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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:03:00 -
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Doesnt it **** u off when u live out in 0.0, in your own outpost and some geek noob goes and buys most the market remotely from a few jumps out and sells it for double the price.
We own the station, we own the services, we set standings so why the hell should we put up with this?
You should not be able to remote buy things off market without standings with the station owners, its annoying and anyone with their own station will agree. I see it as a form of greifing and its a **** take basically.
CCP FIX IT.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:04:00 -
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please
<3 ccp
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Kartikeya
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:06:00 -
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I have always found it odd that a friendly station would alow a hostile to do buisness there remotely.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:09:00 -
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My only question would be, did the seller's standings match yours, in that did he/she/they consider that person a hostile as well?
Otherwise I'd definitely consider it a pretty glaring oversight.
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Kyrall
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:13:00 -
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On the other hand, you (or a friend) have just made lots of money from an enemy, and they didn't even get anything usable from it! Make more stuff and keep undercutting them.
If it's stuff that you can't keep making loads of, then set up a "market" mailing list, which only your friends can access and only sell these items via that, using contracts.
Still, it is annoying that you need workarounds, I'll give you that...
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Thews Mortaza
Minmatar Xila Inferno Production
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Mezcal its annoying and anyone with their own station will agree.
I'm sure all dozen of you will write CCP a very stern letter if something isn't done!
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Thews Mortaza I'm sure all dozen of you will write CCP a very stern letter if something isn't done!
There will be gnashing of teeth no doubt. Oh yes.
Teeth will be gnashed.
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Reithan
Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:19:00 -
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Well, I don't see the person doing benefitting much if you just DON'T buy their stuff. Just be glad your stuff sold, and make more. If you just ignore their sell orders, no skin off your nose.
Of course, it's still a huge oversight, and if you DO successfully just ignore their sell orders, then those orders may continue to just build up to ridiculous proportions and cause more lag!
Yay!
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:19:00 -
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This has been going on since outposts came into the game. I dont think its a good thing, to be honest, but I had heard that it is fixed in test server. Then again, I have not been on the test server in a while so I cannot comment.
Anyway, such traders can be beaten at their own game - outproduce and outstock the market. Once all his capital has been tied up, he will be left with a inventory he cannot sell and will be forced to undercut you. --
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Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron This has been going on since outposts came into the game. I dont think its a good thing, to be honest, but I had heard that it is fixed in test server. Then again, I have not been on the test server in a while so I cannot comment.
Anyway, such traders can be beaten at their own game - outproduce and outstock the market. Once all his capital has been tied up, he will be left with a inventory he cannot sell and will be forced to undercut you.
The point is not to make isk, but to destroy the market. If I buy all the 1 MN MWD's in a station 2-3 carrier jumps into 0.0, I effectivly prevent any intercepters from being able to be replaced. Same thing with guns, ect.
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Kartikeya
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Lord WarATron This has been going on since outposts came into the game. I dont think its a good thing, to be honest, but I had heard that it is fixed in test server. Then again, I have not been on the test server in a while so I cannot comment.
Anyway, such traders can be beaten at their own game - outproduce and outstock the market. Once all his capital has been tied up, he will be left with a inventory he cannot sell and will be forced to undercut you.
The point is not to make isk, but to destroy the market. If I buy all the 1 MN MWD's in a station 2-3 carrier jumps into 0.0, I effectivly prevent any intercepters from being able to be replaced. Same thing with guns, ect.
People always like to make nice lil real world examples so here I go.
If the USA went to war with Canada we would not let them buy are American made tanks and then sell them back to us at a higher cost.
And yes there are work arounds. Just like there are work arounds to almost all game oversights and exploits that doesnt mean they should be ignored.
I think removing this would also gives spies something else to do. You would have to be carefull who your allies are because they could mess up your econemy if you dont pay atention.
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Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited Hammer Time.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 28/06/2007 15:17:57
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Lord WarATron This has been going on since outposts came into the game. I dont think its a good thing, to be honest, but I had heard that it is fixed in test server. Then again, I have not been on the test server in a while so I cannot comment.
Anyway, such traders can be beaten at their own game - outproduce and outstock the market. Once all his capital has been tied up, he will be left with a inventory he cannot sell and will be forced to undercut you.
The point is not to make isk, but to destroy the market. If I buy all the 1 MN MWD's in a station 2-3 carrier jumps into 0.0, I effectivly prevent any intercepters from being able to be replaced. Same thing with guns, ect.
Give me a system name, and I will arrange for a stream of carrier runs to restock your outpost. Until the buyer runs out of cash.
I should make a tidy profit from that. Market sponges ftw (NPC commodities anyone?). - Got grief?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:18:00 -
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Contracts, anyone?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:18:00 -
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I thought it's already impossible to access the market remotely without the required docking rights ? Or was that only on SiSi ? Or was that impossible to acces markets remotely for outposts, period ?
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Elegant Rapture
Rapture INC
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:34:00 -
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We really need to be able to have a market mechanism where you can restrict who you trade with using filters. I don't like it that you only find out "after" the deal is done who you were trading with.
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Reithan
Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:38:00 -
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I think a feature like that should be available to ALL players, not just corps.
For instance, I do more commerce than a lot of small corps, and I'd love to be able to overcharge or deny commerce to people who I have bad standings towards, or be able to give my friends a discount through good standings, or even provide certin friends-only orders through standings.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Elegant Rapture We really need to be able to have a market mechanism where you can restrict who you trade with using filters. I don't like it that you only find out "after" the deal is done who you were trading with.
