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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:24:00 -
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Hello all,
A member of my corp resently did some business with a person by the name of Elora Narst. The deal was 62 mil. for two myrmidons which Elora put into a freeform contract.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/New_Bitmap_Image(1).bmp
When it was all said and done my corp mate was out 62 mil. with no myrmidons to show for it. Any ideas of what happened? Was this some sort of exploit?
Also this person has a 1 mil. cspa charge
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Phoenix Division FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:28:00 -
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No, look at reward, it says none, the desciption can say he's selling you CCP's children, still doesn't mean you'll get them.
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lysit Kaune No, look at reward, it says none, the desciption can say he's selling you CCP's children, still doesn't mean you'll get them.
So the words, offered items, under description by user means nothing?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:33:00 -
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Nice on the color scheme, nice on the links et al.
1/10 for scamming 8/10 for a well thought-out scam
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Nice on the color scheme, nice on the links et al.
1/10 for scamming 8/10 for a well thought-out scam
So it was a scam and no exploit?
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Phoenix Division FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:38:00 -
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Yup, it only says offered items because he typed it in. No scam. Moral of the story, stay away from free form contracts like the Jovian disease.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea
Originally by: Sokratesz Nice on the color scheme, nice on the links et al.
1/10 for scamming 8/10 for a well thought-out scam
So it was a scam and no exploit?
scams are legal and FULLY ENDORSED by CCP Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea
Originally by: Sokratesz Nice on the color scheme, nice on the links et al.
1/10 for scamming 8/10 for a well thought-out scam
So it was a scam and no exploit?
It's not an exploit..he's just pushing the game limitations. You are free to type in any sort of description in that box, including item links and coloured text, and he made it look like it was a normal 'see what you get' box.
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Meleira Luan
Tiger Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:44:00 -
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It is most certainly a scam. Don't ever accept freeform contracts unless you are very sure of what you do. I'd try petitioning it because I doubt CCP intended it to be used in this way (even though they do not disallow scamming). Private auctions got used for scamming purposes and got removed. People who got struck by it were most likely not reimbursed though.
The name of the scammer is vagely similar to Dentara Rast, a well known scammer. Maybe he is back in business or it's a wannabe.
Sorry for you loss!
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:50:00 -
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Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Also remove all jetcans to disallow ore stealing, and gate bubbles to stop things being unfair to haulers, and remove guns too 'cause people shouldn't die
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Freeform has it's legitimate reasons for existing.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kumu Honua
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Freeform has it's legitimate reasons for existing.
And private auctions didnt?
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kumu Honua
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Freeform has it's legitimate reasons for existing.
Like what that can't be handled by the other types of contracts?
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Also remove all jetcans to disallow ore stealing, and gate bubbles to stop things being unfair to haulers, and remove guns too 'cause people shouldn't die
Your post has no point go troll else where!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Also remove all jetcans to disallow ore stealing, and gate bubbles to stop things being unfair to haulers, and remove guns too 'cause people shouldn't die
Your post has no point go troll else where!
Yes it does, but you failed to grasp it.
If we're gonna remove things from game just because people fall victims to obvious scams, that they don't even ask ingame if they might be a scam, then we should remove half the things in the game.
Remove jetcans or make them unopenable to other players so miners are happy. Remove bubbles so haulers are happy. Remove guns so people who don't want to fight are happy. etc..etc...etc.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Alrighty all, thanks for the info and may CCP acknowledge the need for the removal of freeform contracts. Before more new characters fall pray to such low life tactics
Also remove all jetcans to disallow ore stealing, and gate bubbles to stop things being unfair to haulers, and remove guns too 'cause people shouldn't die
Your post has no point go troll else where!
Yes it does, but you failed to grasp it.
If we're gonna remove things from game just because people fall victims to obvious scams, that they don't even ask ingame if they might be a scam, then we should remove half the things in the game.
Remove jetcans or make them unopenable to other players so miners are happy. Remove bubbles so haulers are happy. Remove guns so people who don't want to fight are happy. etc..etc...etc.
Freeform has no use that other contracts can't solve. Jetcans have there use, as do bubbles. Another players ability to steal from a jetcan is a risk a miner takes for not using a secure container.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea Freeform has no use that other contracts can't solve. Jetcans have there use, as do bubbles. Another players ability to steal from a jetcan is a risk a miner takes for not using a secure container.
JEtcans as such(with their 27k space) has no use secure containers couldn't solve. Bubbles isn't something another disruptor couldn't solve. See where this is going?
Just because you fell victim(or your "friend"), doesn't mean a game mechanic should be removed.
