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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 06:53:00 -
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What happened to the good ole days of PvP? Now everyone jumps in a carrier, even when you already outnumber the other people 2 to 1. Sheesh.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:58:00 -
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Carriers are like giant drone turrets of the stations, they are mostly invulnerable when in docking range anyway.
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Nikita Fontaine
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:36:00 -
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maybe because when you spend so much isk on one, any excuse is a good excuse to use one? ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ
Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:24:00 -
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Doesn't earn you any respect, and will just end up your downfall eventually. You get jump happy, you get to be known to be jump happy, and you lose your jump happy.
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Alha Qmar
Caldari Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:38:00 -
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When you pay a billion isk for a carrier you may expect them to be a strong valuable asset....
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 17:05:41 Strong valuable asset? "Oh noes! Two battleships and some cruisers! We've got as many battleships as they have total, WE NEEDS THE CHIMERA!"
Thats not valuable asset, that's cheap.
Just prove how bumhurt they are about not being able to beat you outnumbered, so they feel the need to flash their wallets around. Just wait for someone elses to be flashier... :)
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Thoric Frosthammer
Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:32:00 -
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There's this fascinating mentality that people who fly around trying to gank easy targets have that the targets are supposed to make themselves easy. Outnumbering say, a hulk pilot or a solo ratter never bothers them. It's apparently ok for them to outnumber a defenseless target. In fact, it's usually the only time they'll bother to engage.
Then when someone basically decides to squash them like a pest, they scream unfair. Its laughable really.
I don't know about other alliances but I think our rule is, a fair fight is one you didn't plan hard enough for. At least when it comes to protecting our space, or alliance ops. I applaud the overkill on the part of whoever squashed you.
Sounds like sour grapes to me. And if someone will "lose their jumphappy" as you so eloquently put it, I'm guessing it wont be to you or you would be warming up your caps, not sitting on this forum complaining.
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:37:00 -
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Like I said in last post, they're neither of what you said.. They're bumhurt they just CAN'T win any other way. And even with their capitals, we still get more/better kills then they do, only we don't hold the field.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 04/07/2007 18:07:02 By complaining on here you better damn well be sure you corp never does it.
I know for a fact they do, so you're just another hypocrite on CAD.
The real question is why can corporations cry wolf at anyone who blobs them while overlooking the times they do it themself?
It just doesn't make sense for one party to start telling their own members to not come into a gang "because the enemy may or may not have an equal amount of ships."
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Alha Qmar
Caldari Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Voxsu Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 17:05:41 Strong valuable asset? "Oh noes! Two battleships and some cruisers! We've got as many battleships as they have total, WE NEEDS THE CHIMERA!"
Thats not valuable asset, that's cheap.
Just prove how bumhurt they are about not being able to beat you outnumbered, so they feel the need to flash their wallets around. Just wait for someone elses to be flashier... :)
Eve is not about being fair, its a cold harsh universe.
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 18:30:34 Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 18:28:33 Olav, you must be delerious, we've never used a capital in since we've assembled. :D Keep it up and we will, though... :)
You had a fair fight even before you brought in the reinforcements, and we STILL were gonna take you on, and you STILL decided it needed a cap ship added to the equation.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:17:00 -
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That's exactly what I'm saying, you "made rules" on the go that make yourself feel better about you and your corp. "Well we can blob as long as we don't use carriers"
It's pretty saddening how biased you are.
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Kerosene
Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Voxsu What happened to the good ole days of *Snip* Now everyone jumps in a carrier, even when you already outnumber the other people 2 to 1. Sheesh.
*Out of Character comment removed - Timmeh*
Sounds like you've been fighting Ronin. They like to come around with remote repping bs's and just when the fight is even they'll jump in a carrier or two. It's funny really considering these people are 'All about the pew shooty fun'. If you want proper pvp folks, leave the cap ships at home. __
The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK.
