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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:45:00 -
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i think it's worth ccp investigating behind the scenes. if they are just ratting for their own isk generation then they're not doing anything wrong, as much as a dislike IAC.
if that isk is in any way connected to $ for isk sales then i say get a big arse hammer and bring it down..
People argue when their personal views are at odds
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: sartorii IAC does not knowingly support ISK Selling or any other violations of the EULA.
See below:
Quote: 2007.06.14 05:27 Sir, chinese sweatshops put rice on tables and roofs over heads !
Also there is nothing funnier than having people pay you a billion a week to npc in delve.
IAC leadership doesnt care.
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: sartorii
and where exactly has anyone established that anyone is selling isk? or why IAC is responsible for any member or corp who personally violates the EULA?
Not established. Baseless.
pretty damn accurate.
There's a bit of evidence actually. I could careless if I sound bias too, there's a reason why bias exists as well and it's because it's usually correct which is why the bias profile was made in the first place.
Let's see:
-The corp has an absolutely horrendous kill/death ratio against their favor.
-The corp's favourite ship and pretty much only major loss is Ravens.
-A lot of them have gibberish names.
-They deal in trading absolutely ridiculous priced contracts. ( Nearly 1 bill for named Xlarge boosters, riiiiight)
- If you message one of them in game they couldn't speak much english to save their life. (Go ahead and try, even just to say hi to one of your fellow alliance mates.)
What's interesting most is that as much as some people pretend like it's ok, people in the same alliance seem to also not care as if ISK sellers was not something to take heed of. What's more is how quick you'd try and deflect everything put on you and try and act as if nothing suspicious is happening. Don't try and play the 'they're not the only ones doing it!' card either because it's no solid excuse anywhere you go.
The more you defend this case the worse you look. If you think it's all so 'unfounded' why don't you disprove some of the evidence brought forth? Or maybe you'd just like to deflect everything and carry on as if the people playing Eve are all blind, aside yourself of course, you're obviously on the ball. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =( |
Easylife
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:48:00 -
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I have two (possibly very stupid) questions to ask:
How can someone in the alliance check the whole memberlist of a corp? To the best of my knowledge thats not possible?
Lets say that these people are isk farmers? can't you just report them, and ccp will investigate? |
n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:49:00 -
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voogru, seriously stop being a whiney fool, you sound like a stuck record. Convo me and I'll send you a list (which is only all the pilots that have been killed).
I personally think they're a sweatshop but who am I to judge? I am also against their membership in IAC however it's a democracy and I do see the funny side to the whole arrangement.
CCP can do whatever they need to (and they should given how easy it might actually be) to stop these players doing whatever they are but it's not upto some single char being a vigilante and posting a huge whinge thread on EVE-O's forums. File a petition and get them all banned, let CCP be the judge.
ANY large alliance in EVE has Macro ISK farmers, it's a sad fact of EVE gaming.
Many of the IAC members that have posted in this thread have done so pretty foolishly.
In the end, this is all just a huge joke, a poke in the face for anyone's space who they rat in, CCP needs to fix the macro/farmer issue and IAC really DON'T care about the fate of the corp in question.
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sartorii
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:52:00 -
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again IAC will not take action on anything YOU have to say. You are no one and nothing to our alliance and so have no influence over any internal alliance issues.
much less on the flimsy 'evidence' you have provided so far.
I dont like this thread because you continually accuse IAC of having 'cheaters' as members. Continually imply we knowingly allow them to cheat, and that we are somehow responsible for them if they do cheat.
All are false accusations based on all available 'evidence' thus far. Nor is this forum the place to discuss clear EULA violations even were you to have actual evidence or wrong doing. But because IAC did not immediately open our doors and give you the information you requested to continue your personal crusade you come one here and attempt to 'shame' IAC into giving you access to Internal Alliance information/ or booting the 'offending corp' by making baseless accusations.
Neither will happen. Take your 'evidence' to CCP. IAC will cooperate fully with CCP if they request it. You are nothing, have nothing that qualifies as 'evidence'. All you have is suspicion and hatred.