I'm sure there are uses for free form contracting, if nothing else, sell away useless stuff.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Meleira Luan
Tiger Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
If we're gonna remove things from game just because people fall victims to obvious scams, that they don't even ask ingame if they might be a scam, then we should remove half the things in the game.
But these things are already fixed, contract scamming is not.
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Remove jetcans or make them unopenable to other players so miners are happy.
Use secure cans.
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Remove bubbles so haulers are happy.
Cant be placed or launched outside of 0.0
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Remove guns so people who don't want to fight are happy. etc..etc...etc.
Concord boosted so non-consentual PvP in high sec is now not a viable tactic.
I think you fail to grasp that bugs in the game should not allow for scamming. If it is done cleverly and not involving abusing broken game mechanics, knock yourself out.
This is not such a case.
/Mel
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/06/2007 08:13:23
Originally by: Meleira Luan I think you fail to grasp that bugs in the game should not allow for scamming.
I didn't fail to grasp anything.
There's nothing broken about it.
If i come to your door and say "Hay! Buy this pig in a bag!" and hold up a bag, and you buy it, i run, you open and see there's noly rocks. It's a legitimate scam.
So what's buggy or broken in it?
The examples i used with bubbles and jetcans wasn't suppposed to be taken so rectally.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Freeform has no use that other contracts can't solve. Jetcans have there use, as do bubbles. Another players ability to steal from a jetcan is a risk a miner takes for not using a secure container.
JEtcans as such(with their 27k space) has no use secure containers couldn't solve. Bubbles isn't something another disruptor couldn't solve. See where this is going?
Just because you fell victim(or your "friend"), doesn't mean a game mechanic should be removed.
I'm sure there are uses for free form contracting, if nothing else, sell away useless stuff.
Give me a reason why they should keep freeform or shut up!
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea Edited by: Gerrard Lea on 28/06/2007 08:16:37
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Freeform has no use that other contracts can't solve. Jetcans have there use, as do bubbles. Another players ability to steal from a jetcan is a risk a miner takes for not using a secure container.
JEtcans as such(with their 27k space) has no use secure containers couldn't solve. Bubbles isn't something another disruptor couldn't solve. See where this is going?
Just because you fell victim(or your "friend"), doesn't mean a game mechanic should be removed.
I'm sure there are uses for free form contracting, if nothing else, sell away useless stuff.
Give me a reason why they should keep freeform or shut up! All the other things have reasons for being in the game. Give me a reason why freeform is and should be in the game.
Because scams like this are allowed by CCP.
To be honest it looks like a scam, somebody with 62 million isk should have been paying better attention to what was going on.
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Decimo
Amarr DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:36:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=545888
If only.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:42:00 -
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Well if for nothing else, since scams are a part of the EVE universe, there's reason enough to keep it.
Actually scamming and other nonfighting criminal profession stuff should be added, not removed.
I've never scammed anyone of anything, and i doubt i will, but it's a profession as much as ore thieving and other criminal behaviour.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:56:00 -
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Wait... is that rockerguy I see in your corp chat?
You come here complaining "!!!scam!!!sploitz!!!" and you don't even know how many people/corps rockerguy has stolen from/scammed in the past?
Good luck m8
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Santa Anna
Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:58:00 -
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Freeform contracts play a vital role as a catalyst in the fool/money decomposition reaction first documented by 16th century English farmer, writer, and alchemist Thomas Tusser. |
Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.06.28 09:25:00 -
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Greed makes the scamming world go round.
If a deal irl looks to good to be true, it probably is. If a deal in eve looks to good to be true, it probably is.
Huh... funny that.
But why should our apparent natural reaction be, "CCP!! Hold our hands!!"
That's what always gets me. "I was ganked in highsec, CCP FIX IT!" or "Somebody scammed meh! CCP FIX IT!".
Why should it be fixed? Oh, I'm sure we'll get the usual doom-sayers in here predicting the death of Eve if things aren't all nice and pillowy soft for the noobs (it's always "the noobs" pulling at our heart strings).
To me, these sorts of things are what comprise the Difficulty Level of Eve. It is definately not something to be "fixed". You are playing on Hard Mode, like it or not, because you go head to head against your fellow players for much of your game interactions. NPCs don't provide any sort of challenge in comparison.
Player provided content is far greater than anything AI when it comes to challenges. This trend of wanting things locked down when it comes to possible player interactions is what will kill Eve.
Get one thing straight, Eve CAN NOT compete with WoW. Eve is a joke compared to WoW when it comes to WoW sorts of games. WoW is so rich in it's level of NPC provided content that Eve looks like some garage project in comparison.
So CCP shouldn't even try to compete in that category. What sets Eve apart is the very high level of player provided content. WoW is a joke compared to Eve in that category. Apples and oranges.
