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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated The Threshold
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kateryne I seriously don't get how people can think tempest gives you the same DPS. Assuming battleship level 5 then: Tempest = 6 guns + a pair of 25% weapon bonuses, or +50% = effectively 9 guns before damage mods Maelstrom = 8 guns + a single 25% bonus = effectively 10 guns before damage mods
Are you going to put flowers in the two remaining highs on the tempest?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trishan
Originally by: Kateryne I seriously don't get how people can think tempest gives you the same DPS. Assuming battleship level 5 then: Tempest = 6 guns + a pair of 25% weapon bonuses, or +50% = effectively 9 guns before damage mods Maelstrom = 8 guns + a single 25% bonus = effectively 10 guns before damage mods
Are you going to put flowers in the two remaining highs on the tempest?
The traditional @ Nos don make much difference in gang fight where you won defend yourseflalone from small ships. Neither do NOS contribute reasonably to killing a ship in a gang fight. Using Seges.. ok.. nto so bad.. if the target was still alive when missiles arrive.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Kagura Nikon 50 Km fallof means = NO NEED FOR MWD!!!!
Just tell that to your FC when you land 30km from a gate in a dictor bubble... what a joy...
If you had read the previous posts you would see no one recomented Malestrom for large fleet fights, but for small gangs. On that situation a maelstrom don't NEED to run!!! If you like to fight running like a coward form every single engagemnt that is not a Maelstrom design problem. Malestrom is a ship for people with BALLS!
And if your FC made you warp without a peemptive look on destination for bubles. HE FAILED!! (after warp start bubble has no effect). Throwing your BS in warp without someone ahead is simply stupid FCing.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 19:17:00 -
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The tempest can use missiles in it's two last high slots yes, but it generally won't, and the mael has 25 m3 extra of drone bay. The Mael will always outdamage it in a realistic setup since the pest will have fewer damage mod.
Maelstrom also has much more lax fittings than the pest.
It'll also outtank a pest and then some.
It's not a solo ship but it's an awesome ship nonetheless.
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Redora
Gallente Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.07.05 21:55:00 -
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Comparing the Tempest and Maelstrom, the RoF mod is irrelevant, since they BOTH have it. So in the end, your maths should concern the 6 guns with DM versus the 8 guns without. In which case you end up with 6 * 1.25 = 7.5 versus 8 * 1 (no bonus, remember) = 8. Maelstrom has better DPS and a MUCH stronger tank than the Tempest. The Tempest's advantage lies in it's utility slots for heavy nos up top. The INSTANT you drop a gun for nos, you may as well be flying a Tempest. So always fit your injector in mids. I was playing around with an AC fit, and came up with thus:
8x 800mm AC
1x 100mn MWD 1x Heavy Injector (800 charges) 1x XL Shield booster (C-5L or T2) 1x Invuln 1x EM Hardener 1x Therm hardener
1x DCU II/IFFA 3x Gyro II 1x PDU
1x Cap Sa***uard rig (to lower the cap use of the booster) 1x EM shield rig 1x Kin shield rig
Gives you 70+ resists across the board (75% being highest 71% being lowest), decent shield boost rate (624 with Minnie BS 4 and C-5L) and 700ish DPS (3 heavy 2 med drones). ---
Redora
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=543553 |
Plymer Ization
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Kagura Nikon 50 Km fallof means = NO NEED FOR MWD!!!!
Just tell that to your FC when you land 30km from a gate in a dictor bubble... what a joy...
If you had read the previous posts you would see no one recomented Malestrom for large fleet fights, but for small gangs. On that situation a maelstrom don't NEED to run!!! If you like to fight running like a coward form every single engagemnt that is not a Maelstrom design problem. Malestrom is a ship for people with BALLS!
And if your FC made you warp without a peemptive look on destination for bubles. HE FAILED!! (after warp start bubble has no effect). Throwing your BS in warp without someone ahead is simply stupid FCing.
So you're just gonna sit there and have your BS be blown up because "it was someone elses's fault we landed in a bubble"? Sure, you can skimp on the MWD if you're in LowSec and there aren't any bubbles, but in 0.0 bubbles can appear at any time from anywhere (cloaked dictors?) and I'd sure as hell want to be ready for anything. If you spent time in Battleships in 0.0 and didn't fart ISK, then you'd appreciate having the option to burn out of bubbles should the circumstances manifest themselves.
Not to mention being closer to your optimal will help with your overall DPS, so being able to bring yourself into a closer range then the target(s) will die quicker. 43km is great, but being closer to the optimal will help every time.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.06 00:29:00 -
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Well I would. Because when i loose a ship because of FC msitake I get it replaced. No reason on soldiers tryign to compensate for their comamnders mistakes. They should maximize its potential.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Redora
Gallente Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.07.06 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Well I would. Because when i loose a ship because of FC msitake I get it replaced. No reason on soldiers tryign to compensate for their comamnders mistakes. They should maximize its potential.
No FC is omnipotent, and saying "Well, I lost my ship because I didn't fit a MWD when I could have and YOU jumped us into a bubble." will just get you on every FC's **** list. ---
Redora
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=543553 |
Neo Providence
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Posted - 2007.07.06 03:37:00 -
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WTF? i don't get it. When the maelstrom came out, ppl said on the forum that the tempest can outdamage the maelstrom. what changed?