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Nhaz
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:58:00 -
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here is some advice.
if you are in a fair fight. you are doing something wrong. _____________________________________________
It's NOT paranoia, If they REALLY ARE out to get you! |
Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 20:11:05 Ah, Ronin eventually left us alone, they got tired of being blobbed, and hadn't started jumpin in carriers until recently with 47R left for a short while(believe they joined back up). But Ein, we get one good fight out of htem, and its just... carrier, carrier, carrier, carrier.
Seriously though, if you're gonna travel all the way up where we're residing, what more do you expect then for a force to jump at you? Only difference is we're quick to do it, and don't have to sit for 30 minutes getting ships ready...
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lRoGuEl
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.04 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Voxsu But Ein, we get one good fight out of htem, and its just... carrier, carrier, carrier, carrier.
I would like to apologize for the mess our carrier pilot left all over space. This was the ONLY engagment we ever brought him into and he was a little bit too excitied. As he was jumping in, via cynosural field, he underwent mitosis not once, but twice in the midst of space! All of us, including the enemy gang, were stunned as our SINGLE carrier magically turned into four giant carriers looming over the battlefield.
So tonight, before you start thinking those are bugs hitting your windshields, you will be reminded how messy mitosis can truly be.
*Based on a True Story* ______________________________________
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Cory H
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 20:59:00 -
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Meh, I dont care about the carriers. We jumped knowing that they were there so its hard to complain. I am just disappointed at the backstabbing that went on in the second fight thats bad character right there, but mostly good fun. Looking forward to more fights in the future.
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:06:00 -
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Right, Rogue, lol. Uhuh. That wasn't the first time, and you did it a second time in the same night. Anyways... if you're gonna fight, fight... we're not out here to show who's the richest, or the most jump happy, but if you're gonna be butthurt about losing in a fair fight, just bring more, but capital ships are lil over doin it... and to do it over and over again... is careless.
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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Paradoxex on 04/07/2007 21:41:49 This is simple, and not worthy of bickering.
1. Eve is a cold harsh place where odds are rarely fair, and the only decision you have control over is whether you want to engage or not. You can scout beforehand, you can ask more people to come to your side from your home station....you may do whatever you want, but the only meaningful decision is whether or not to gangwarp to the enemy.
No one will truthfully apologize to you for us bringing a solitary carrier to the battle in question. For all we knew you were going to do the same thing, or bring 10 more BS. All we did was bring a gang, and you made the rest happen. We have not once publically complained when you all have brought more BS or total ships to an encounter of ours. After all, we made the call to engage. We realize quite well that Eve isn't an organized sports game. I hear there are tournaments that ensure that sort of "fair play." As for the fight last night in question....you pinned up several of our ships, we sought to free them, and brought what we thought was the necessary force.
I'm unsure of what we did wrong, or what pertinent rulebook we forgot to read.
2. For the sake of record...last night was the only time we've used a carrier against your forces. It was also the only time we used it last night. You are welcome to check your logs and confirm this. The second engagement you refer to contained no use of ENH capital ships. There were other forces with a grievance against you there, but no capital assets bearing our mark.
3. The reference to "backstabbing" is interesting. I am unsure what this refers to, and while combat rarely has any room for decorum and chivalry, I'd like to settle any hard feelings. I know we bumped an eos off of a gate last night, but in all honesty it was to us a reenactment of a maneuver that particular eos pilot pulled on our gang a couple weeks earlier. So in our eyes, last night was payback for a former dastardly deed. If you are referencing something else, then I am ignorant of what constitutes "backstabbing."
For what it is worth, ENH considers you all worthy enemies, and has enjoyed all of our encounters. We did you the honor of responding to your ambiguous grievance because of that respect. Not many foes get the better of us, and you've done that on occasion. It would be best, I think, if we could cease the petty disagreements now, as there's something to be said for maintaining a high level of civility amongst foes.
