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Divideby0
Gallente Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.23 20:39:00 -
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380 billion!! nice! I'm glad CCP is on top of this.
Can we get a sticky on how to properly petition ISK sellers?
I'm sure you're get a lot more players helping out if they knew about the express petition option.
Who is the bigger carebear: The miner who braves lowsec on his own, or the "PvPer" who attacks an unarmed ship? |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.23 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Divideby0 380 billion!! nice! I'm glad CCP is on top of this.
Can we get a sticky on how to properly petition ISK sellers?
I'm sure you're get a lot more players helping out if they knew about the express petition option.
or just more useless petitions - they only need to see 1 petition for a guy and to look into it ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.24 00:00:00 -
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About a month or so ago I kept track of the pesky ISK sellers in the blueprint channel and filed about 17 petitions in that evening alone. The GMs were very responsive, but the flood of ISK sellers is just so far out of control I would have and could have literally spent my entire time logged on to EVE simply filing petitions - not exactly fun.
Here is also a log of the ISK spamming that evening in the blueprint channel copied from a previous post of mine. Even more fun.
[00:46:46] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:46:56] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:47:39] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:07] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:17] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:29] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:38] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:21] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:49] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:51:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:10] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:20] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:31] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:52] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:44] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:13] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
For those of you counting thats 23 ISK sellers postings in 10 minutes. Trial account-based ISK Seller Spamming in trade channels is COMPLETELY out of control.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.24 01:50:00 -
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I, along with many other people, have stopped using the blueprints channel because there's too much spam.
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Doodar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.24 02:50:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Mari Onette Edited by: Mari Onette on 09/07/2007 21:49:20 all you people whining about how CCP should do something should start filing harassment petitions for isk spammers.
There are over 100 people in a trade channel at any one time. if 25 of you petition each and every spammer that enters the channel, don't you think it will be dealt with quickly? The fact of the matter is that CCP cannot monitor all channels all the time.
IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A POD PILOT TO PETITION SPAMMERS WHO ARE SELLING ISK. GM'S ARE NOT OMNIPRESENT AND IF THEY ARE TO DO THE JOB YOU WANT THEM TO, YOU MUST BE THEIR EYES AND EARS.
You have quite possibly made the stupidest comment in this thread. The players who pay for this game have absolutely no obligation to report ISK spammers, THAT IS WHAT CCP IS PAID TO DO. We have paid CCP to give us the best possible service, which is currently plagued by cheaters. Until CCP starts paying ME, I should not have to be inconvenianced by reporting people who are violating THEIR EULA.
It is also very disappointing that there are very compelling solutions in this thread yet CCP isn't showing the spine to act on them. It should not fall to the player base to improve their game. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 04:17:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Jennai I, along with many other people, have stopped using the blueprints channel because there's too much spam.
BINGO!!!!!! I used to hang out and chat/sell/buy in the BP channel all the time religiously. I haven't been much because of the damn isk spamming.
It has gotten terrible. And the fact that I am limited to the number of open petitions, some that are under Exploits that go unanswered for days, SCREW IT.
All they have to do is keep trial accounts out of the Trade channels and problem of isk spamming in chat is 80% beaten. NPC corp chat would be the next hurdle to tackle.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.26 09:14:00 -
[97]
MUCH needed bump
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Darwinia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.26 09:21:00 -
[98]
I would like to add that I hang in the Help and Missions channel mostly. The first is kept clean by ISD and the occasional GM, while the second is as bad as the Trade channel.
I don't blame CCP for not policing all the public channels... they are doing what they can, I'm sure. I do blame CCP for not developing better banning tools. Give moderators the ability to set up auto ban by content, anti spamming tools etc. Stuff that already exists in other games and is not that hard to program, really ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
Riffler
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Posted - 2007.07.26 11:52:00 -
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Quote: Petitioning is not the way to go, just trust me on this. It creates a heavy backlog of petitions and more work for the GM's.
Dealing with petitions costs CCP money. Problems that costs CCP money are the ones that they fix fastest. Petition-spam every time an ISK seller pops up, and CCP will be forced to find a better way of stopping them.
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Siri Blue
Gallente Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.07.26 12:24:00 -
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I'd love to have a RED underlayed option when right clicking a name....*Block, Ban and Report ISK SPammer to the GMs*
Then some GM looks at the evidence and DELETES the damn account and character!!!
YES!!! DELETE!!!
Clean the Database please! :/
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 12:30:00 -
[101]
just block.........
--------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
Loyal Servant
Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.26 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts.
