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Bezariel
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Gedscho because your mark has no way of saving himself, instead of not grouping up with strangers. thus killing the whole mmorpg pve thing.
Not entirely true. This method relies on the 'bad guys' inviting people into their gangs - both the victim and the wardecced intermediary.
Only the gang boss can invite people
So if you want to help someone on a mission and you dont trust him enough to join his gang, just form a gang and tell him to join that instead. That way you will be in charge of who gets invited, no nasty surprises.
Short: dont join gangs, form one and invite.
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:48:00 -
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lol Infod threads always deliver
GIEV MOAR PLX!
Re-added for Dodiez :P |
Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bezariel
Originally by: Taipan Gedscho because your mark has no way of saving himself, instead of not grouping up with strangers. thus killing the whole mmorpg pve thing.
Not entirely true. This method relies on the 'bad guys' inviting people into their gangs - both the victim and the wardecced intermediary.
Only the gang boss can invite people
So if you want to help someone on a mission and you dont trust him enough to join his gang, just form a gang and tell him to join that instead. That way you will be in charge of who gets invited, no nasty surprises.
Short: dont join gangs, form one and invite.
lol so true. im a dumbass zomg.
Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today! |
jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:01:00 -
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Just in case nobody mentioned it already: Lofty has done this for years. Its very well known within in the community and a simple search for lofty29 on eve-o will reveal the method and threads without end on this one. I wonder how a dedicated antipirate after such extensive research could miss them.
However, its not an exploit. People get the warning message about war targets when they first enter the gang. Ofc they are not warned again when the warring third party enters, but hell people should use their brain. Especially if they have no other risk of loosing their money-printing machines.
Also its in no way a scam. You dont get promised anything and you are not betrayed. Why is it an exploit or a scam if you shoot legal wartargets? Oh and on that note: The exqueror can remote rep but it gets flagged in that case and can be shot at without repercussions. So its all fair game.
It's just part of the simple fact that you are safe in eve *nowhere*. This should be common knowledge and whoever doesn't know this after having the money for a faction fitted CNR should just feel the pain. I for one applaud lofty for proving again that stupidity is infinite and giving out such valuable lessons at a fair price.
In the end the only way to protect the carebears from themselves is to either tie them up and put them in cages or mhhh ok thats the only one. sigh.
Just out of curiousity: Why do you feel compelled to help people who put themselves deliberately into such unfavourable situations? I just dont get it. I mean helping a noob who might not know better - so be it. But these lazy and rich mission-machines who play for 3 years and don't even know how flagging works only because they chose to never learn the mechanics of the game they play?
Every mission runner you save will fall for the next stupid trick. Just let them learn their lesson - its needed badly imo.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: jilahed Just in case nobody mentioned it already: Lofty has done this for years. Its very well known within in the community and a simple search for lofty29 on eve-o will reveal the method and threads without end on this one. I wonder how a dedicated antipirate after such extensive research could miss them.
However, its not an exploit. People get the warning message about war targets when they first enter the gang. Ofc they are not warned again when the warring third party enters, but hell people should use their brain. Especially if they have no other risk of loosing their money-printing machines.
Also its in no way a scam. You dont get promised anything and you are not betrayed. Why is it an exploit or a scam if you shoot legal wartargets? Oh and on that note: The exqueror can remote rep but it gets flagged in that case and can be shot at without repercussions. So its all fair game.
It's just part of the simple fact that you are safe in eve *nowhere*. This should be common knowledge and whoever doesn't know this after having the money for a faction fitted CNR should just feel the pain. I for one applaud lofty for proving again that stupidity is infinite and giving out such valuable lessons at a fair price.
In the end the only way to protect the carebears from themselves is to either tie them up and put them in cages or mhhh ok thats the only one. sigh.
Just out of curiousity: Why do you feel compelled to help people who put themselves deliberately into such unfavourable situations? I just dont get it. I mean helping a noob who might not know better - so be it. But these lazy and rich mission-machines who play for 3 years and don't even know how flagging works only because they chose to never learn the mechanics of the game they play?
Every mission runner you save will fall for the next stupid trick. Just let them learn their lesson - its needed badly imo.
I do it to teach them lessons? Nawwwwww its good isk ---
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Neon Razor
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:37:00 -
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lofty would not let me join him ganking in empire i was made listen to how much isk he was making in corp chat. he raised enough isk for a fully faction fitted vindi in 2 days of ganking mission runners.
Lofty contact me ingame. Neon Razor (formally known as Robbie Boozecruise)
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Das Forscher
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:48:00 -
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lofty > tiller //------------------------------------------------------
Oveurs true identity revealed |
BANDID
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Gedscho yup old news. and imho a sad story.
no offense, lofty, props to you for executing this maneuver so well, but imho its a killer for the WHOLE pve part of eve. dont come to me telling me eve is a pvp game. eve is a game, and it has a pve part too, and no matter how sucky it may be, this game is what people want it to be.
be it "space wall street manager" or "zero G counterstrike" its their decision. and the "intergalactic diablo" part is seriously broken.
why?
because your mark has no way of saving himself, instead of not grouping up with strangers. thus killing the whole mmorpg pve thing.
again, well executed (a target with nearly no chance of survival, phat loot, and everything in a rather secure environment? thats genious!) but its lame for the pve'ers.
not loftys fault but ccps. afaik not even considered exploiting... but.. am i the only one that thinks, this destroys the pve part?
