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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: moskowitz the benefits vets have are rediculous vs. a newer player.
Would you invest more than the character is worth? Answer that honestly before you try going with the "vets = bad people" bs. Experience is a mf'er no matter what the venue. You demonstrate your lack by marking it as something bad on us.
BTW, in case you were wondering, my heart cries for you in your new player bitterness place.
Really.
Honest.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: moskowitz the benefits vets have are rediculous vs. a newer player.
Would you invest more than the character is worth? Answer that honestly before you try going with the "vets = bad people" bs. Experience is a mf'er no matter what the venue. You demonstrate your lack by marking it as something bad on us.
BTW, in case you were wondering, my heart cries for you in your new player bitterness place.
Really.
Honest.
Do you honestly delude yourself into thinking that business in eve is hard to learn even with no background? Do you think it even takes days to grasp if you have a business background in the real world?
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao Do you honestly delude yourself into thinking that business in eve is hard to learn even with no background? Do you think it even takes days to grasp if you have a business background in the real world?
Not at all, wasn't my point.
But just because you talk smart, sound smart, and snipe smart does not make investing in you a smart choice.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
thetwilitehour
Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: thetwilitehour on 02/07/2007 03:13:56
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Do you honestly delude yourself into thinking that business in eve is hard to learn even with no background? Do you think it even takes days to grasp if you have a business background in the real world?
What kind of business experience can you possibly have when you expect people to give you assets that you must consider significant or you wouldn't need to get a loan in return for no collateral and no garuntee other than your word and your word that private investors who refuse to be named trusted you in the past, with no clear business plan nor any explanation why the 6% return, and regardless of all that you claim to have assets that exceed the capital you are seeking....
Do you run a lemonade stand with lemons and sugar bought by your parents and tap water that you don't even consider the cost of? That sounds like about the level of business plan you are proposing.
Step 1: get some Isk out of someone with one of my threads Step 2: ... Step 3: Profit!
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: DragonRiderTao Do you honestly delude yourself into thinking that business in eve is hard to learn even with no background? Do you think it even takes days to grasp if you have a business background in the real world?
Not at all, wasn't my point.
But just because you talk smart, sound smart, and snipe smart does not make investing in you a smart choice.
Right. If it were up to you no one would get investments except the 2+ years players. Remind me when eve came out?
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao Right. If it were up to you no one would get investments except the 2+ years players. Remind me when eve came out?
Why don't you try asking in equal measure to what you have suitably disclosed so far. Opps... that would be nothing as well. Guess we'll have to work on what you are actually worth at this point. I offer 1 hot isk. Do hear a counter offer? You've gone from being intentionally obtuse to slightly insulting to let's play misconstrue. You're isk raising ability diminishes faster and faster the more you post mate. Not that it was all that high to start with and considering you've only invested three months into this character... please continue. Deleting DragonRiderTao probably won't even hurt in the least. And any new player thinking that they deserve anything just because they are a new player needs to find another game. Eve is not for them at all. That's just a fact mate. Not an opinion.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: thetwilitehour
What kind of business experience can you possibly have when you expect people to give you assets that you must consider significant or you wouldn't need to get a loan in return for no collateral
I live in high security empire. If I had the same amount in assets as the isk I need then what would I benefit from trusting another player to hold them for me, risking theft, when I could just sell them? Quote: and no garuntee other than your word and your word that private investors who refuse to be named trusted you in the past, with no clear business plan nor any explanation why the 6% return,
How can you claim I have no business plan? Would you like me to tell you the systems I will be in and what I am trading? That would definitely be detailed enough. Why the 6% return? A return of 5% just would not suffice. Quote: and regardless of all that you claim to have assets that exceed the capital you are seeking....
I would like you to quote me where I have said that I own assets even near to 2 billion. If you can not do this then I request that you not shame yourself again.
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Do you run a lemonade stand with lemons and sugar bought by your parents and tap water that you don't even consider the cost of? That sounds like about the level of business plan you are proposing.
Step 1: get some Isk out of someone with one of my threads Step 2: ... Step 3: Profit!
You are so witty. Thank you for your contribution.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Why don't you try asking in equal measure to what you have suitably disclosed so far. Opps... that would be nothing as well. Guess we'll have to work on what you are actually worth at this point. I offer 1 hot isk.
Do hear a counter offer?
