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Cregi
Intergalactic Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:18:00 -
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Simple question, do you top dollar pc owners have the lag and bug issues that the average eve player seems to have these days? The average eve player has im sure the average pc sitting on there desk and i for one have one also, so please give us your info. Is it worth it for me to spend the real life isk and upgrade my pc? thanks Cregi...
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:29:00 -
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Yes, It's widely known that having a top of the range PC does almost nothing to increase EVE performance. I got higher FPS using my old radeon 9700 than i do with my new 8800. The EVE code is a horrible mess that causes countless bugs, crashes, unexplainable lag and unexplained load.
Yeah dude, we know the game is a piece of crap.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:35:00 -
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I only ever get severe lag when the entire cluster is coming down due to acts of god, acts of bob, or I suppose the devil since he's the only one left. Not that my machine is 'top dollar', but it's a balanced good quality machine.
I think it's mostly down to people's PCs. Though at the core the fault is with Eve, as I doubt all these people have these problems with all their games. -
You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I only ever get severe lag when the entire cluster is coming down due to acts of god, acts of bob, or I suppose the devil since he's the only one left. Not that my machine is 'top dollar', but it's a balanced good quality machine.
I think it's mostly down to people's PCs. Though at the core the fault is with Eve, as I doubt all these people have these problems with all their games.
Have you watched this video?
Are you still quite sure that most problems are with people's PCs after watching it?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Crumplecorn I only ever get severe lag when the entire cluster is coming down due to acts of god, acts of bob, or I suppose the devil since he's the only one left. Not that my machine is 'top dollar', but it's a balanced good quality machine.
I think it's mostly down to people's PCs. Though at the core the fault is with Eve, as I doubt all these people have these problems with all their games.
Have you watched this video?
Are you still quite sure that most problems are with people's PCs after watching it?
I didn't know the "average EVE player" took part in fleet battles... -
You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means |
Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Stahlregen Yes, It's widely known that having a top of the range PC does almost nothing to increase EVE performance. I got higher FPS using my old radeon 9700 than i do with my new 8800. The EVE code is a horrible mess that causes countless bugs, crashes, unexplainable lag and unexplained load.
Yeah dude, we know the game is a piece of crap.
Bah, you are just computer illiterate.
I notice huge differences in performance from my mid range machines to my top range ones.
So to answer the op, yes you need the gear to run the game. No getting around it.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.29 04:52:00 -
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The game will run fine on a 5th or 6th generation PC. Having a top of the line computer will not help you with network or node processing latency.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:15:00 -
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1.) Read the "reccommended" machine for this game. 2.) Sit back and laugh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engage brain before typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kumu Honua on 29/06/2007 05:20:56 I'm sure some of the "Lag" complaints are from AOL type users who have KaZaA and Bonzai buddy installed in their system.
However, there are enough complaints that not everyone is a mouthbreather, and maybe there's legitimate complaints =)
I personally have not seen any lag without the servers dying, or being able to trace the problems to my ISP/system.
However, I'm not in fleet combat either. The closest I get to that is running gatecamps.
System Specs for the OP to ponder:
AMD Athlon 2400+ Geforce 7200TC 1.5g ram.
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Fujiko MaXjolt
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stahlregen Yes, It's widely known that having a top of the range PC does almost nothing to increase EVE performance. I got higher FPS using my old radeon 9700 than i do with my new 8800. The EVE code is a horrible mess that causes countless bugs, crashes, unexplainable lag and unexplained load.
Yeah dude, we know the game is a piece of crap.
It's well-known that EVE virtually doesn't use your graphics-card - the REAL bottleneck is your CPU. So if you have the choice between upgrading your CPU or your graphics-card, go for the CPU for eve
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Robdon
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:23:00 -
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Hi,
I get quite a bit of lag, and I'm 100% sure that is not my PC.
Its the servers and/or bad coding, that causes lag, in my case.
Normally only in systems with 100+ in local. I've never been in Fleet battles.
My Internet connection is a 10MB/s direct fiber connection. (Not ADSL)
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional UK with SP2 Chassis: Alienware« Full-Tower Case - Space Black Chassis Upgrades: Alienware« Liquid Cooling with AlienIceÖ 2.0 Video Cooling System Power Supply: Alienware« 650 Watt ATX 2.0 Power Supply with Active PFC Motherboard: Alienware« nForceÖ4 SLIÖ Intel Edition Chipset Motherboard w/ Dual PCI Express x16 Processor: Intel« Pentium« D Processor Extreme Edition 965 w/ HT 3.73GHz 1066MHz FSB Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 x 1024MB Video Card: Dual 512MB PCI-Express x16 NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 7900 GTX - SLI Enabled Monitor: 32' Dell 3007WFP Max 2560x1600 Res. System Drive: Extreme Performance - RAID 0 - 300 GB Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s, 10,000 rpm w/ 32MB Cache (2 x 150GB) Optical Drive One: Premium 16x Dual Layer DVD¦R/W Recorder Optical Drive Two: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster« AudigyÖ 4 Network Card: Integrated High Performance Intel Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Some peoples problems could be with thier PC setup I'm sure, but there is still a problem on the CCP side.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster« AudigyÖ 4
This might not be the cause, but damn is that one crappy card. (The entire company and ESPECIALLY the Audigy series)
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.29 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon Hi,
I get quite a bit of lag, and I'm 100% sure that is not my PC.