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Triban
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Posted - 2007.07.06 03:54:00 -
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Just bought my first Maelstrom for 118 mil, sweet life.
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Anubis Xian
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Posted - 2007.07.06 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Anubis Xian on 06/07/2007 03:57:25 In strict on paper terms, the Tempest does more Damage.
But in real PvP, the Maelstrom does more.
Armor Tanks = Less Dmg mods
Shield Tanks = More Dmg mods
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Rudy Metallo
Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.06 04:30:00 -
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Maelstrom if you have support, tempest for solo and small gang.
Thing about the maelstrom is it can very effectivly be either a close up AC/tank ship or be a long range 1400mm sniper, much more effectivly than the tempest (espeacially at the former).
Its inability to tackle and still have a tank renders it useless solo or small (3-7) gang.
Overall I'd go with the tempest simply because it can be used solo, small gang, and in a fleet effectivly. But if you have some spare cash after that, a maelstrom would be fun to toy around with. Say what? |
Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Kagura Nikon 50 Km fallof means = NO NEED FOR MWD!!!!
Just tell that to your FC when you land 30km from a gate in a dictor bubble... what a joy...
If you had read the previous posts you would see no one recomented Malestrom for large fleet fights, but for small gangs. On that situation a maelstrom don't NEED to run!!! If you like to fight running like a coward form every single engagemnt that is not a Maelstrom design problem. Malestrom is a ship for people with BALLS!
And if your FC made you warp without a peemptive look on destination for bubles. HE FAILED!! (after warp start bubble has no effect). Throwing your BS in warp without someone ahead is simply stupid FCing.
k. Obviously you don`t know our FCs, neither have you been chasing a hostile gang/fleet...
And, you systematically fit a MWD on a fighting ship...
No point going any further.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Bentula on 06/07/2007 18:50:49 Not fitting a mwd on BS in 0.0 = stupid.
Hell yeah your in a roaming gang and have to pass a friendly bubble camp with a >50km bubble. Just tell your FC to wait on the other side and take a toiletbreak.
Or you jump into a system and the forward scout reports a huge hostile blob coming in, no problem just mwd back to gate and ... oh wait i have a better idea, lets play hide and seek for a few hours with the hostile probers instead of going elsewhere to do some actual fighting.
Oh a dictor suicided into our gang and someone opened cynofield, what does the stupid FC mean with mwd out of the bubble and jump out? I stay, the lights are pretty.
Oh and not to mention that you can get much faster into warp with a MWD, if you dont know how maybe you should ask one of those stupid FCs that get you killed cause you have no mwd.
P.S. Mealstrom for gangs all the way if you have the pocket change for it. Even after fitting 3 damage mods you have spare lows to get more speed and agility if you desire.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bentula Edited by: Bentula on 06/07/2007 18:50:49 Not fitting a mwd on BS in 0.0 = stupid.
Hell yeah your in a roaming gang and have to pass a friendly bubble camp with a >50km bubble. Just tell your FC to wait on the other side and take a toiletbreak.
Or you jump into a system and the forward scout reports a huge hostile blob coming in, no problem just mwd back to gate and ... oh wait i have a better idea, lets play hide and seek for a few hours with the hostile probers instead of going elsewhere to do some actual fighting.
Oh a dictor suicided into our gang and someone opened cynofield, what does the stupid FC mean with mwd out of the bubble and jump out? I stay, the lights are pretty.
Oh and not to mention that you can get much faster into warp with a MWD, if you dont know how maybe you should ask one of those stupid FCs that get you killed cause you have no mwd.
P.S. Mealstrom for gangs all the way if you have the pocket change for it. Even after fitting 3 damage mods you have spare lows to get more speed and agility if you desire.
Just LOLW.. get into MWD faster? you know MWD (same for AB)increase your ship weight in 50%? tha means you get into warp 50% slower?
Anyway.. never lost a BS for not having a MWD on it. Myabe because i fly udner good FC that do not throw fleet on bubbles unless they intend to fight.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Bentula
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Bentula on 06/07/2007 21:29:50
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Just LOLW.. get into MWD faster? you know MWD (same for AB)increase your ship weight in 50%? tha means you get into warp 50% slower?
Anyway.. never lost a BS for not having a MWD on it. Myabe because i fly udner good FC that do not throw fleet on bubbles unless they intend to fight.
Ok, i know i said you should ask your FC if you dont have any clue about this but maybe your FCs dont know this. I explain this real slow and simple. Heavy ships like BC or BS align alot faster than they get their speed up to warp, so what you do is give the warporder to a warpable object and pulse your MWD once. At the end of the mwd cycle you WILL warp, since you suddenly go from 50% speed to > full speed.
In other words with a mwd you can enter warp from standing still within 10 sec. Now if every BS in your fleet had a MWD you could basicly move a BS gang at the speed of a cruiser/BC gang. But then again your far to intelligent to need any of that right?
P.S. No offence to your FCs, but no amount of FC skill makes a gang without mwds operate better. All it does is taking away mobility and options. Tbh i cant even imagine we are fighting in the same war, do you honestly never pass through bubbles laid by allies? Or jump into a system to reform on the gate?
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