OH WOW! 100 WHOLE accounts? 380 Billion isk?
IM TOTALLY SHOCKED OMG #@$^%#$^&%$!@#$!
That is peanuts, try again. isk sellers have MUCH more isk than that.
100 whole sellers and buyers?
We would not have 5,000-10,000 isk farmers online farming isk if CCP used it's ban stick more often.
100 accounts of buyers and sellers is like, a bug landing on my windshield.
Try hitting me with a friggin bowling ball. Then we can talk.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:05:00 -
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If your GM's truly wish to eradicate these vermin that have no regard for the game's EULA, why do leave petitions open? I generally get a good response at first, then after 10-15 minutes of reporting new spammer's names, I get no more responses and my petitions lock up.
Get these trial accounts out of trade channels!!!!!!
Why do you continue to let them ruin your game? One has to begin to wonder what other motives exist......
The BP channel has become useless... as i am sure have others...
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 31/07/2007 07:51:31
Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
If you feel that you have received an inappropriate reply from a GM regarding a petition, please file a complaint and I or those of us concerned with quality control will have a look at it.
In regards to ISK selling spam and how to deal with it. ISK selling spam can be likened to a skin rash. Dealing with only the spammers is akin to constantly applying cosmetics on the rash to hide it instead of doing something about the cause of the rash and finding a cure.
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
As far as we can tell, this is working. A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK. This we removed from hundreds players which had bought the ISK for real money, and in many cases landed them in a negative balance. We banned well over 100 accounts. (ISK sellers all of them) You will not hear this from the buyers who were cought as they will never admit to buying ISK and thus I am telling you now. Nor will we name and shame anyone.
To achieve final victory over Real Money Trade (ISK buying and the spam that follows) we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the players lend us a hand in this by, first of all, not buying ISK and second of all discourage anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Together we can do this. This community is the most mature one any MMO can boast of, and we at CCP are damn proud of you. I fully believe that in unity we shall liquidate the rash and throw all cosmetics out the window.
WICTORY WILL BE OURS.
All the best,
GM Nova Senior Game Master
Thats lovely...
Cept in the meantime, we are still getting our chat channels spammed! And as you can see by peoples posts, your banning of these people is having no effect on what this thread is about...
The spam in public channels.
To achieve final victory over Chat Spam we need YOUR help. We can not do this alone. If you, the GM's lend us a hand in this by, first of all, monitoring these channels and second of all banning anyone from doing it, we can eventually beat this.
Trial accounts do NOT need access to trade channels. End of story.
Contact your pals at CCP and get them to remove trial accounts ability to use these channels and the problem will be fixed.
VICTORY CAN BE OURS.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Jastor Morbix
Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.31 07:52:00 -
[105]
To be honest, Im totally confused. I started petitioning the isk sellers and getting great responses. Usually something making it sound like I was actually helping the GMs. But.... after a few days of petitioning 3-6 isk sellers a night, my petitions started getting left "In action". By doing this, I cant delete them or file a new one. Im silenced until the GM decides to close the petition. This makes it seem like Im the annoyance, not the spammer.
I think the best solution is something like the ISD volunteers. Someone who volunteers their time to make eve better by blocking spammers temporarily until a GM has time to ban them. This would eliminate the 50 petitions on the same spammer, AND be faster.
Right click block is not the answer. That gives you about 1 minute of peace before they change names. And how long is it until the block lists get so long that it starts crashing eve? Not to mention all of the junk accounts clogging the eve databases.
I am totally frustrated by the spam, but Im not going to make idle threats about quitting the game, Im way too addicted. Maybe thats what CCP is relying on.
=*= Need Stuff? Kewl! We Got Stuff! Check our IN GAME store http://68.55.200.76/php/ingame/store.php
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Sentry Skills
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:12:00 -
[106]
/signed
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:09:00 -
[107]
After hanging out a few hours in the BP channel tonight, I am out of petitions. I petitioned under the rules/exploit as advised by a GM earlier, as it was supposedly getting the most attention.
At first, i got quick responses and was able to petition new toon names that spammed isk sales, all less then one day old. Eventually, the GM responses stopped, leaving me unable to report new instances.
Trial accounts are not able to train haulers and several other skills to prevent trial account abuse by legitimate players. Why are players that are less then 1 day old allowed to peddle isk in trade channels?
I understand that buyers of isk are the problem. But their catalyst is isk spammers. If CCP was to cut off their access to an audience, wouldn't the sellers suffer?
Since we began petitioning them so heavily, the number of spammers has dropped in the BP channel, but they still show up, all less then one day old.