You COULD take your suspicions to CCP nd work through the proper channels where they can be addressed but ofc then you would have to keep your hatred to yourself.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 00:52:53
Originally by: Easylife I have two (possibly very stupid) questions to ask:
How can someone in the alliance check the whole memberlist of a corp? To the best of my knowledge thats not possible?
Lets say that these people are isk farmers? can't you just report them, and ccp will investigate?
1. If you run an alliance, and your the alliance leader, you can go to the CEO of the corporation and ask for a list of members very easily.
2. I don't just report a name when I petition.
When I petition I usually put in links to pictures, suspect transactions, and other various pieces of valuable evidence for the GM's to go through so they have something to work with, if I had a member list I can do what I did to the CEO to all of the members and probably find other farmers that are outside the corporation that I could petition. It's a goldmine of information and you can occasionally find several other farming operations that arent related to beusrew.
Contract history is a absolute goldmine, it's too bad a lot of them are now using private contracts but the stupid ones still do public contracts, but after this post I'm sure there will be fewer farmers using public contracts.
To my luck though, I use other tools other than contract history.
Quote: I dont like this thread because you continually accuse IAC of having 'cheaters' as members. Continually imply we knowingly allow them to cheat, and that we are somehow responsible for them if they do cheat.
When did I say "IAC is a bunch of cheaters!!!!!111oneone"
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: n sx and IAC really DON'T care about the fate of the corp in question.
IAC knows and will feel the hammer of GM justice too. Think about it. Grim Faust pointed out much evidence that IAC is involved and so they are partially violating the EULA like the ISK farmers/seller/buyers. Get rid of them and IAC can safe its face and show that you do care about the whole issue. Would it be so wrong if you kick them out? In the end, its just ISK for you.
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:59:00 -
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A group of people are killing NPCs, and this warrants an "investigation" by one or more parties? What crime have they committed? Oh yes, RWA. Ratting While Asian.
Racial profiling makes me nauseous. This thread should come with a warning label, tbh. I thought we were beyond this, but apparently some people want to move us back to the 19th century.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 01:03:35 Oops. I replied to someone that I was supposed to be ignoring.
Sorry, I ignore 1 man corp alts. If you want me to talk to you or reply to you post with your main.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: n sx In the end, this is all just a huge joke, a poke in the face for anyone's space who they rat in, CCP needs to fix the macro/farmer issue and IAC really DON'T care about the fate of the corp in question.
it's a joke in poor taste if they are farmers selling isk for $$. it's condoning exploitation and violations of the EULA (in fact even getting PAID for it) at the expense of other players in the game.. enemies or not.
nevertheless, i won't judge until it's proven one way or another what they are actually doing with that isk. i'm sure the GMs will investigate since this matter seems to be a pretty big deal to more than a handful of folks.
better hope, for the sake of your alliance and the comments the leaders have made, that they are NOT selling isk for money.
People argue when their personal views are at odds
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: James 315 A group of people are killing NPCs, and this warrants an "investigation" by one or more parties? What crime have they committed? Oh yes, RWA. Ratting While Asian.
Racial profiling makes me nauseous. This thread should come with a warning label, tbh. I thought we were beyond this, but apparently some people want to move us back to the 19th century.
I never mentioned any race.
TT did however.
I suppose you started "investigating" a randomly selected group?
No, no racism here at all. None whatsoever.
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Gefex
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Easylife Lets say that these people are isk farmers? can't you just report them, and ccp will investigate?
I think that is indeed the point, but the mighty voogru, self appointed judge and jury would rather waggle fingers at people than play the game he is paying for.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: n sx and IAC really DON'T care about the fate of the corp in question.
IAC knows and will feel the hammer of GM justice too. Think about it. Grim Faust pointed out much evidence that IAC is involved and so they are partially violating the EULA like the ISK farmers/seller/buyers. Get rid of them and IAC can safe its face and show that you do care about the whole issue. Would it be so wrong if you kick them out? In the end, its just ISK for you.