Hey. Do hear counter offer? Read that again.
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You've gone from being intentionally obtuse
It seems a lot of the people posting here have always been that way Quote: to slightly insulting to let's play misconstrue.
Right. The people claiming I have stated things I have not are really good at getting everything correct. You're isk raising ability diminishes faster and faster the more you post mate. Not that it was all that high to start with and considering you've only invested three months into this character... please continue. Deleting DragonRiderTao probably won't even hurt in the least. So how old does a character need to be to get 50 billion+ investments? Oh. Your theory on value just failed.
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And any new player thinking that they deserve anything just because they are a new player needs to find another game. Eve is not for them at all. That's just a fact mate. Not an opinion.
Any old player thinking that they deserve anything just because they are an old player needs to find another game. Eve is not for them at all. That is just a fact, mate. Not an opinion. how many veteran players have scammed?
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:35:00 -
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Give up.
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moskowitz
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: moskowitz on 02/07/2007 03:38:19 Edited by: moskowitz on 02/07/2007 03:37:22 u know there are a few ppl that simply slam these new players trying IPO's out to make isk...that make's me think that the CCP should regulate this stuff so that investors at any lvl can launch thier IPO.
what are your thoughts?
ofcourse vets with ties to scams might react violently.
newer players trying to launch scams will concur.
honest vets might understand the issues surrounding the problem.
honest noobs trying to luanch an IPO or thinking about it might start reading more threads to try to figure more out.
The CCP will hire an economist to measure the fiscal impact that regulated share trading will have on their earnings......(oh they did that already nvm)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao So how old does a character need to be to get 50 billion+ investments? Oh. Your theory on value just failed.
No, you intentionally choose not to acknowledge why an unknown nobody can't just spam up 2 billion from the forums. Of course acknowledging the relevance of that is not in your best interest. It would demonstrate some honest though. Originally by: DragonRiderTao Any old player thinking that they deserve anything just because they are an [b]old player[b/] needs to find another game. Eve is not for them at all. That is just a fact, mate. Not an opinion.
Nice mis-edit there mate. I highlighted your attempt at paraphrasing me. In response: Any old player who thinks what you "imply" needs to find a new game. Eve is not for them either. Originally by: DragonRiderTao how many veteran players have scammed?
Three Answers to this: 1 - Too many 2 - I've never 3 - This attempt to join the scammer's club is failing. Let me conclude something here: I don't believe that you are only 3 months old. Not at all actually. I do believe that this toon may well be only that old but you... nope. Not plausible in the least. PS: Try using preview before pressing "post reply". Paying attention to some detail might help investors get over your idea that "Bah, records shmecords. Who needs them."
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: moskowitz u know there are a few ppl that simply slam these new players trying IPO's out to make isk.
I've not seen them. I've seen veterans ask pointed questions. Heck yeah. Does your parents just hand you their wallet without asking what is it for? (Mine wouldn't.) If you are talking about the "trolls"... my goodness don't you realize you are using the internet? Regardless I should tell you, don't mistake critical review for hostility. It's easy to do but if a person can stand their ground, fairly answer the questions posed to them, and continue onward with a mind focused on their goals... those that can are usually the ones that succeed. I've tossed money here and there like Johnny Appleseed. I like seeing people propel forward. Good honest people who don't need handouts to go running off with. Younger partners who don't mind having an old fart like me attached to their activities. And like Johnny Appleseed not all of the places I've put money has grown anything. Some have sprouted up and then withered. But, to date, every ipo that failed to meet the basic critical review process has been successful... even if they gathered all the money requested. In every case it turned scam. Quickly or slowly but they've all gone that way. Ponzi lives in Eve. He's everyone's neighbor.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Some pew-pew at doo-doo for free-whee!!!! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
No, you intentionally choose not to acknowledge why an unknown nobody can't just spam up 2 billion from the forums. Of course acknowledging the relevance of that is not in your best interest. It would demonstrate some honest though.
You are making it quote clear that you would give more support to a 18month+ player that is well known than a particularly inspired newcomer. Acknowledging that a scammer can be either type just as likely is not in your best interesting. Looking at it by percentage then figuring that its more likely that a veteran player will scam would also not fit with your entire stance on who deserves investments.
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao Any old player thinking that they deserve anything just because they are an [b]old player[b/] needs to find another game. Eve is not for them at all. That is just a fact, mate. Not an opinion.