Why does a character with less then 24 hours in game need access to trade channels? Maybe i am just being naive and am missing something.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Gizzler
Minmatar Red Star Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:56:00 -
[108]
I also petition them when spotted. And as many others, the GM rsponse very quikly but after some 3 or 4 petitions, they just leave it open making it impossible for you to petition anything else.
So... suddenly I became the spammer
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BPO Polymerase
Minmatar Babes with brains
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:54:00 -
[109]
Keeping one day old chars out of it would help for a while, until they realize they just have to wait 7 days before they use the char to sell with.
any way to implement a filter that sorts out the most frequent URLs posted?
/signed -- For all your BPC needs, see http://www.eve-bp.net Ad infinitum - memento mori! |
Clean
Acceptable Losses
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Posted - 2007.07.31 15:07:00 -
[110]
To bad those solutions will take till the next year
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Jastor Morbix
Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.31 18:13:00 -
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Apparently now Im limited to ONE open petition. I guess its easier to silence paying customers than isk sellers. =*= Need Stuff? Kewl! We Got Stuff! Check our IN GAME store http://68.55.200.76/php/ingame/store.php
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WGD118
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Posted - 2007.07.31 19:52:00 -
[112]
I don't think it would be that hard for ccp to install a filter that stops isk sellers with known urls from being posted in chat channels.
Yes it would have to be update now and then with new urls but that should be much easier for the GMs then loads of petitions. The moment an isk seller gets through with a new url a petition can be sent the GM and he/she can add it to the filter.
Otherwise I agree with the people above me if ccp does not want to install a filter then stop trial accounts from posting in trade channels. Correct me if I am wrong but a trial account can't use contracts anyways can they?
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Jennai
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.31 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: WGD118 Otherwise I agree with the people above me if ccp does not want to install a filter then stop trial accounts from posting in trade channels. Correct me if I am wrong but a trial account can't use contracts anyways can they?
the trials don't do anything except join all the public channels and spam links until they get banned. the actual isk farming and laundering seems to be done mostly on paid accounts.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.31 22:33:00 -
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I don't hang out in these channels, so I can't say what goes on in there. However, an idea that would at least allow you to do your business w/o interruption would be to create a new trade channel that was moderated. IIRC, it's possible to block all NPC corps from it, which logically would eliminate most of the spam. Just have about 10-20 trusty channel moderators to take care of the annoyances that filter through and that should do it.
OFC, does nothing to stop the farmer brigade overall, but at least you can hold a conversation without being interrupted.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 10:13:00 -
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Dear GM Nova,
As you asked on page 3 of this thread, I have been petitioning isk spammers. I have to tell you, either your fellow GM's could care less about isk spamming petitions or you guys are not communicating priorities.
I just deleted 2 open partitions in rules/exploits (as requested) because they were open for more then 48 hours and i needed to petition a character seller in a trade channel.
I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that these petitions are being left open for a reason.... to block additional petitions on other spammer characters because isk macros and spammers are not your top priority.
If macro accounts and their cohorts are not a priority, one has to second guess why not. Could it be that at any given time, 30-50% of your active pilots are macro miners and mission runners? That macro miners generate income for CCP with paid accounts numbering in the thousands?
Your inaction on this will ruin your game. Enjoy your Yen while you can get it. We as active playing members have been asking for action on this for a long time and your actions are half hearted and meant to appease us, not resolve the issue.
Mineral prices continue to spiral down as the number of macro miners and their spammers increase. Soon you will have a macro:player ratio of 3:1 if you do not take serious, immediate action. The longer this is allowed to continue, the more players that will become disenfranchised and leave the game, or go inactive until it is remedied.
As suggested earlier, if you cut off the advertising in game for isk sales, you cut off their ability to mine and sell minerals/isk. This will reduce their incentive to infect this game. This is one of the BEST MMO's I have ever played, but it is going down the toilet quickly.
Our dead end system used to have 7-8 pilots at any given time about a year ago. Now, it has about 16-20, mostly gibberish names that eat away at belts 23/7 and are members of the same 2-3 NPC corps. They mine non stop 7 days a week.
Your GTC program allows these "entrepreneurs" to avoid monetary costs to farm and mission at no currency costs to them. Large alliances and corps that are willing to spend real currency to further their game play fuel these macro accounts. It is a vicious cycle that will feed upon itself until you have lost your core players.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova
So, while we ban the trial accounts (logged on modified clients) used to spam, we prefer to directly attack the root of the problem, which is ISK buying. In most cases we can trace the sellers through the spammers with IP searches and other goody tools we have. When we catch the seller, we ban him/her and reverse all donations made from his character/s. This means that the ISK buyers will have their bought ISK removed, and they will have paid real money for nothing.