A GM's going to spank IAC for the fact that corporation 'may' be ISK farming? Get a grip.
We can't prove it and the fact that they continue to exist (along with other suspected macro ratting corps) makes me think CCP can't or won't prove it themselves.
I'm not really going to post pages and pages of answers, cause I have said what had to be. I have addressed the original poster and this issue really requires no further clarification.
I personally have reported macro users for my entire existence in EVE. If I see them I petition it. Needless to say, many still play and I wonder how serious CCP are about resolving it.
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Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:13:00 -
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Yes, they are going to ban the entirety of IAC because of a couple people.
If that's the case then there shouldn't be any bias banning and every large alliance will need to be banned, as I am sure all of them have a couple (cept BoB of course ).
This is just a big whine from a bitter alt, imo. If you TRULY wanted to get rid of these supposed "ISK Farmer/Sellers" all you'd have to do is check some KB's and you'd have a list. Then you could petition it. Instead you come here and blast ALL OF IAC and accuse them of this non-sense. How the @#$% do you think most IAC are going to act? You are no one.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 01:12:29
Originally by: n sx I personally have reported macro users for my entire existence in EVE. If I see them I petition it. Needless to say, many still play and I wonder how serious CCP are about resolving it.
Because they arent macros.
Read this
Originally by: Gefex
Originally by: Easylife Lets say that these people are isk farmers? can't you just report them, and ccp will investigate?
I think that is indeed the point, but the mighty voogru, self appointed judge and jury would rather waggle fingers at people than play the game he is paying for.
I usually want more evidence before I waste the GM's time with a petition. I don't petition "hunches", IAC refused to help me.
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Mungad
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:15:00 -
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Who wants my stuff? _____________________________
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:30:00 -
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Nice one Voogru, keep on fighting the good fight .
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Gefex
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: voogru I usually want more evidence before I waste the GM's time with a petition. I don't petition "hunches", IAC refused to help me and I exhausted my other resources.
Some people have sent me some of their members, but I really need the full list.
So you don't want to waste the precious time of the people who are dedicated to combating this type of thing, and the last recourse, trial by media..
To quote some Monkey Dust, "everyone is innocent until speculated otherwise"
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Mia Archer
Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mungad Who wants my stuff?
Dibs
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gefex
Originally by: voogru I usually want more evidence before I waste the GM's time with a petition. I don't petition "hunches", IAC refused to help me and I exhausted my other resources.
Some people have sent me some of their members, but I really need the full list.
So you don't want to waste the precious time of the people who are dedicated to combating this type of thing, and the last recourse, trial by media..
To quote some Monkey Dust, "everyone is innocent until speculated otherwise"
Uh, anyone can petition anyone for farming ISK and selling it.
But when you give decent evidence it makes things go faster. I basically asked for IAC's help in collecting more evidence and they basically said "We don't care go away".
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sartorii
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: sartorii on 30/06/2007 01:40:10
Originally by: Grim Faust
Originally by: sartorii
Let's see:
-The corp has an absolutely horrendous kill/death ratio against their favor.
-The corp's favourite ship and pretty much only major loss is Ravens.
-A lot of them have gibberish names.
-They deal in trading absolutely ridiculous priced contracts. ( Nearly 1 bill for named Xlarge boosters, riiiiight)
- If you message one of them in game they couldn't speak much english to save their life. (Go ahead and try, even just to say hi to one of your fellow alliance mates.)
lets see so your "evidence" consists of
1. NPCers not PvPers NPC ship die every time to any semi competent PvPer.
2. they fly the BEST NPCing ship in the game. oh wait.. they are NPCer.. i guess they should fly Minmatar to make you feel better??
3. You cant parse their name to some nice western object (gee they might use an entirely different character set so all the names are 'gibberish' to them too)
4. they make bad business deals (the only thing that qualifies as 'suspicious' but it proved nothing of itself)
5. I have. its not alot of fun playing Cut and Paste thru web translators, and since they have nothing I want or need isnt a productive use of my playing time.. I dont talk much to half of IAC who DOES speak english either.. (just ask)
so lets see thus far we have evidence of..
non-english speaking NPCers who make bad business deals..