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Voxsu on 04/07/2007 22:27:28 Generalized topic... what part don't you understand? We went over this. You guys did what you did, we did what we did, we said some opinions.
You're not the only ones doing it, in the past week or so we've had other alliances doing the same thing, when usually they would bring a nice fight to us. We're just getting the feeling people are getting butt hurt they keep losing. The tactics work, we end up leaving, but not before we do our damage, and in the end if they keep it up it will not work, and they will lose their "valuable assets" as other people stated. May or may not be from us, but especially in the region we're in its not wise to have capitals as they don't really serve a purpose. There's no need for POS warfare in most of it, because there are so many stations. We've used 0 capitals, so why feel the need to bring capitals into play? These are just a few things that have poppped into my mind in the past two weeks.
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Cory H
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:06:00 -
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Yea dude its has been fun. We were under the impression that 3asy company were not friends with you. You bumping the eos off the gate was no big deal and not refering to the backstabbing that took place. panzer is one of the craziest pilots I have flown with, I doubt he cares he lost the ship. Im not going to name anyone but if the pilot who is involved reads this he will know what was done.
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:27:00 -
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I'm a big fan of people cynoing in the the odd carrier to our gang fights.
Makes the battle a hell of a lot more fun.
Have to get some tackles on the carrier.
Have to wear down the support fleet.
Once the support is broken then go for the carrier and hope you have enough left to break its tank before his support gets back in new ships.
I also find it very funny when corps cyno in 7 carriers to stop a 5 man cruiser gang...
Not that thats happened to me recently but it has happened.
Shamis Orzoz: Cap Boosters are for losers. I don't run out of gas. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:39:00 -
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I love jumping carriers onto people -----
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Voxsu
Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.05 00:40:00 -
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Whats the fun of carnage? I'd rather have fun sitting on the edge of my seat on whether or not I'm getting out of it alive. Roller coaster style.
And if you do lose? Eh, can always take your aggression out on carebears later.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.05 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Voxsu What happened to the good ole days of *Snip* Now everyone jumps in a carrier, even when you already outnumber the other people 2 to 1. Sheesh.
*Out of Character comment removed - Timmeh*
I've been saying the same thing about carriers for ages.
Only I said grannies, not mothers.
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
Xtreem
Gallente Yust Another Research Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:43:00 -
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Only thing i noticed is you saying, "they can only win by jumping in a carrier on even numbers"
well if thats the case then they made the right call in jumping the carrier, iv fought a no win battle many times, but never if there is a way to win, ok so they needed to tip the scales, its how fighting works!
you fully admit they wont win without it, so damn right they should jump it in, its a support ship, and is designed to dish some damage and save people from dying.
IMO anyways :)
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Timmeh 2000
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.05 09:58:00 -
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This is a role playing forum. Please take this into consideration while posting. You may find that there are other more suitable forums for a discussion revolving around tactics and discussions of non roleplaying issues.
So, is it easy being green? -Elmo
"This house is your own, still living alone, it donĘt make you sad, but I think itĘs good to be green." |
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:24:00 -
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This universe we live in isn't fair, the strong live, the weaker die. People will use every available asset to kill attackers and why not? At the end of the day the quicker they dispose of you the less losses they take. Why risk a few hundred million isk in an engagement that can be settled by some carriers.
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Gavin Neltharek
Caldari Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:35:00 -
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If jumping in a carrier means ensuring the loss of as few ships as possible then I applaud anyone an everyone who does it. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how fair or noble you are in your pew pew endeavors, only the isk in your wallet, and the space you have claimed will allow you to continue. Pvp in Eve is rarely a matter of fairness at any point. If a single carrier will make the difference in a battle then it's damned well sure worth jumping in.
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Manic Mole
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nhaz here is some advice.
if you are in a fair fight. you are doing something wrong.
This man speaks the truth. ---[sig starts here]--- a proud member of Venom72 & Sylph. eveything i say is my personal feeling etc, etc, etc... |
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