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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.06 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus adacai on 06/07/2007 17:55:55
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Terminus adacai Why should CCP protect a player from themselves? Everything in the OP can be avoided with common sense. Do you really want the game dumbed down further? I don't.
The game is fine, you however appear to have some issues. Read the suggestion, not your insecurity.
LOL, you appear to be a flamer, looking at your posts in this thread.
I am not insecure in my ability to type in a proper sell order or to double check the price of what I am buying.
I don't need game mechanics to save me from myself on the market.
I am merely offering up my opinion that this is not a bug or something that needs to be fixed. I didn't slam your opinion and mine has nothing to do with whining....
You are free to continue trolling....
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai I don't need game mechanics to save me from myself on the market.
I have the credibility to say you didn't comprehend without being a troll. He's not asking for game mechanics to protect from bad choices or typos.
Bah... Sorry I forgot. This is the internet and intelligence is not required. Please, everyone, continue with your uber trolling and pulling your puny puds.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:49:00 -
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Shar, you're the one being nasty and insulting here.
The fact is, the entire problem the OP stated can be completely avoided if the buyer uses the Details tab instead of the Groups tab to buy things. On the seller's side, clicking "View Market Details" instead of "Sell This Item" achieves the very purpose you're fighting for: freeing buyers and sellers from their own inability to read a warning message.
The mechanic you're calling for doesn't exist because it is absolutely unnecessary. The problem is not a problem of UI design or mechanics issues. It is one of sheer laziness.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios The mechanic you're calling for doesn't exist because it is absolutely unnecessary. The problem is not a problem of UI design or mechanics issues. It is one of sheer laziness.
What mechanics is anyone asking for here? Somehow you are arguing against something that has not been mentioned at all.
The op had an instance where, due to lag or whatever, the pop up warning was flown past. This can potentially happen under the circumstances he described. To avoid this happenstance he suggested a reasonable interface "tweak" that makes allot of sense.
That's was the point he was trying to make. Everything else he posted was part over compensating and part rant. Simply, it was dross not worth noticing.
Instead you are arguing against creation of game mechanic that no one suggested. And saying that you are not reading is an insult?
Bah, I wash my hands of this.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Bah... Sorry I forgot. This is the internet and intelligence is not required.
Seems like an insult to me. Oh...no...wait...we must be changing the definition of the word. Please, tell us the new definition Shar.
I guess we're arguing semantics here, too.
Originally by: Shar Tegral To avoid this happenstance he suggested a reasonable interface "tweak" that makes allot of sense.
Call it a tweak or call it whatever the hell you want, in the end the "tweak" suggested will perform a function, the nature of which seems remarkably similar to that of other game mechanics...at least according to my dictionary. Which are you using?
So you're arguing semantics in order to avoid the point that the "tweak" (being nice here and using your words instead of the words used in the vernacular) suggested is, as outlined by my above post, completely invalid.
From your statements in the above post, you are guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of...you did not even bother to check that the issue I was addressing was the very same as the subject introduced by the OP.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 06/07/2007 20:32:26 Edited by: Taikun on 06/07/2007 20:31:36
Originally by: Aakron It is absolutely ridiculous whining about this. If you make a mistake you pay the price, you've already got a warning dialogue box, how silly can you be to complain about its default option??
It's tools like you who post before understanding that bloats threads with worthless drivel.
Sure I made a mistake. I dropped something on my keyboard and sold a ship at a fraction of its value.
It happens... fine. No issue with that on my end. I could not give a flying firetruck.
So where is it than I am complaining about losing my ship Aakron? please point out how I have burst into tears, spat out my dummy and threw my teddy across the room?
You are a troll.
My post was about CCP response to me telling them their warning dialouge didn't show up and why. I walked them thru the issue and why it is important.
The simple face of the matter is the the warning box is there is to protect people who make mistakes. At the moment it can FAIL that because of the default setting. Period.
It is not a matter of double checking your numbers or taking greater care when putting things on the market. It is about a single line of code which is by all accounts is STUPID as the moron who coded it. (And those in this thread who talk about dumbing down PvP. Go back to general whydontcha.)