Nice mis-edit there mate. I highlighted your attempt at paraphrasing me. In response: Any old player who thinks what you "imply" needs to find a new game. Eve is not for them either.
Does Irony escape you? Quote:
Originally by: DragonRiderTao how many veteran players have scammed?
Three Answers to this:
1 - Too many 2 - I've never 3 - This attempt to join the scammer's club is failing.
Accepting the fact that naturally there is more veteran players would help you understand how age of the character is not a good indicator of a scam. If a one day character came to make an IPO then you might have a point to argue. Quote:
Let me conclude something here: I don't believe that you are only 3 months old. Not at all actually. I do believe that this toon may well be only that old but you... nope.
Not plausible in the least.
A veiled compliment to the dept of my experience. Thank you.
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PS: Try using preview before pressing "post reply". Paying attention to some detail might help investors get over your idea that "Bah, records shmecords. Who needs them."
You did not just complain that I edit.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
moskowitz
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:00:00 -
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so we should trust u then Shar??????????
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: moskowitz so we should trust u then Shar??????????
No. Not at all.
And I'm fine with that.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
Shar Tegral> Well someone please say something quotable for this month!!!! |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:17:00 -
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I'm trying but I just can't get past the diembodied head....
Anyway....
Let's ask a couple of simple questions of our OP here and give him at least the opportunity to explain his "plan" to us. So far he's been very vauge and misdirecting (like a politician) but surely he can answer a few questions for us.
1. You claim your past investors must remain confidential. As you won't reveal their names perhaps you can tell us how many of them there are?
2. How much isk do you have right now?
3. Are you willing to show us a complete three month record of your personal wallet (since this is your main)? You can edit out the names of people to preserve confidentiality we're just interested in the totals.
Some of these things would show you're at least trying to show trustworthiness.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 04:17:21
Originally by: moskowitz u know there are a few ppl that simply slam these new players trying IPO's out to make isk...that make's me think that the CCP should regulate this stuff so that investors at any lvl can launch thier IPO.
people are bashing this guy because he's an idiot of epic proportions, he has done this exact same thread before and got the exact same result, and still he does nothing but evade questions and repeat the same unsubstantiated crap over and over.
I believe a 3-6 month old player would have a reasonable chance of a successful IPO if they: request an appropriate amount of money post more than vague generalizations of their business plan have references from other characters who are not their alts have some proof that they've actually done something and are competent enough to run an IPO
this guy has done none of the above. 2 billion for a 3 month old char that's never been out of the noob corp is ridiculous.
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moskowitz
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: moskowitz on 02/07/2007 04:21:56
Originally by: Jennai Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 04:17:21
Originally by: moskowitz u know there are a few ppl that simply slam these new players trying IPO's out to make isk...that make's me think that the CCP should regulate this stuff so that investors at any lvl can launch thier IPO.
people are bashing this guy because he's an idiot of epic proportions, he has done this exact same thread before and got the exact same result, andstill he does nothing but evade questions and repeat the same unsubstantiated crap over and over.
I believe a 3-6 month old player would have a reasonable chance of a successful IPO if they: request an appropriate amount of money post more than vague generalizations of their business plan have references from other characters who are not their alts have some proof that they've actually done something and are competent enough to run an IPO
this guy has done none of the above. 2 billion for a 3 month old char that's never been out of the noob corp is ridiculous.
regardless of this particular case of a bad IPO...I still think the CCP could regulate share trading.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:25:00 -
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Quote: You are making it quote clear that you would give more support to a 18month+ player that is well known than a particularly inspired newcomer. Acknowledging that a scammer can be either type just as likely is not in your best interest. Looking at it by percentage then figuring that its more likely that a veteran player will scam would also not fit with your entire stance on who deserves investments.
Not at all as there are many four year veteran players in this game I wouldn't borrow 5 isk to. Like I said reputation is everything (when I posted as Calladen). Yes any age player can be a scammer but you need to look at what do they gain by scamming versus what do they lose by scamming.
There are some eight month old players in my corp I would invest in with no hesitation because I view them as trustworthy based on their past activities and interactions with me and the eve community. Does that mean they're not going to scam? Of course not. But at least they're a known commodity who have build a reputation over time and not a total unknown asking for the world.