So, as players come from these other sorts of games, where they are used to being buffered from other players efforts to interact with them, they are often shocked that other players are able to "grief" them. And again, the thinking is off imo. The term "grief" or "griefing" very rarely is applicable to Eve.
It's competition and that's it. You play smart or you lose out. You are careful about things or you get taken advantage of. That's the nature of Eve and is, at it's core, what attracted me and many others to this game in the first place.
"Fixing" it should be very carefully considered, not a knee-jerk reaction. This continueing trend of chipping away at the possible ways players can interact is slowly moving Eve towards the WoW category where it simply does not belong.
Of course things like the lag induced trading scam should be fixed. But the more subtle things, like this one... it's very debateable whether or not that should be "fixed".
Very often it is not the game that needs to change, it's the way players think and react to in-game challenges that needs changing.
Eve lives and breathes on player interactions. Don't be so hasty in limiting that.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 28/06/2007 09:29:03
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Hello all,
A member of my corp resently did some business with a person by the name of Elora Narst. The deal was 62 mil. for two myrmidons which Elora put into a freeform contract.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/New_Bitmap_Image(1).bmp
When it was all said and done my corp mate was out 62 mil. with no myrmidons to show for it. Any ideas of what happened? Was this some sort of exploit?
Also this person has a 1 mil. cspa charge
Considering who is in your corp chat, i find it ironic that you got scammed.
Hint : check the history of rockerguy. Or read this. :)
I know he claims it was sold, but i wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.06.28 09:41:00 -
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Ok fristly NEVER accept freeform. Secondly NEVER EVER accept freeforms that say
Quote: Myrmidon x2 (Item Exchange) (Freeform)
That just shouts scam... personally i'm amazed that there are still people who accep freeforms... some scammer wanted to rip me off when the contract system was totally new but luckely i looked at the title and saw "(Item Exchange) (Freeform)" and that made me question the integrity of the seller.
well i'm sorry for your corpmate for loosing the 60 mil... but on the other hand he's learnt not to trust ppl in eve and that lesson is worth 60 mil any day.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:09:00 -
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u guys have been all over the help channels today and other public channels u got scammed its the end of it. Move on make a corp mail dont fall for it again
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BleuJoJo
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea stuff
1. Learn to compress bitmap files before uploading them, unless it's your own server. Bandwidth on the internet isn't infinite and isn't free.
2. Learn to read. As said by other people, the contract clearly states "Reward: (None). Collateral: 62m". And just below that it also says "Description by Issuer". What follows is clearly not the actual item, but just a description. Or maybe CCP should also remove the description line from the Item Exchange/Auction contracts, because you know, people could write "RAVEN STATE ISSUE" there and sell you a bantam instead?
3. Because of people like you who can't be bothered to pay attention, the Freeform contracts already got nerfed unnecessarily. And now you want to remove them altogether? Just because you don't think there are legitimate uses, doesn't mean there aren't any. I'll give you two examples:
a) I want to buy a 90-days GTC for less than the ridiculous 500m ISK some people are demanding, but I don't want to stare at the forums for hours until I find one that's cheap enough for me. So instead, I'm willing to pay a newbie to watch the forums for me - with the new secure method, this is very easy to do - he doesn't have to pay any money, just give my name as recipient and that's it.
Last time I did this (3 months ago), I had to explain everything in detail in the noob corp chat and as you know, these chats tend to get very crowded, so you can't really write a few lines of text without getting interrupted by half a dozen people. In any case, I found a willing newbie after 20 minutes and promised him 10m ISK if he found me a GTC for 300m (they were cheaper back then). Just 3 hours later he convoed me and said he found one. So in the end, I got a cheap GTC for just 20 minutes of work, and the guy got easy 10m.
If the freeform contracts weren't nerfed, I could have made one, with 0 collateral, 10m reward and the whole explanation written in the "Description by Issuer" field, for just a few minutes of work. Obviously the contractee wouldn't have any assurances that I'd keep my end of the bargain, but then again, he wouldn't lose anything but some time spent on the forums, while doing AFK mining or warping to/from a mission, or whatever.
b) I'll be needing some minerals sometime soon, on a regular basis. I could put buy orders, or buy from existing sell orders, or find a mining corp or a solo miner, who is willing to mine for me. For the latter option, I'd have to either spam the various ingame channels, each of which are only watched by limited number of players, or make a WTB post on the forums.
But as the amount I'll be needing will be quite small, it's very possible that the potential mining partners wouldn't even be watching the forums, or do so only rarely. Or I could just write a freeform contract, with 0 reward and 0 collateral, formatted as an advertisement of sorts, that I'm looking for a miner. Oh wait, I can't do that, because freeform contracts got nerfed because of *cough* certain people (NOT the scammers).