CCPs response to my petition about the warning box failing to protect me was to tell me I can't get my ship back.
I never ASKED for my ship back. Not once.
I responsed spelling out I didn't WANT my ship back but I wanted them to know there was this quirk in the game that should be looked at.
Their response agains was to tell me again that they wouldn't be able to give me my ship back with the SAME TEXT.
CCP hires lazy people who could screw up making toast to respond to our petitions. Obviously these same people also code theur GUI as well.
I spent a long time putting together my petition walking them thru the issue.
Their first response included telling me to reactivate the dialouge box window. WTF??? Same mistake Ricdic made. YOU CAN NOT DISABLE THAT WINDOW. At all. Saying you can just shows how little you now of the subject.
If they actually READ MY PETITION they would have known this. BUt no,.... they spout off a load of 'cut and paste' about 'ther eis no bug' and 'turn off' a window that can't be turned off.
They are a slow and dimwitted and many of you in this thread blathering on about 'make a mistake and you desere the loss'. You are just as guilty of CCP as simply not reading the threads. Go back to your gate camps and barbie dolls
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:36:00 -
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You've got me half-convinced this is a conspiracy between you and Shar to pull a fast one on the rest of the folks here.
I hope this post wasn't serious to begin with, because it's become a complete joke. You're not even bothering to address valid arguments anymore.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios You've got me half-convinced this is a conspiracy between you and Shar to pull a fast one on the rest of the folks here.
I hope this post wasn't serious to begin with, because it's become a complete joke. You're not even bothering to address valid arguments anymore.
Go else where. You are not conributing to this conversation as it is totally clear yo uhave liitle knowledge on the subject and even less about my original post.
You, and your de-railing comments are more welcome in Jita local chat where your ilk can OMGWTF!!!!!! to each other to your hearts content.
Shar read my post and understand precicely the issue at hand. YOU did not and do not. Period.
Taikun
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:54:00 -
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Ok. I've said a number of times that I completely understand that your point is to move the default option on the warning window from the positive to the negative. I have displayed several times that I do, in fact, understand it. I then proceeded to provide ample argument against the change.
In response, both of you attack me and insult me?
How dare I disagree with you! I should have known that this was never about reasoned discussion, but simply about you demanding support and flaming everyone who opposed you.
Believe me, I'll do my level best to keep from making that mistake again.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 06/07/2007 21:14:22 Because you so clearly DO NOT understand what we are talking about and the below quote proves it.
Originally by: Daeva Vios The fact is, the entire problem the OP stated can be completely avoided if the buyer uses the Details tab instead of the Groups tab to buy things. On the seller's side, clicking "View Market Details" instead of "Sell This Item" achieves the very purpose you're fighting for: freeing buyers and sellers from their own inability to read a warning message.
The mechanic you're calling for doesn't exist because it is absolutely unnecessary. The problem is not a problem of UI design or mechanics issues. It is one of sheer laziness.
You fail COMPLETELY to address the body of my original post. Instead you spew out the same insane drivel.
Your comment "freeing buyers and sellers from their own inability to read a warning message" highlights just how behind the eight ball you actually are.
This one is the best. "The mechanic you're calling for doesn't exist because it is absolutely unnecessary." WTF?? The mechanic IS IN THE GAME. Lok at my images and you will see the warning box clearly. Everyone else does. What the hell is wrong with you?
Now listen closely. THERE IS NO WARNING MESSAGE TO READ BECAUSE OF THE DEAFULT SETTING OF YES WHEN DOUBLE CLICKS ARE REGISTERED.
That is what everyone is talking about. I don't know how else to get that into your head short of a ballpeen hammer.
READ my posts before commenting.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Daeva Vios on 06/07/2007 21:11:38 Edited by: Daeva Vios on 06/07/2007 21:10:56
Originally by: Taikun Open Message to CCP
Want to fix this entire issue?
Change the single line of code in the warning dialogue box from defaulting from 'yes' to 'no' and you will destroy this entire market over night.
Right at the end of your two-post rant. Amazingly, I can quote as well.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios Right at the end of your two-post rant. Amazingly, I can quote as well.