I'd be interested in knowing how much isk you have right now. Perhaps showing your wallet to us (going back three months) so we can see all this profit you claim to have made trading would help you with your case. Many corporate CEOs here have subjected themselves to audits and reviews of their financial status. As someone seeking 2b isk in investment you should at a minimum be willing to do the same.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I'm trying but I just can't get past the diembodied head....
Anyway....
Let's ask a couple of simple questions of our OP here and give him at least the opportunity to explain his "plan" to us. So far he's been very vauge and misdirecting (like a politician) but surely he can answer a few questions for us.
1. You claim your past investors must remain confidential. As you won't reveal their names perhaps you can tell us how many of them there are?
There were four investors originally. One of them bailed because of a war. The isk was returned immediately.
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2. How much isk do you have right now?
my wallet holds 5 million isk at the moment. My buy orders are at over 107 million. My sell orders approximate 40 million.
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3. Are you willing to show us a complete three month record of your personal wallet (since this is your main)? You can edit out the names of people to preserve confidentiality we're just interested in the totals.
No. The times would tell people when I am on. The locations would tell people where I trade. The item names would tell people exactly what I buy and sell. The amounts what I trade most. The details I can share about my trades are that they include various racial items as well as universal modules.
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Some of these things would show you're at least trying to show trustworthiness.
Archbishop
Thank you for an honest post.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 02/07/2007 04:40:16
Originally by: Jennai
post more than vague generalizations of their business plan
Would you like to know the routes that are taken by my transport ships as well? I have given all the reasonable details. Keep asking questions instead of throwing insults. Quote:
have references from other characters who are not their alts have some proof that they've actually done something and are competent enough to run an IPO
this guy has done none of the above. 2 billion for a 3 month old char that's never been out of the noob corp is ridiculous.
Trading does not require a corp. I can tell you that the right T1 items will yield more results than T2 from just trading. Would you like me to divulge information about the overpriced items I sell so that you may bring the price to unprofitable levels as well?
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:45:00 -
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Quote: my wallet holds 5 million isk at the moment. My buy orders are at over 107 million. My sell orders approximate 40 million.
OK so you had four outside investors and one bailed due to a war so you were left with three. Your personal wallet holds 5m isk and you have 100m+ in buy orders.
Can you tell us how much your outside investors put into it and how long it took them to see their return?
The big problem you'll face here (even if people didn't call you a scam) is you're asking for way more isk then you have. I know when I started my alts corp I put up nearly 70% of the funds myself to startout and stated I would always have enough to "cash out" if necessary (thus I won't ever raise more than a certain amount). I had the assets in hand to cover any losses.
In your case you have 105m isk to cover 2b isk. You claim your losses would be covered yet the fact you have been in Eve three months with what you claim is a surefire trading method and yet you only have 105m isk makes people wonder what you've been doing all this time. Sure 105m is a nice amount of isk for a new player, it took me months to make a million isk after beta, but now with tutorials, corps and 0.0 access people really can get rich quick.
I think you'd have alot more success coming here asking for a 100m isk IPO and paying that off first before asking for 200m then going from there. 100m would double your assets thus in effect would double your trading capacity. You could submit your wallet screenshots (minus the personal information and location information) so people could see you are indeed making the isk you claim to be. A few months of paying dividends ontime would help too.
Asking for 2b isk is excessive for anyone who doesn't present a full business plan and who doesn't have any kind of a reputation to preserve (or lose). You're asking for way to much as a newer player.
Archbishop
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 02/07/2007 04:47:24 Double post
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: my wallet holds 5 million isk at the moment. My buy orders are at over 107 million. My sell orders approximate 40 million.
OK so you had four outside investors and one bailed due to a war so you were left with three. Your personal wallet holds 5m isk and you have 100m+ in buy orders.
Can you tell us how much your outside investors put into it and how long it took them to see their return?
I received a total of 50 million that was returned within two weeks. I received another 130 million that was returned within 25 days time.
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The big problem you'll face here (even if people didn't call you a scam) is you're asking for way more isk then you have. I know when I started my alts corp I put up nearly 70% of the funds myself to startout and stated I would always have enough to "cash out" if necessary (thus I won't ever raise more than a certain amount). I had the assets in hand to cover any losses.