Its the servers and/or bad coding, that causes lag, in my case.
Normally only in systems with 100+ in local. I've never been in Fleet battles.
My Internet connection is a 10MB/s direct fiber connection. (Not ADSL)
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional UK with SP2 Chassis: Alienware« Full-Tower Case - Space Black Chassis Upgrades: Alienware« Liquid Cooling with AlienIceÖ 2.0 Video Cooling System Power Supply: Alienware« 650 Watt ATX 2.0 Power Supply with Active PFC Motherboard: Alienware« nForceÖ4 SLIÖ Intel Edition Chipset Motherboard w/ Dual PCI Express x16 Processor: Intel« Pentium« D Processor Extreme Edition 965 w/ HT 3.73GHz 1066MHz FSB Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 x 1024MB Video Card: Dual 512MB PCI-Express x16 NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 7900 GTX - SLI Enabled Monitor: 32' Dell 3007WFP Max 2560x1600 Res. System Drive: Extreme Performance - RAID 0 - 300 GB Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s, 10,000 rpm w/ 32MB Cache (2 x 150GB) Optical Drive One: Premium 16x Dual Layer DVD¦R/W Recorder Optical Drive Two: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster« AudigyÖ 4 Network Card: Integrated High Performance Intel Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Some peoples problems could be with thier PC setup I'm sure, but there is still a problem on the CCP side.
DUDE.... christmas....
hook me up with yer rig rofl rofl rofl
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Zeonos
Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.29 07:38:00 -
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intel e6600 Duel core EVGA Fabric overclocked geforce 320mb 8800 2gb corsiar 800MHz ram.
problems with lag and desync Check!
Image gallery with some of the new ship models.
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zibelthurdos
Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.29 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon Hi,
Chassis: Alienware« Full-Tower Case - Space Black
Quote:
that's the problem right there
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:13:00 -
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Hi,
If I get lag, I don't notice it, because of my computer.
It's my computer that can barely keep up, but in fact, my computer bows to all other computers out there.
I get lag when there are more than 2 people firing at me.
I wardrive an internet connection off my neighbor right now, because I refuse to pay for Comcast and am patiently waiting for Verizon to lay out FIOS in my area (next couple months).
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« XP Home w/SP2 Chassis: Toshiba Satellite 1005-S157 Chassis Upgrades: Band stickers Power Supply: Built-in 95W Power supply Motherboard: Intel« Motherboard for Toshiba 1005-S157 Processor: Intel« Celeron« 1.06Ghz Memory: 512MB PC-133 SDRAM Video Card: Intel« 830MG Chipset Monitor: 14.1" TFT active-matrix LCD Panel 1024x768 System Drive: Western Digital 20.0GB 5400RPM Hard Drive Optical Drive One: Internal Toshiba CD-DVD 32x Drive Optical Drive Two: External Memorax Dual-Format DVD Recorder Sound Card: Crystal CS4299-A Codec Chip Network Card: None installed :(
Some people's problems could be their setup I'm certain, but mine really takes the cake.
Playing EVE at 4 FPS since 2006 :) _________________ Burn. |
Dionisius
Gallente Vindictive Behavior THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cregi Simple question, do you top dollar pc owners have the lag and bug issues that the average eve player seems to have these days? The average eve player has im sure the average pc sitting on there desk and i for one have one also, so please give us your info. Is it worth it for me to spend the real life isk and upgrade my pc? thanks Cregi...
No, as in, no i don't suffer from that many bug issues and no i don't suffer from that many lad/ disconnect issues.
Just the regular ones post patch days or when a node goes screwy.
Other than that all is green love and peace in my accounts. _______________________
Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. |
Dionisius
Gallente Vindictive Behavior THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Robdon Hi,
I get quite a bit of lag, and I'm 100% sure that is not my PC.
Its the servers and/or bad coding, that causes lag, in my case.
Normally only in systems with 100+ in local. I've never been in Fleet battles.