So you can quote. Good for you. Have a cookie. Your point?
Taikun
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:31:00 -
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Meh... File a bug report. If you agree with the OP file a bug report of your own. CCP will change it or they won't.
Honestly this isn't about dumbing down the game or protecting people from errant keystrokes, it's about consistency in the interface.
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Aakron
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:32:00 -
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are you going to spam, insult and flame anyone that doesn't agree with you?
The warnings are all in place to avoid losing your money but we don't need a fluffy wall preventing you from making a mistake trading. If you don't pay attention to what order you accept you should pay the price. The game would be no fun if there was no risk to trading.
Perhaps we should remove the warning box altogether... ---
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 06/07/2007 21:43:22
Originally by: Aakron are you going to spam, insult and flame anyone that doesn't agree with you?
The warnings are all in place to avoid losing your money but we don't need a fluffy wall preventing you from making a mistake trading. If you don't pay attention to what order you accept you should pay the price. The game would be no fun if there was no risk to trading.
Perhaps we should remove the warning box altogether...
Finally someone said it.
Perhaps we should. If the purpose of having the warning box is there to as you say "to avoid losing your money" then why is the default action to in fact have people "lose their money"?
This fluffy wall is in place at the moment to protect everyone buying and selling on the market. However, it doesn't protect those who genuinely make a mistake. Not because they are lazy, nor too fast or can't read or any of the bullcrap spouted earlier.
But a mistake made because of genuine reason with little or nothing to do with the user itself.
How can one review the dialouge box when they are in the middle of entering a value? How can one review a warningbox when it never appears because it is bypassed by a double key stroke?
Effectivly there IS NO warning box for these individuals.
So, in fairness perhaps its removal is an outcome CCP should consider. Either that, or change the default setting to 'no' so everyone is protected (or not) equally from market based errors.
Taikun
P.S. As for flaming... those who have the greatest need get lit up for wasting our time. I do not want to read their ill educated moronic drivel because they can't read. They should go away and drink draino rather than waste our/my time.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:44:00 -
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My point is that the warning box is irrelevant because if you're watching what you're doing, it isn't going to come up. Sell orders default to the highest buying price in an area that includes your current station, and if you then click "Sell" you get that price, fairly self-explanatory.
If you modify that price, you get a warning if you've modified it lower than a certain percentage of the regional average. This warning is not the only opportunity you get to make sure you've typed in the right price. You also have all the time in the world to make certain the price is right, there's no timer to limit how long you can spend counting digits.
Yet, in true carebear fashion, you choose to ignore the fact that you've got every opportunity to turn back even BEFORE you reach the warning. This is exactly, EXACTLY the same as choosing to go through a gate into low sec. Once you started warping to the gate, you had time to consider your action and look over what was going to be happening when you pressed that "Jump" button. The fact that you chose not to is your fault, not the fault of the person who set the buy order you're now selling to.
Accidents that would warrant a change like the one you're proposing are something you need to deal with on your own. If you slip up maybe you need to watch yourself and be more careful next time.
In over three years of playing this game, I have never experienced any problem with this, and from the responses in this thread I'm not the only one. Perhaps...and this is just conjecture here...perhaps this problem might be a little bit more local than you think.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron are you going to spam, insult and flame anyone that doesn't agree with you?
The warnings are all in place to avoid losing your money but we don't need a fluffy wall preventing you from making a mistake trading. If you don't pay attention to what order you accept you should pay the price. The game would be no fun if there was no risk to trading.
Perhaps we should remove the warning box altogether...
It's not an issue of the warning being insufficient. It's an issue of the interface failing in it's purpose. This is a similar problem to the issue with the Gang Invite pop up from several months back, where the pop up defaulted to an affirmative response to the invite, and malicious players were forcing people into their gang by spamming gang invitations at their target.
Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) |
Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 06/07/2007 21:51:13
Originally by: Daeva Vios If you modify that price, you get a warning if you've modified it lower than a certain percentage of the regional average. This warning is not the only opportunity you get to make sure you've typed in the right price. You also have all the time in the world to make certain the price is right, there's no timer to limit how long you can spend counting digits.