There are other uses for these contracts, but I'll leave it to you to find them.
Sorry for using somewhat harsh words, but sometimes it gets annoying when perfectly fine features get nerfed because of player mistakes.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:23:00 -
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Wow someone fell for a freeform scam? Props to the scammer. To the one who got scammed...Back to the Nub corp with you!
Originally by: Gerrard Lea Give me a reason why they should keep freeform or shut up! All the other things have reasons for being in the game. Give me a reason why freeform is and should be in the game.
Sure..two reasons. SCAMMING IS ALLOWED BY CCP YOU ARE NOT A DEV (Thank god for that).
Ok hows this for things that have no reason for being in the game....You. Personal attack? Yeh, but i feel this guy needs a serious wake up call. Hi this is eve. This is not like most other MMO's. You actually need a fairly decent amount of COMMON SENSE (The thing that would have protect YOU from the scam), a good amount of paranoia, and some genuine intellect to succeed in.
See those rich folks? Why are they rich...they found a way. People then cry for nerfing of that way just because they dont A)Understand it B)Know how to do it.
People like you need to seriously be quite with this stuff. You ("my friend"..i love stories like that) got scammed. LEARN from it. Dont let it happen again.
Why again do i feel like im teaching first grade while writing this? Oh..right...
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
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Kornel
Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:29:00 -
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62M for 2 myrmidons is not VERY low?
Usualy the victum of scammers become people who want the miracle...
Greed is a best friend of scammer.
Keep head cool, and you will be protected from being scammed.
So, my personal point of view - if you was scammed - you deserve it! Try to learn... Empire High Sec research service! |
Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:35:00 -
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You fail for posting a bmp. Learn to use the internet. Clever scam, but id stay away from freeform contracts, its generally known they are scam-bait.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:39:00 -
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Theres a few things that kill in eve (By kill i mean your pod or your wallet)
Ignorance Luck Comfort Trust
-If you are ignorant of the dangers (IE: This situation) then the dangers are that much more dangerous. (Same word, 3 times in once sentence...wow). -Luck..sometimes you just get unlucky, happens to everyone. Murphy loves our rear-ends equally. -Get to comfortable in habits and you are so gonna die. Complacent might be a better way of phrasing it. Stay on your toes..paranoia is your friend. Cause in eve..chances are..they ARE out to get you. -Careful with whom you bestow trust. You trusted this "miracle deal" and well....didnt check it out (paranoia ftw). And the result? Wallet Death.
This has been a lesson in how not to be caught bent over with your pants around your ankles and bubba behind ya smiling....Enjoy.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:05:00 -
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Don't freeform contracts with no reward nowadays even warn you that you get nothing from accepting it?
Sorry, failed.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:12:00 -
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PvP in eve takes place in many levels. You got pwned on the market level.
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard Lea Your post has no point go troll else where!
It's a part of the game and a reason to play EVE.
You know, in most games people frown on scammers and it might actually be a bannable offense. In EVE it is however a part of the dark side/anarchy that is EVE.
I started this game by the fun of having a possibility to leech on others.. stole ore from miners and sold bookmars that led to other places than I said they did. Yes I stole and I scammed. Didn't make much money but my character could do that instantly and I didn't need skills to drive ships etc. It was fun, for me.
No I don't do that anymore, that character is since long gone and I play 2 combat pilots and make my own money without luring others off it..
..but new players in EVE need to learn they can and will get scammed. They can and will lose ships. They can and will have stuff stolen from them when ratting/mining.
This is not a friendly environment. Tho, with a couple of friends, you can make it friendly and overcome the thugs. But the risks should be there. It's the very foundation of what makes this game different from others.
Sad to hear about your mates loss but suck it up and learn from it. Good luck.
- Revelation II - "WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED" |
Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:22:00 -
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Why can't people admit they were idiots instead of wanting the entire system changed?
I remember the first time I got scammed. I was upset but instead of whining I learn t from it and it's has never happened since.
Good bit of advice in eve is if it looks to good to be true it is.
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Wokrred
ZiTek
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:57:00 -
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Wardec the guy and his corp or just nail him when he's got a load of goodies in a hauler. Ya there is a sec hit but it will be your own justice. Hell if BOB can lost a freighter full of T2 in highsec awhile back and didn't cry this loudly.
Learn from it, take revenge in your own hands or hire a merc to do it for you... just don't whine about it please.
Originally by: Hennry Fromer
My theory is My Ship and drones have been out huffing paint together - would explain a few actions taken by both.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:20:00 -
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Freeform contracts (and loan contracts too for that matter) are for in-corp usage mainly or for people you trust. It's an ingame feature to allow people to more easily keep track of non-enforceable deals. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
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