In your case you have 105m isk to cover 2b isk. You claim your losses would be covered yet the fact you have been in Eve three months with what you claim is a surefire trading method and yet you only have 105m isk makes people wonder what you've been doing all this time. Sure 105m is a nice amount of isk for a new player, it took me months to make a million isk after beta, but now with tutorials, corps and 0.0 access people really can get rich quick.
I have been a trader from the beginning. I do not use a corp or go to 0.0.
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I think you'd have alot more success coming here asking for a 100m isk IPO and paying that off first before asking for 200m then going from there. 100m would double your assets thus in effect would double your trading capacity. You could submit your wallet screenshots (minus the personal information and location information) so people could see you are indeed making the isk you claim to be. A few months of paying dividends ontime would help too.
I have the capacity to use more. My business model allows me to use any amount I receive right away. If people decide to only give me 100 million then I will work with it. The goal will remain at 2 billion.
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Asking for 2b isk is excessive for anyone who doesn't present a full business plan and who doesn't have any kind of a reputation to preserve (or lose). You're asking for way to much as a newer player.
Archbishop
I am at a loss as to what else I could tell you about my business plan other than the exact items I will be trading.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 05:17:08
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Jennai
post more than vague generalizations of their business plan
Would you like to know the routes that are taken by my transport ships as well? I have given all the reasonable details. Keep asking questions instead of throwing insults.
what transport ships?
"The type of trading is in station. It does not include any risk as the goods are always safe within the station." ... "I am able to trade within a region without undocking."
Quote: Trading does not require a corp. I can tell you that the right T1 items will yield more results than T2 from just trading. Would you like me to divulge information about the overpriced items I sell so that you may bring the price to unprofitable levels as well?
if these items are so "overpriced" then what makes you think they're going to stay that way after you dump 2 billion into building them? and then there's the fact that any "overpriced" item in empire will be spotted and exploited by other parties, if you don't manage to crash the market on your own.
and furthermore, what the hell kind of "items" need a 2 billion isk outlay besides battleships, capital parts, or multiple battlecruisers? do you even have PE5?
Quote: My wallet is personal information.
your wallet is a csv file that takes about two minutes to prune down to a list of unidentifiable date/amount/balance entries. journal export does not include item names or quantities.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 02/07/2007 05:35:56
Originally by: Jennai Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 05:24:08
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Jennai
post more than vague generalizations of their business plan
Would you like to know the routes that are taken by my transport ships as well? I have given all the reasonable details. Keep asking questions instead of throwing insults.
what transport ships?
"The type of trading is in station. It does not include any risk as the goods are always safe within the station." ... "I am able to trade within a region without undocking."
The type that transport goods. When I only have my own isk to use I can afford riskier styles. Oh wait. Did you just think you stumbled onto me not knowing what I type thus proving that I am illegitimate?
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Quote: Trading does not require a corp. I can tell you that the right T1 items will yield more results than T2 from just trading. Would you like me to divulge information about the overpriced items I sell so that you may bring the price to unprofitable levels as well?
if these items are so "overpriced" then what makes you think they're going to stay that way after you dump 2 billion into building them? and then there's the fact that any "overpriced" item in empire will be spotted and exploited by other parties, if you don't manage to crash the market on your own.
Some items stay overpriced for indefinite amounts of time. Buy orders can stay relatively low as well. Can you do me a favor? Please go back and count how many times I said that I trade. If I said that I do more than manufacturing just twice then it is already too many times.
Quote: and furthermore, what the hell kind of "items" need a 2 billion isk outlay besides battleships, capital parts, or multiple battlecruisers? do you even have PE5?
Yes, I do have PE5 now. Many ships and T2 items trade at that level.
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Quote: My wallet is personal information.
your wallet is a csv file that takes about two minutes to prune down to a list of unidentifiable date/amount/balance entries like so. journal export does not include item names or quantities.
I can do this. Before I waste my time can you tell me what is there to prevent you from claiming it is all fake?
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Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 06:27:27
Originally by: DragonRiderTao The type that transport goods. When I only have my own isk to use I can afford riskier styles. Oh wait. Did you just think you stumbled onto me not knowing what I type thus proving that I am illegitimate?
people are asking for details on what you're going to do with the investment. so far, it consists basically of 1. give me money 2. ??? 3. profit
and you're still evading the question by any means available.
by the way, you just admitted that what you're doing now isn't whatever mystery method you're going to do with investments, so that's yet another strike against your credibility and competence.
