to equip ships. So the question is
1. Do most trader chars or alts work for corps or as independents?
2. If you work for a corp what kind of value add services do you provide to the corp?
3. What do you expect the corp to provide in return?
4. If you work as an independent is the trader char your alt who pays the bills for the PvP char?
BTW when I mean a corp I mean a corp with at least 20+ active people.
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Dal Thrax
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 00:01:00 -
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Well in the past having a corp trader meant giving that trader full access to the corp wallet (in most cases). Not many corps wanted to be at risk for both theft and bad trades. Now with wallet division we may see more corp traders. Most traders though are independents (unlike most T1 production which is a corp activity).
Dal
Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
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mr bighelmet
EnTech Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:27:00 -
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no idea about everyone else but I work as my corp trader i also got alts that are outside corp and trade for myself, the corp CEO know what items i trade for myself and agreed to the deal. The added value is that i know the market i have the skills and i'm willing to make proffit to the corp. The corp provide me with fun and some logistic, making isk for yourself is chalange at the start but after a certain point the isk keep coming, working for the corp you got people who make sure that the isk also keep going away (WTF you lost two rokh in PvP).
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Steve Handoverfist
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:03:00 -
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So the benefit to the corp in this case is an additional source of ISK. The corp provides free transport in return for the ISK.
Do you also sell the loot for the corp on the Contract market or does that get recycled within the corp?
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Amicus Pauperi
ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:17:00 -
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I can't speak for all traders, but first got my trading wings under the protection of my NPC corp (see story in sig). The corp I'm with now is a great group of folks, mainly mining-industrial out in 0.0 It's given me a great opportunity to understand another side of the game that wouldn't have before and what I give back in return is extensive Empire market research.
For example - they need a new fleet of Hulks and Macs. I find the best deal for em. Implants, mods, faction items, you name it. About to offload a bunch of high end mins? I'll even "prep" the market beforehand
So: 1. Old independent now working for a corp. 2. They get the best price on purchases and sales. Also I point out where the best profits can be made. 3. Fun, and 0.0 access, which they've delivered spot on. 4. N/A - My "PvP" char is my trader char. Economic PvP - Cornering Jita 4-4 |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.28 13:07:00 -
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Speaking personally for myself.
I assist in other aspects of the corps industrialist activities monitor markets for expansion and key on on product movements and help other members of the corp expand their isk making ability by cluing them in on immediate opportunities.
In return I expect nothing, as being involved in a large group aids me in my trading abilities by getting me better information to analyze with regards to consumption in a region or regions. |
Katherine Sharpe
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:17:00 -
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For those who work for Trade Corps, do you run a department?
Basically do you have other traders report to you? How is that managed since trading seems to be a solitary activity imo. I understand that you can use them as remote regional traders or price checkers but that couldn't happen all the time and in any case you don't to be in the trade dept to do that. Or do you just give them a few million ISK and say good luck and come back when you have tripled it
The second question is whether you continue to do personal trade while also doing corp trade? How do you keep the two separate, keep yourself from competing with your own corp or vice versa? This would be worse if you have other traders in your dept.
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.22 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Katherine Sharpe 1. Do most trader chars or alts work for corps or as independents?
2. If you work for a corp what kind of value add services do you provide to the corp?
3. What do you expect the corp to provide in return?
4. If you work as an independent is the trader char your alt who pays the bills for the PvP char?
5.For those who work for Trade Corps, do you run a department?
6.The second question is whether you continue to do personal trade while also doing corp trade? How do you keep the two separate, keep yourself from competing with your own corp or vice versa? This would be worse if you have other traders in your dept.
Lot of questions.....
Some answers...
1. I work in a corp but i also do side trading for myself since it is my main breadwinner...
2. Value reside in the profit optimisation side. In a corp, if by selling 10 items for 3 M... you get 30M if I know a place where i can sell them for 4 M each that's an extra 10M for free...
3. Simple: protection.... I have very little pvp skill but for the rest you are pretty independent also the ships used for trading and their fitting is pretty cheap it is the cargo that isn't.
4. Not applicable in my case
5. There is no such thing as a trading department in my case but there are corps based mostly on trading and that do a lot of intertrading stuff.
6. Simple, i trade corp stuff in one region and my personal stuff in another.Also my corp trade are related to other goods than the one i used for personal trading.
Hope it all help and good luck in trading....
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Solar Research Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.22 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax Well in the past having a corp trader meant giving that trader full access to the corp wallet.
This is a problem for some corps, but even if trust is not at issue there is a big problem flaw in the game mechanics for Corp traders.
Goods can be sold straight from a personal hanger, but not from a delivery hanger. Traders can margin trade for them selves, not for a corp. Goods cannot be sold from the Delivery Hanger without further manual intervention even it's just moving goods straight to a Corp Hanger. In most cases somebody needs to visit a remote stations and collect the goods or place them on the market.
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Katherine Sharpe
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Posted - 2007.07.23 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Goods can be sold straight from a personal hanger, but not from a delivery hanger. Traders can margin trade for them selves, not for a corp. Goods cannot be sold from the Delivery Hanger without further manual intervention even it's just moving goods straight to a Corp Hanger. In most cases somebody needs to visit a remote stations and collect the goods or place them on the market.
Well in this regard you can do a Deliver to -> Member-> self on item and then you can sell item from location and pay to corp account. A few steps but not too bad as long as you have more than a few items sitting there.
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