My Internet connection is a 10MB/s direct fiber connection. (Not ADSL)
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional UK with SP2 Chassis: Alienware« Full-Tower Case - Space Black Chassis Upgrades: Alienware« Liquid Cooling with AlienIceÖ 2.0 Video Cooling System Power Supply: Alienware« 650 Watt ATX 2.0 Power Supply with Active PFC Motherboard: Alienware« nForceÖ4 SLIÖ Intel Edition Chipset Motherboard w/ Dual PCI Express x16 Processor: Intel« Pentium« D Processor Extreme Edition 965 w/ HT 3.73GHz 1066MHz FSB Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 x 1024MB Video Card: Dual 512MB PCI-Express x16 NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 7900 GTX - SLI Enabled Monitor: 32' Dell 3007WFP Max 2560x1600 Res. System Drive: Extreme Performance - RAID 0 - 300 GB Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s, 10,000 rpm w/ 32MB Cache (2 x 150GB) Optical Drive One: Premium 16x Dual Layer DVD¦R/W Recorder Optical Drive Two: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster« AudigyÖ 4 Network Card: Integrated High Performance Intel Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Some peoples problems could be with thier PC setup I'm sure, but there is still a problem on the CCP side.
DUDE.... christmas....
hook me up with yer rig rofl rofl rofl
Meh.... weak. Gimme an IBM mainframme. _______________________
Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. |
Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:31:00 -
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Odlly enough, I have this game running on four different machines (My laptop, both my parents' machines, and my own rig).
The laptop only just barely squeaks in over the minimum system requirements line. The two parental PCs could be described as "average", and my own private machine's a monster.
The only difference I have noticed between the four is the frame rate.
Curiously, I don't get any of these bugs and crashes everyone keeps talking about. Not on any of them.
I have noticed no difference whatsoever in the latency I experience. The lag's the same on the Black Beast as it is on Notebook Jimmie, not to mention Dad-tron 2004 and Mum-o-matic 2005.
Why?
BECAUSE SERVER LATENCY IS NOT A PRODUCT OF HOW POWERFUL YOUR PC IS!
Seriously, all your PC's power does is affect how well the machine renders the game. how much information my machines are capable of getting from the EVE servers is a function of TWO things:
1: How much data the internet connection the PC's connected to is capable of carrying. 2: How much the EVE servers can send my way.
I experience slightly less lag at my own house than when I'm round at my parents', because I've paid for a higher-bandwidth connection. That's the only reason. ***
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/06/2007 08:35:18 Things that cause lag/problems(slow fps etc):
CCP - yes ofcourse, when people go all bonkers, get 500 ships in same battle or jam jita with 1500 ships and complain how they want jita fixed). Or when there's a problem with servers or maybe a local powerout. Or the computers are having a bad bad day.
Your computer - Programs running, how your computer is set up, fraps, msn, bonzai buddy(actually almost fell of his chair on seeing that). Basicly ALL processes on your task manager contribute to your laggy day in EVE. Harware is rarely relevant, though some graphics cards handle EVE better, some doom, all so tricky with computers. Also the CPU upgrade isn't a bad idea.
London - Where some of the servers are(if i remember correctly). Another ause of humane, inhumane, hamster problem.
Your ISP - What kinda line you got? Complaining about disconnects and lag when your internet service provider actually causes the drop outs and you have a 1 meg line.
Then there are the acts of gods, lady luck hating you, Dark Shikari using the worlds net supply to download naughty stuff and all the usual suspects.
That should very much clear it up.
NOW, i've flwon through Jita and visited 4-4 on several occasions on sunday peek time. Was there last sunday when the 35(37?)k limit was broken. FPS rarely dropped to any serious level, got in and out fine.
Never blackscreened, never lost a ship to lag, never lagged out period.
I have however dropped con when my isp had problems(flashy lights on modem went piuuuu...blip) and when my computer, bless her heart, is being a total and utter b...lady
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
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Feenix Matsumi
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:48:00 -
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I recently upgraded from a 2Ghz Pentium 4 (with 256mb nVidia card) to an 3ghz 8-core Mac (with 7300 256mb) running Bootcamp (XP Pro SP2), the speed increase in Eve is phenomenal - two clients in window mode running at 96fps, no graphics lag now - I got a lot with my earlier PC, I think you need a dual core at the least to run Eve well, especially considering the processor's doing all the graphics work.
Still get lag in game, 20 seconds to reload missiles or drones not returning, but not so often. At last I can consider PvPeeing :)
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Le Bon
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.29 09:38:00 -
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Its an EVE Problem, you know its your problem if your screen freezes completely or your FPS drops so low you cant do anything.
You know its an eve problem when you can still freely move your screen about.
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The Mantra
Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.06.29 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cregi Simple question, do you top dollar pc owners have the lag and bug issues that the average eve player seems to have these days? The average eve player has im sure the average pc sitting on there desk and i for one have one also, so please give us your info. Is it worth it for me to spend the real life isk and upgrade my pc? thanks Cregi...
EVE is an MMO, and therefore will lag with enough server load no matter your PC spec (yes, huge generalisation, but nevertheless...)