What is your malfunction?
You do NOT get this warning box if two key strokes are registered while editting a sale price.
This is the subject at hand. Why is this such a difficult problem for you to understand?
It's spelt out in the OP, in responses, explained in detail to you by another poster but you still just don't get it.
Wake up.
Taikun
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.06 21:58:00 -
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Um, this is pretty minor issue for one, most people in eve do it once and always check from then on. It warrants concern, and should be changed, but you claim someone should be fired over it ?!
Also, your wonderful "suggestion" to make cash (although it's obviously a way to get back at CCP for mistyping a price yourself). You say "keep the buy order price highest but far under market value"......
You do understand that there are 100s of people keeping those orders up to do legitimate business, right? I put up tons of region wides to simply buy low, sell high. There is strong competition, and rarely do I make money from this "huge" bug you mentioned. I have to go through about 20 pages full of sales just to get one cap recharger selling for 10k instead of 100k.
People would agree with you if you weren't so aggressive and mad about this issue. Please calm down, repost in a manner that seems like you want to help CCP, not get someone fired, and submit a bug report.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech but you claim someone should be fired over it ?!
It wouldn't be legal what I actually want done to them.
Taikun
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.06 22:33:00 -
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i support this thread ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:09:00 -
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People click on stuff all the time without reading.....
Who is at fault? The end user....
The warning is sufficient IMO.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:17:00 -
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Hmm, I'm inclined to agree with the programtically correct design structure. Choosing 'okay' should be the first option if there are no abject consequences. Usually abject consequences are defined by something that cannot be reversed. You should not be liable (or have to phone up support to explain you're a nob and hit enter too many times) for your mistakes or actions. If you press enter or spacebar blindly there should always be a check.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai People click on stuff all the time without reading.....
Who is at fault? The end user....
The warning is sufficient IMO.
I agree with your first point because you have proven it. You clicked on reply without reading my original post.
Furthermore you show that you too can work for CCP petition department with the level of understanding of this issue.
Allow me to scream this at you in the hopes it will sink in.
THERE IS NO WARNING MESSAGE TO READ WHEN DOUBLE CLICKS ARE REGISTERED. THEREFORE THERE IS NO WARNING MESSAGE TO BE "SUFFICIENT".
Is there something rattling about in your head preventing you from grasping this simple concept?
Taikun
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack Hmm, I'm inclined to agree with the programtically correct design structure. Choosing 'okay' should be the first option if there are no abject consequences. Usually abject consequences are defined by something that cannot be reversed.
Selling a Raven for less than 1,500 isk I'd deem to be an abject consequence wouldn't you agree?
If you do agree, then you should also agree that the warning box should default to 'no' to prevent such an occurance from taking place.
Taikun
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:38:00 -
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This thread needs to calm down and shut down, it seems. Put simply, in layman's terms, if you press a button without reading it (which is the norm) it should be the usual choice with no abject consequnces.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack Hmm, I'm inclined to agree with the programtically correct design structure. Choosing 'okay' should be the first option if there are no abject consequences.
Ding ding ding ding dingWe have a winner. (Of course Ray's always been pretty smart.) Taikun: You need to sit back and hush up mate. These people see that this issue obviously mattered to you. They are intentionally winding you up to get you to explode. Like you are doing. They won't be penalized for trolling you or thread derailment. You will be penalized for flaming and/or ranting. You made your case, to an excess, now let it stand on it's own or be defended by others. You are to .... touchey on this one.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun If you do agree, then you should also agree that the warning box should default to 'no' to prevent such an occurance from taking place.
Yes, I agree.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.07 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral They are intentionally winding you up to get you to explode. Like you are doing.
Far from exploding sir. I revel in making sure everyone is completely aware of the idiocy of particular individuals posts when made from a position of ignorance.
The stupid among us need exposure and culled from the rest so as not to derail the topics at hand. Darwins law in full effect.
But I nevertheless thank you or your concern and support over this simple issue.
Taikun
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.07.07 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun The stupid among us need exposure and cull
The Irish have suffered enough TYVM!
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