On paper this looks like a good idea, and it's better than nothing. But look at the complaint here. The primary complaint in this thread is not about the buying / selling of ISK. It is about the ISK-selling spam showing up in trade channels and eve-mail. While your efforts may help the root of the problem, the symptoms actually are getting worse. As you remove ISK buyers from the game, ISK sellers will only spam that much more to make up for the drop in sales. We need a way to stop the spam, as that is the most visible (and most annoying) problem to the average EVE player. Below is a copy and paste from a thread I made the other day. It was locked as a duplicate subject (sorry about that), so let me repost it below. It contains what I feel to be a thorough analysis of the problem and a couple of effective solutions. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:10:00 -
[117]
REPOST from my other thread
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The problem, it seems, is getting worse. Hanging out in the any of the trade or recruitment chat channels in-game invariably involves receiving at least one ISK spam every 5 minutes or so, sometimes more. Indeed, the ISK spammers will harvest your name from the member list and send you eve-mails too. Now I'm fully aware of the existence of the "block" button and I know how to use CSPA, but those are only band-aids. Petitioning them after the fact is just as useless. They'll just randomly generate a new spambot. As long as the ISK spammers get their message out to a handful of buyers, they will continue to spam.
The solution, therefore, is to stop them BEFORE they spam. How? Don't give them the opportunity. Most (if not all) ISK spammers use trial accounts. They do this because trial accounts are free. Indeed if they had to pay $14.95 for every single spambot they created, they'd quickly go out of business. And that's the key to stopping them. We can't get rid of trial accounts. I myself was seduced into subscribing by playing on a trial account. What we CAN do is limit where the trial accounts can communicate. We already limit them as to what ships they can train, so why not go one step further?
Trial account members currently are able to send eve-mails to pretty much anybody they want. They can also communicate in nearly every public chat channel. What's the point of that? What would a 4 day old trial member need to talk about in the Blueprints trade channel, for example? As it stands, rookie members (younger than 30 days) have access to a rookie channel that ONLY they have access to. Do something similar with trial members. Create a "Trial Member Only" channel and ban them from local chat, public chat, and from sending evemails. Permit trial members to communicate ONLY in the rookie channel and in the new Trial Member channel. Similar to the rookie channel, do not allow paid members to enter the Trial Member channel.
The end result is that the ISK spam problem is eliminated. Paid members won't have to deal with mass abuse of trial accounts if the trial accounts are all effectively muted. Legitimate trial members can still play the game and decide if they want to sell their soul to CCP. They can still communicate in the Rookie help channel to get tips and info from ISD volunteers, and they can still communicate with each other in the Trial Account channel. ISK spambot operators will find that they're only spamming each other, or people who aren't even sure they're going to like the game...let alone buy ISK for it.
It's a win - win - win situation. I urge CCP to implement this idea (or something similar). Another idea could be to create a filter that you can enable for Evemail and chat. This filter will prevent you from seeing anything mailed or posted by a non-paid member. That too, would effectively eliminate spam for anybody who chose to enable the filter. In either case, I'm tired of seeing:
Quote:"hjskfhdjh78 > $58.98/1000 M ISK, $6.28/100 M ISK, http://www.homosexual-isk-selling-website.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7"
when I'm looking for blueprint sales, or browsing the recruitment channel for some fresh vict...er...recruits. Get rid of the ISK spammers once and for all. Please? ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:26:00 -
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CCP has never done anything to prove they ban ISK sellers. They only punish buyers. Bought 1000mil? Bam, negative ISK balance. Better grind and/or buy more.
Conspiracy sure.. but has anyone wondered why they haven't been able to impliment some kind of filter to prevent the eve mails which are always the same, or the text spam in trade channels which is again, always the same?
CCP, prove to me you don't tolerate ISK selling (business partners or otherwise) by implementing a few simple filters. Didn't think so. - Security Director Advanced Logistics SPAM: [url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=563255]Interdictor tweaks[/url] |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:59:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Borgholio on 03/08/2007 17:00:04 Bumped. This should be on the first page until we get an update on if CCP is going to take any additional steps to curb the spam. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:04:00 -
[120]
Official response is on page 3 of this thread.
I have quit petitioning isk spammers because my petitions stay open for days now, even though they are sent under the express category. My guess is GM's are just as tired of these isk sellers as we are.
Keep trial accounts out of trade channels....
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
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