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Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:46:00 -
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Lately I have noticed that when I have been in Incursion fleets I recieve more than my fair share of aggro from the Sansha. I can nearly guarentee that whenever my fleet blitz's an OTA by the time we are onto the third Deltole I will be red boxed by everything on grid.
This also happens in a high precentage of the Assault sites we are in, to such an extent it is becoming a running joke with our logi crew that they only need to lock and rep me.
I am attempting to work out what triggers this amount of regular Sansha love. I fly a mildly pimped Machariel (faction gyro's) and the rest of the fleet is made up of pretty much equally (or more so) fitted Machariel's, Vindicators and Nightmare's.
Has anyone any idea what drives the Sansha aggro selection ?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:33:00 -
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Some ideas off the top of my head:
- You have the lowest resistances out of the fleet
- You have the least buffer out of the fleet
- You have the shiniest ships of the fleet
- You are using NOS on close orbiting Sanshas
- You have ECCM, sensor boosters or tracking computers that the rest of the fleet don't have
When I find one particular ship getting more than its fair share of aggro, it's usually because the Sanshas think it's the softest target. |
Aethlyn
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:47:00 -
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
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Posted - 2012.01.07 12:17:00 -
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Active remote modules will catch their eye as well, ecm, webs, nos, neut, transfer, transporter, repper etc. In large fleets with the same composition, as a logi, I could guesstimate all the aggro on a new wave for up to 3-4 different pilots in a row.
It got to the point where the logis were betting on who would be getting aggro (in a 40 man fleet) and someone would always win. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:01:00 -
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Go look up sleeper agro mechanics. I'd be willing to be it works exactly the same. |
Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:34:00 -
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man I remember this one day, where we all decided to do 1000 runs, we had this Logi guy who got FULL agro, exactly the same way like 999 of the 1000 times times, I dont know HOW he did it, but every single time, on the 3rd deltole, I already had every thing on him..
Just make sure you get one of the logi to have all 4-5 on you and drones. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:41:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:man I remember this one day GǪ we had this Logi guy who got FULL agro, exactly the same way GǪ
As a Basilisk pilot, I found it was very easy to get aggro on me by simply providing remote sensor boosting to fleet mates. The only people who pulled aggro off that were the Bhaalgorn with the neuts, and the Scorpion with ECM. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:57:00 -
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6/0 and 5/1 basis seem to be talking a lot of sancha attention too. no problems running a 4/2 setup. the sancha seem to be getting cleverer. they swap targets but dont actually shoot much, then they all primary a certain target for a lot of alpha. |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:53:00 -
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Being the highest effective(meaning damage applied) damage dealer grands you a very high probability to get the agro(my NM/Pala are like bullet magnets in OTAs or Assaults). Even in Legion only fleets you see the damage focused on 2-3 ships most of the time, exactly this ships where the people are extra quick in changing scripts and ammo and carry a extra T2 locus or damage rig to squeeze the last little bit of range and dps out of her setup. If you fly a high DPS ship and fly this one well, you will end up with lots of agro, there is no way around it(except having more than enough other ships that are just as good/better at it).
Flying something shiny or weak tanks has nothing to do with it, as least based around what I have seen during the last few hundred sites and I flown logi a lot. A bad fitted mach or vindi will next to never get the agro, while a typical "2 Invus is enough" puls gank Abaddon can give you quite a headache sometimes.
As for logis, ECCM was a good module to draw lots of agro and fitted mostly for this reason, since logis are easier to RR it made the job so much easier, however CCP changed the mechanic a bit at some point where it stoped to work this way(sadly). RR / RSBs / RTCs don't help much with agro, since scimitars and the oneriros, even with 2-3 of this mods nearly never get agro(like once during 2h) if you have 1-2 basis/guardians on the field so it is probably total remote rep applied. You will recognize this to a extreme amount if you fly in a 5+1 T2 rep setup in a basilisk with a single scimi as logi buddy you will have like 100% of the logi agro(I did for like 2 hours non stop). It can't be the cap chain, since I didn't notice any big changes cap chaining with other BS.
ECM was also very good at pulling agro, but I'm not sure if it still works. |
Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.12 11:24:00 -
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The Djego wrote:Being the highest effective(meaning damage applied) damage dealer grands you a very high probability to get the agro(my NM/Pala are like bullet magnets in OTAs or Assaults). Even in Legion only fleets you see the damage focused on 2-3 ships most of the time, exactly this ships where the people are extra quick in changing scripts and ammo and carry a extra T2 locus or damage rig to squeeze the last little bit of range and dps out of her setup. If you fly a high DPS ship and fly this one well, you will end up with lots of agro, there is no way around it(except having more than enough other ships that are just as good/better at it).
How about getting the most "sansha killmails" ? one thing I've noticed is that a lot of wrecks end up carrying my corp ticker (final blow) could this be influencing the aggro? |
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:07:00 -
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Chan'aar wrote:How about getting the most "sansha killmails" ? one thing I've noticed is that a lot of wrecks end up carrying my corp ticker (final blow) could this be influencing the aggro?
The highest applied damage on the target gives you the wreck ownership, it doesn't just work this way for gangs during contests but also on the pilot per pilot level, I have seen 70%+ white wrecks after logging back from a disconnect in my NM in a NMC once(yeah it was kind of a random fleet, but still not a bad indicator for overall efficiency of a proper used gank fit). |
Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.15 14:50:00 -
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The Djego wrote:The highest applied damage on the target gives you the wreck ownership, it doesn't just work this way for gangs during contests but also on the pilot per pilot level, I have seen 70%+ white wrecks after logging back from a disconnect in my NM in a NMC once(yeah it was kind of a random fleet, but still not a bad indicator for overall efficiency of a proper used gank fit).
Wait, npc wreck ownership is determined by "who did the most damage", not by "final blow" ?
You learn something new everyday in Eve. |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:31:00 -
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There are npc AI attributes in the eve data dump that are named enough to give you a hint on how they target :P |
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