Quote: Some items stay overpriced for indefinite amounts of time. Buy orders can stay relatively low as well.
yeah, when it's some garbage item that costs 50k to build, sells 5 units a day at 80k, and gets 1 unit every other day from buy orders at 20k. or when you're based in the ass end of nowhere and can sell at 20% above hub but only get 1/10 the volume.
anything that actually has decent volume is going to have people researching it, undercutting the sells, and outbidding the buys.
Quote: Can you do me a favor? Please go back and count how many times I said that I trade. If I said that I do more than manufacturing just twice then it is already too many times.
first you say there's no risk of losing goods because you don't undock, now you say you'll be trading. which is it?
"trading" without undocking isn't trading, it's a half-assed attempt at price fixing that only works on low-volume items and fails completely if the other producers adjust their price instead of blindly relisting at the same price every time you buy them out.
Quote: Yes, I do have PE5 now. Many ships and T2 items trade at that level.
oh that's rich. you get all ****y because YOU DO MORE THAN MANUFACTURING but you seem to think PE5 has something to do with "trading".
Quote: I can do this. Before I waste my time can you tell me what is there to prevent you from claiming it is all fake?
since you've been camping this thread all evening and I know you're reading this now, post it now and don't try to weasel out of it. and include the refType column and the broker fee/transaction tax/manufacturing entries, like so.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:08:00 -
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I have only answered every honest question with full answers. You are a nobody. Do not dare to make claims about me that are entirely false. The only one being dishonest here is you. Your questions are irrelevant, often answered several times in the very thread.
Any honest person will be answered. Any trolls like Jennai will be ignored.
You are a failed trader if you think the only good trades are bad items with insignificant volume. You have made your irrelevant opinions known. Do not troll this thread.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 08:30:28 Edited by: Jennai on 02/07/2007 08:23:29 gee, how did I guess that you were going to find more lame excuses to dodge all questions and weasel out of posting a sanitized wallet export like you said you would
harder to fake than you thought, eh?
Originally by: DragonRiderTao You are a failed trader if you think the only good trades are bad items with insignificant volume.
I never said that. are you unable to understand what I'm saying, or are you intentionally twisting my words to create a false pretext for refusing to answer any of my questions?
I spent two years building and selling modules and ships, so I know how the market works.
and at the end of the day, I'm the one with 2 billion cash in hand, and you're the idiot who can't even scam right.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:16:00 -
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Ok, I am going to clearly lay out what is being asked of you, just in case this is all being lost in translation or whatever.
1) Since you are a new character, people want references. Private investors are all well and good, but people are not going to take you on your word alone. If you truly want to reach your 2b isk goal, you need to convince one or more of your private investors to speak on your behalf. This can't be argued with or dodged, it is a simple fact. The potential investors have already lost so much faith in you that references must be provided.
2) Since you are asking people for so much money, you must provide a solid business plan. Take a look at the other IPOs out there. All that have had any form of success provide a strong business plan, most while not revealing the exact details and therefore giving competitors an edge over them. Build a business plan using these other IPOs as a framework and filling in the details relevant to your offering.
3) Since you are a young character, trust in you is going to be very limited. Again, this is something that can't be argued or denied. The fact is that you have not built a sturdy reputation for yourself. If your first attempt had been different, you may have some investor confidence, but as it stands people are wary of you. Please stop answering questions with hostility, it accomplishes nothing except to increase the distance between you and your goal.
4) Finally, you have stated you have a guaranteed method of recovering the funds entrusted to you.
Quote: The returns are guaranteed to you no matter how bad I trade. I have enough experience to break even at the very worst. A significant amount of personal assets to pay dividends when they are due.
The only way to provide a 100% guarantee of returning the initial funds to investors is to demonstrate that you are starting with those funds before any isk is given to you. Since you have stated you do not have that much isk, this throws the whole proposal into question.
Nobody is asking you to provide proof, beyond any shadow of doubt, that you will deliver. Absolute certainty is impossible, and every investment carries risk. What people are asking for is a reasonable guarantee. You need to earn our trust before you get anything out of the investors, and it seems like you want us to trust you based only on your word while not definitively answering questions in the manner that the investors require. This is not making you any friends and not putting any isk in your wallet.
I expect you to attack these statements, but for some reason I hold out some small hope that you'll come around and actually answer the challenges before you.
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