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TornSoul
BIG BIG is Beautiful
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:26:00 -
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www.BIG-EVE.com/BMBE
This will be the seventeenth BMBE shareholder report.
I have to be in the airport in 6.5 hours - and I still havent packed... (or slept)
I'm of for a 11 day holiday in the states (first time going) Two BIGuns are getting married (one is a former member)
I was hoping I'd have time to get the report done before leaving, but alas...
I'll try and get it done soon after I'm back home (sometime after the 16th)
My apologies for the delay to be.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:35:00 -
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IBTW
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:26:00 -
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IBDS.
And on a serious note, a half-month delay is rather disappointing. Can't you get someone else to do it in your place? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Detaitiv
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.12 04:52:00 -
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Ah bugger, the wedding!
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Jaeger Orlofsson
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:50:00 -
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/me hopes Torn had a good trip and is back today for teh div issue
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:26:00 -
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So where's the report? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 07:25:00 -
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Bump. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Jaeger Orlofsson
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.25 07:48:00 -
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*cough*
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:39:00 -
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Let's hope no bus has been involved in the scenario
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:55:00 -
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You are so impatient.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor You are so impatient.
25 days late 10 days after delayed date inferred from the post that it would be late (at which time it was already late) Has had the time to do posts about the lottery Another week and it will be time for the next one. Perhaps we should just wait until then and double up? I don't think impatient means what you seem to think it means.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 25/07/2007 21:55:14 Yeh I always felt like TS treated BMBE like a second rate service, basically putting BMBE shareholders at the back of his to-do list. We have given this guy 10's of billions of isk and seem to be treated like scum.
Nothing against Ray as he is the only thing that restrengthened my belief in BMBE, but for as long as TS is handling all of this, I foresee no good coming any time soon. My request would be to allow Ray to take full control of BMBE operations, handling dividends and being the one controlling dividends and profit generation. Until this happens, the value on BMBE (not just in funds, but also reputation) will keep going downhill.
If TS wants to treat his BMBE shareholders like secon class citizens, he needs replacing with someone competent to do the job.
edit for those wanting to see what our loyal CEO is up to, you can track his latest posts from here. Note since he made the first post here, he has had time to handle a lottery draw with the public as well as make payouts, but hasn't bothered pressing the 'dividend' button for his shareholders.
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: SonOfAGhost
I don't think impatient means what you seem to think it means.
In real life public companies do annual reports. The apparent move to bi-monthly reports here is perfectly reasonable and long overdue.
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Jaeger Orlofsson
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: SonOfAGhost
I don't think impatient means what you seem to think it means.
In real life public companies do annual reports. The apparent move to bi-monthly reports here is perfectly reasonable and long overdue.
Yes, but they dont say they'll do annual reports, then pipe up in January and say "hey, the board is going on vacation - we'll do the report in July" then still not do it by November.
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson
Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: SonOfAGhost
I don't think impatient means what you seem to think it means.
In real life public companies do annual reports. The apparent move to bi-monthly reports here is perfectly reasonable and long overdue.
Yes, but they dont say they'll do annual reports, then pipe up in January and say "hey, the board is going on vacation - we'll do the report in July" then still not do it by November.
You would probably be right if the management and staff stayed the same over time. However, since Ray is in a different corp now and does not feel like posting anything in this thread even though he issued multi billion guarantees before, one can only assume that Tornsoul is on his own. We cannot be sure of this of course, but it is still OK. These things happen to companies, and it is perfectly reasonable and it is no reason to fret at all. So cut Tornsoul some slack.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: SonOfAGhost
I don't think impatient means what you seem to think it means.
In real life public companies do annual reports. The apparent move to bi-monthly reports here is perfectly reasonable and long overdue.
EVE is a fairly fast-paced game compared to the real world. I really wouldn't use that as justification for spreading out the reports, 2 months is enough time for the rise and fall of whole alliances, certainly it's enough time for 2 bank reports.
And what's this about Ray being in a different corp now? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:42:00 -
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My apologies for not posting before this, I was hoping to have spoken to TS before it became an issue, but alas that has not been possible. There are two separate issues here, so I will address them individually.
The Shareholder Report has not been done, and dividends have not been issued. Both are now three weeks overdue. Both are now 10 days overdue the initial delay. I have emailed TornSoul today requesting a copy of the spreadsheet so that I may complete it and issue dividends. If I hear no response by the end of the weekend I will put a contingency plan into action and have dividends out as early in the new week as I possibly can. I didn't do this earlier as I was not expecting such a long delay.