However, extra bits for your PC can't hurt and will probably improve EVE performance (depending on your current system spec and what you plan to upgrade to of course).
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Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon My Internet connection is a 10MB/s direct fiber connection. (Not ADSL)
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional UK with SP2 Chassis: Alienware« Full-Tower Case - Space Black Chassis Upgrades: Alienware« Liquid Cooling with AlienIceÖ 2.0 Video Cooling System Power Supply: Alienware« 650 Watt ATX 2.0 Power Supply with Active PFC Motherboard: Alienware« nForceÖ4 SLIÖ Intel Edition Chipset Motherboard w/ Dual PCI Express x16 Processor: Intel« Pentium« D Processor Extreme Edition 965 w/ HT 3.73GHz 1066MHz FSB Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 x 1024MB Video Card: Dual 512MB PCI-Express x16 NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 7900 GTX - SLI Enabled Monitor: 32' Dell 3007WFP Max 2560x1600 Res. System Drive: Extreme Performance - RAID 0 - 300 GB Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s, 10,000 rpm w/ 32MB Cache (2 x 150GB) Optical Drive One: Premium 16x Dual Layer DVD¦R/W Recorder Optical Drive Two: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster« AudigyÖ 4 Network Card: Integrated High Performance Intel Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Show off! You wont be so smug when I pour spagetti bolognese on your motherboard! __ "You are not entirely safeà but I can safely say that EVE is going to hurt you until you leave or learn. The world will persist without you." -Tovarishch |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:05:00 -
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It's most definatley not on our end of the connection.
I'm running a Quad SLI machine with Quad core extreme chip and Eve lags like a bastard sometimes.
I'm also on an uncapped DSL comnnection, so I can't really see bandwidth being a problem at my end.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:10:00 -
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I can run 3 accounts at the same time in any eyecandy mindpopping deadspace plex without an issue, drop to 1 account., all effects off, no flashing on channels, warp into a 60 fleet battle etc etc etc and kerplowie! everything locks up.
Managed to take part in an 80+ v RISE the other night with only minor ish lag, which tbh was better than the same size battle a few nights earlier v BoB when I landed in grid, hit my MWD, and by the time I had an update I managed to end up 700km from the gate.
:(
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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TribalSielu
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:18:00 -
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i have issues here myself and my connection and rig are very good
Operating System: Microsoft« Windows« Vista Ultimate Power Supply: OCZ Modular 1000w Motherboard: MSI NVIDIA« nForce 590 SLI K9N Diamond Processor: AMD Athon 64 X2 6000 Memory: 6GB Dual Channel DDR2 800 - 2 x 2048MB 2 x 1024MB Video Card: 2X NX7600GT Diamond Plus - SLI Enabled Sound: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Internet: 16000/786 (16mb Down) (768kb upload)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.29 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Crumplecorn I only ever get severe lag when the entire cluster is coming down due to acts of god, acts of bob, or I suppose the devil since he's the only one left. Not that my machine is 'top dollar', but it's a balanced good quality machine.
I think it's mostly down to people's PCs. Though at the core the fault is with Eve, as I doubt all these people have these problems with all their games.
Have you watched this video?
Are you still quite sure that most problems are with people's PCs after watching it?
I didn't know the "average EVE player" took part in fleet battles...
You never even used the phrase "average EVE player" in your post.
And yes, the average EVE player probably does take part in fleet battles, considering over half of EVE is in a 0.0 alliance.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.29 16:53:00 -
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My old system:
P4 3.4ghz 2 gig of ram Nvida gto 6800 crappy del mobo
New system:
Dual core 2.4 ghz 4 gig of corsair dominator ram 8800 GTX Asus striker extreme mobo.
My new system will give me 50-70 fps with a fleet at a pos, a few 100 fighters and drones doesn't cause me an issue, and in several fleet battles where people were complaining about lag being a major factor I had only a bit of mod lag. Over all this made a big difference for me, especially on warp ins as the grid will load in only a few seconds. This is where the lag is just due to the system and not the server.
Then you get server side issues. Slide shows fighting in agil, stuck at the loading screen for several minutes, being stuck at a jump gate waiting for the system to load, multi-minute mod lag, the overview not updating, that sort of thing.
Based on my observations I'd guess that 60% of my previous 'lag' was due to my machine just choking, and that other 40% is still there with that somewhat random fleet battle lag. I've had 200+ fights where lag was almost non-existent, and others in the same system where its unplayable. This is the stuff CCP needs to figure out as they are pushing the game more and more into blobs.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.29 17:11:00 -
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I got my p4 2.4 Ghz machine with what is today a mid ranged video card and eve doesn't lag unless there's like 20 players shooting at eachother with drones and stuff.
Of course that video DS linked says it all. The guy's machine is running fine but... That's not helping him much.
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