OMG get the torches!
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: sartorii so lets see thus far we have evidence of..
non-english speaking NPCers who make bad business deals..
OMG get the torches!
And continue to make bad business deals for their entire life which results in them never having any money.
I don't think there is a single player in EVE that is *that* dumb.
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Gefex
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: voogru I basically asked for IAC's help in collecting more evidence and they basically said "We don't care go away".
God forbid that the leader of a large alliance might have better things to do that to deal with your insignificant ranting.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 30/06/2007 01:52:12
Originally by: sartorii 1. NPCers not PvPers NPC ship die every time to any semi competent PvPer.
Normal NPCers take a break inbetween. These are online 23/7 AND ratting/missioning. Very good bot, account sharing or ppl that dont need sleep ever.
Originally by: sartorii 2. they fly the BEST NPCing ship in the game. oh wait.. they are NPCer.. i guess they should fly Minmatar to make you feel better??
They pay 1bil every week to you, make billions while ratting but cant afford a proper setup to rat....c¦mon.
Originally by: sartorii 3. You cant parse their name to some nice western object (gee they might use an entirely different character set so all the names are 'gibberish' to them too)
My english isnt that good too so I skip this one.
Originally by: sartorii 4. they make bad business deals (the only thing that qualifies as 'suspicious' but it proved nothing of itself)
Bad business with eachother while normal players would scream "scammer" after the 2nd time?
Originally by: sartorii 5. I have. its not alot of fun playing Cut and Paste thru web translators, and since they have nothing I want or need isnt a productive use of my playing time..
Exactly. Why have them in the alliance at all if nobody wants anything from them (apart from the 1bil a week)?
Originally by: sartorii non-english speaking NPCers who make bad business deals..
Believe it or not, I know some of those. The players voogru is after dont fit this description. (see 1. above)
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Mia Archer
Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 30/06/2007 01:52:12
Originally by: sartorii 1. NPCers not PvPers NPC ship die every time to any semi competent PvPer.
Normal NPCers take a break inbetween. These are online 23/7 AND ratting/missioning. Very good bot, account sharing or ppl that dont need sleep ever.
Originally by: sartorii 2. they fly the BEST NPCing ship in the game. oh wait.. they are NPCer.. i guess they should fly Minmatar to make you feel better??
They pay 1bil every week to you, make billions while ratting but cant afford a proper setup to rat....c¦mon.
Originally by: sartorii 3. You cant parse their name to some nice western object (gee they might use an entirely different character set so all the names are 'gibberish' to them too)
My english isnt that good too so I skip this one.
Originally by: sartorii 4. they make bad business deals (the only thing that qualifies as 'suspicious' but it proved nothing of itself)
Bad business with eachother while normal players would scream "scammer" after the 2nd time?
Originally by: sartorii 5. I have. its not alot of fun playing Cut and Paste thru web translators, and since they have nothing I want or need isnt a productive use of my playing time..
Exactly. Why have them in the alliance at all if nobody wants anything from them (apart from the 1bil a week)?
Originally by: sartorii non-english speaking NPCers who make bad business deals..
Believe it or not, I know some of those. The players voogru is after dont fit this description. (see 1. above)
None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:01:16
Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers
Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other with the same name but with a numbering sceme appended to each name, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return.
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sartorii
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers
Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return.
/me looks for the evidence in your statement
nope still more suspicion and hatred.
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.30 02:03:00 -
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Oh my, look at all the spies.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: sartorii
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers
Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return.
/me looks for the evidence in your statement
nope still more suspicion and hatred.
cmcice003 cmcice004
beusrew or whatever corp.
Look up:
cmcice001 cmcice002 cmcice003 cmcice004 cmcice005
Please tell me they are legitimate EVE players. Please please please please.
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