Ray McCormack has left BIG and joined a new corporation. He has been in this new corporation for over 10 days. I avoided addressing this issue on the forums in the hopes that I could discuss options with TS beforehand. That has not been possible. So I will answer some of the questions posed to me in the form of a brief FAQ.
Do you still work for the BMBE? Yes, I do.
Where is all the BMBE ISK? I have it.
Where are all the BPOs and assets held as collateral? I have them.
Do we still contact you regarding current and future loans? Yes, you do.
What about the future? It is still coming, otherwise there wouldn't be any weather forecasts.
What about the future of the BMBE? Pending discussions with TS nothing has changed.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.07.27 16:09:00 -
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Well, this seems most expectedly unexpected. O_o
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
What about the future? It is still coming, otherwise there wouldn't be any weather forecasts.
But will the sun still rise in the East?
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.28 00:17:00 -
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2007.07.28 02:23:00 -
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Guys and Gals it's extremely simple :
Why does BMBE suck? = TornSoul
Why did BMBE perform OKish lately until now? = Ray
Why did BMBE started to suck again? = TornSoul and ray not being able to compensate for TornSoul
It's very very clear to me, it has always been, while you may think I'm "anti BMBE" i'm really anti TS in charge of BMBE and he's borderline scam management and total apathy towards anything. You'll even see him post that he doesnt feel like reporting and just doesnt do it, but most of the times he just doesnt give a dam.
People wake UP ! if you EVER want to see any returns on your BMBE investment you have to put Ray in charge, hell ! i have over 2b in BMBE that with TS in charge i'll never see a penny in returns or selling the shares back to the BMBE.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.28 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tami Auryn
Guys and Gals it's extremely simple :
Why does BMBE suck? = TornSoul
Why did BMBE perform OKish lately until now? = Ray
Why did BMBE started to suck again? = TornSoul and ray not being able to compensate for TornSoul
It's very very clear to me, it has always been, while you may think I'm "anti BMBE" i'm really anti TS in charge of BMBE and he's borderline scam management and total apathy towards anything. You'll even see him post that he doesnt feel like reporting and just doesnt do it, but most of the times he just doesnt give a dam.
People wake UP ! if you EVER want to see any returns on your BMBE investment you have to put Ray in charge, hell ! i have over 2b in BMBE that with TS in charge i'll never see a penny in returns or selling the shares back to the BMBE.
I like and completely agree with your thinking. Omber Zombie for Presi...
Er, Ray for BMBE President! ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.28 20:35:00 -
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If Tornsoul gets mad now, solely because of what is posted here, he will be perfectly justified to take it all and you will never see this money again.
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar Phoenix Tech Industries Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.28 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor If Tornsoul gets mad now, solely because of what is posted here, he will be perfectly justified to take it all and you will never see this money again.
How can TS take what Ray just said was all in his wallet?
What happens with BMBE nearly every month is why I dumped my shares long ago, the payouts may have been better of late but the lack of consistency has always worried me. How often is the monthly report or dividends on time with BMBE? --------- You have now entered the sig zone!
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.28 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor he will be perfectly justified to take it all
Wait a moment; because of things someone else says, you well its justified if TS decides to take my ISKs?
Uhm, you don't hold any position of trust I hope?
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.07.28 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor If Tornsoul gets mad now, solely because of what is posted here, he will be perfectly justified to take it all and you will never see this money again.
So... madness... equals... justification... ?
Okay, I know there's a business model in there somewhere.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.28 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor If Tornsoul gets mad now, solely because of what is posted here, he will be perfectly justified to take it all and you will never see this money again.
Based on the quoted text, it is safe to assume that Cally never scammed the EIB bank, because he was justified in taking the funds after questioned about a few choice decisions.
Is this correct?
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:15:00 -
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As someone pointed out, it is not the first time that a BMBE reporting delay occurred and Tornsoul has plenty of experience successfully explaining these kinds of situations.
So this time also when we hear his explanation, all the concerns will disappear and BMBE will steadfastly continue in the same direction as before.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor As someone pointed out, it is not the first time that a BMBE reporting delay occurred and Tornsoul has plenty of experience successfully explaining these kinds of situations.
So this time also when we hear his explanation, all the concerns will disappear and BMBE will steadfastly continue in the same direction as before.
Ah! It was sarcasm! Might want to be a little less subtle there.
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:25:00 -
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Not sarcasm. Just a way to keep people that I don't like out of this thread. They have nothing to say here because I already said what they were going to say.
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