Actually, I'd be more in favor of standings-based (personal, corp, alliance, lowest non-zero one applying) sales prices. This would mean you could set a certain price for all those with positive standings, but those with neutral/negative would pay a lot more to buy (so, making it completely impractical to resell for any remotely decent profit, actually being at a loss even at "0.0" prices).
P.S. Cute sig, I see you took my eve-mail advice. Still needs a lot of polishing though, way too pixelated.
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Demoneque Intentions
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:41:00 -
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If you can't dock at the hostile station that purchased your goods, what's it matter if they're reselling it for stupid prices. Your goods are unrecoverable and you still made your intended profit. However, your corp/alliance mates get to suffer due to not getting your discount prices. I think it is just a gray area. Fortunately for me, IRON are our allies, so they can continue to buy up all I sell without any problems! :-P
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Der Ewige
Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:29:00 -
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Thought this change was already implemented. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=532020&page=1
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:01:00 -
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If you're not willing to sell at that price, then don't put up the goods at that price. Seriously. If you put up 1,000 of something at 50% markup over your build cost, and someone comes along and buys it, you've made the same amount of isk as you would have if alliancemates had bought it. As ever, keep a tactical stash on hand and off the market--corp hangars work well for that. Beyond that, keep feeding the market sponge. Eventually, he'll give up and you'll be that much richer.
Coincidentally, blocking market access based on standings would pretty much render ZERO. incapable of operating without explicit permission from the outpost owners. And that'd be a pain in the ass, to say the least.
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Sabian Treehugger
Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:18:00 -
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If you can't dock you can't trade, that should be the norm.
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Rhedea
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kartikeya
People always like to make nice lil real world examples so here I go.
If the USA went to war with Canada we would not let them buy are American made tanks and then sell them back to us at a higher cost.
Ya you would and yes we would plus the oil to run them, then we would wait for your surrender donkeys to cut n run. wake up loser we own half your country already Linkage |
Karanth
Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:34:00 -
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Then that means that in regions with more than one outpost, a large amount of the market is cut off. Either that, or you have to dock somewhere to do the same trick. Removing longrange trade skills is a ridiculous 'fix' for this. Internal markets help, but if someone has the ISK to buy out your entire market, then, either they have a large alliance backing them, or they are loaded and bored. If you have enough power to hold an outpost, a minor thing like that shouldn't be an issue, since any self-respecting alliance should be able to supply itself, at least short-term, till things cna be shipped up.
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BleuJoJo
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet If you're not willing to sell at that price, then don't put up the goods at that price. Seriously. If you put up 1,000 of something at 50% markup over your build cost, and someone comes along and buys it, you've made the same amount of isk as you would have if alliancemates had bought it. As ever, keep a tactical stash on hand and off the market--corp hangars work well for that. Beyond that, keep feeding the market sponge. Eventually, he'll give up and you'll be that much richer.
Word.
Too bad most people prefer to whine than think.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.29 10:35:00 -
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Simply build more of the stuff.
You only win at market pvp if someone buys your stuff.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 10:38:00 -
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People still needs to be able to sell stuff even without standings. So they can sell off the stuff they couldn't move out in time if/when they lose the station.
But buying is another matter considering they can't pick it up anyway. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet If you're not willing to sell at that price, then don't put up the goods at that price. Seriously. If you put up 1,000 of something at 50% markup over your build cost, and someone comes along and buys it, you've made the same amount of isk as you would have if alliancemates had bought it. As ever, keep a tactical stash on hand and off the market--corp hangars work well for that. Beyond that, keep feeding the market sponge. Eventually, he'll give up and you'll be that much richer.
Coincidentally, blocking market access based on standings would pretty much render ZERO. incapable of operating without explicit permission from the outpost owners. And that'd be a pain in the ass, to say the least.
MP
You're not thinking like an alliance though. Its not really about making money.
Lets say that Alliance A is invaded by Alliance B. Just before B jumps in with their invasion force, they send in a market alt and buy up all the warp jammers and all the warp bubbles. Alliance A now has only the handful of warp jammers that they happened to not have on the market at the time.
Alliance A is now incapable of building any new tacklers. And without tacklers, you can't win a fleet fight. Victory B!
Bearing in mind that you can control who can dock, and you can control who (once docked) has access to all the station services, it doesn't really make any sense that a station administrator would let a war-dec'd enemy buy stuff off the market... --------
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Auron Shadowbane
Teeth Of The Hydra R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.29 10:59:00 -
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I like the idea of beeing able to set prices depending on standings. might be a good idea to open up the "market tax" for 0.0 station owners.
so for isntance you could tax hostiles 100%, neutrals 50%, allies 5% and alliance guys 0%.
in addition everyone would be able to set "price mutators" depending on thier own standings list.
like: blue: *0.95, alliance: *0.95, corp *0.90, neutral *1, hostile *1.5
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kartikeya
If the USA went to war with Canada we would not let them buy are American made tanks and then sell them back to us at a higher cost.
Actually.... the USA sold weapons to Iraq pre storm, post storm, pre freedom, and now the usa is helping build up the military in iraq....
also, many of the electronics that american military uses comes from china, but some has been stopped recently as it's secret technology and they dont want china to keep making it.....
But as far as the game goes it shouldnt be allowed... it would force all npc selling alts to join a corp and people would complain about that. People would also complain that their new conquer'd station has no services, and no items on market.
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