Please stop whining, when u solo jump into a 50 man bubble camp there is no way u can defend ureself, Its maybe an old but valid tactic and hes making billions out of it who cares, its a game if u dont trust anyone to gang up with dont, macro miners are ******* up this game isk sellers all of them what he does is just proper game play its not an exploit so live with it.
Way to go Lofty !
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Das Forscher lofty > tiller
Oh you ---
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Lord BlackSter
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:56:00 -
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Lofty is the man!
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lord BlackSter Lofty is the boy!
Fixed ---
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BANDID
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Lord BlackSter Lofty is the kid!
Fixed
fixed again
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: BANDID
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Lord BlackSter Lofty is the kid!
Fixed
fixed again
Nooooooooo ---
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: BANDID
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Lord BlackSter Lofty is the pwnt!
Fixed
fixed again
Nooooooooo
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Re-added for Dodiez :P |
Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: jilahed However, its not an exploit. People get the warning message about war targets when they first enter the gang. Ofc they are not warned again when the warring third party enters, but hell people should use their brain. Especially if they have no other risk of loosing their money-printing machines.
errm if im not mistaken, when you first join the gang, nobodys at war. then you enter an alt thats at war with another. only person that gets a warning there, is the one, that already knows whats gonna happen
and thats the point. no warning about warring gangmates.
Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today! |
lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:29:00 -
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Taipan, please read -
Quote: No-one in this gang is currently in a corporation that is at war. However, be aware that if a fellow gang member's corporation does go to war with other corporations you become vulnerable to attack by members of those corporations. You do not have the right to attack those parties unless they attack you first.
You receive that information when you enter a non-warring gang. Yes it is worded funny, but the information you need is there. Do not join a gang if you do not know the risks. ---
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:31:00 -
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This is hardly worth a post. Loftys methods are blatantly obvious and only an idiot couldn't work them out for himself.
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Maxoz
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:33:00 -
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I watched lofty do this once around a planet about 6 months ago when I was still a carebear and now I like to think I am a half decent pirate I can look back and see that this is not directed at mission runners (I was one) or carebears in general, just simply stupid people.
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Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:34:00 -
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yeah i know. and i guess my objection is really a bit uncalled for.
coz infact... most of the time, when you go with gangs, you can bring cheap stuff anyway. who need gist type 1337 stuff when you got teamwork...
Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today! |
lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Maxoz I watched lofty do this once around a planet about 6 months ago when I was still a carebear and now I like to think I am a half decent pirate I can look back and see that this is not directed at mission runners (I was one) or carebears in general, just simply stupid people.
That was back in Oursulaert? That was just stupid people yes. Mission runners are my priority now, as they have juicy juicy lewt ---
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Gedscho yeah i know. and i guess my objection is really a bit uncalled for.
coz infact... most of the time, when you go with gangs, you can bring cheap stuff anyway. who need gist type 1337 stuff when you got teamwork...
You don't need 1337 gist stuff to even tank missions.... Only things I can think you might like would be officer PDUs to reduce the number you need, allowing more BCUs. Faction BCUs of course and faction launchers increase ROF / damage. The tank needs no beefing though... I can do any l4 in my Eos or Dominix solo with just t2. Im sure a raven would have no problem. ---
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:42:00 -
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lofty29 is not the first to do this.
He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.
And this is over a year old AND legal.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: voogru lofty29 is not the first to do this.
He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.
And this is over a year old AND legal.
I never claim to be the first, ever. You gave me the information about how you kill ISK farmers, and now I use it to my advantage Much love voogru. ---
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: voogru lofty29 is not the first to do this.
He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.
And this is over a year old AND legal.
I never claim to be the first, ever. You gave me the information about how you kill ISK farmers, and now I use it to my advantage Much love voogru.
One day it'll be used against you
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: voogru lofty29 is not the first to do this.
He got the idea from me, I used it to prey on your friendly "asjdiasjd", "daojdqwdiuoqwd", "djawdwjdj", "dijeqwidjiqwd" farmers.
And this is over a year old AND legal.
I never claim to be the first, ever. You gave me the information about how you kill ISK farmers, and now I use it to my advantage Much love voogru.
One day it'll be used against you
Impossible, I'm not a total dumbass ---
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Galen Darksmith
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Galen Darksmith on 08/07/2007 23:25:42 Good report! Not EVERYONE knows about it, so it's nice to see people looking out for each other.
So, all you'd have to do is get you're local friendly anti-pirate corp to wardec on ol' Lofty's corp, quit his gang when you arrive, and quickly get invited to the gank squad of anitpirates. Get them to warp in, scramble him, and serve up some toasty Lofty :-D
EVERY pirate trick has a counter. Just a matter of patience and dedication.
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Investigador
Caldari Hator inc
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:38:00 -
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Winston Umbeke and J'api S'appi from Latrocinium corp are doing this trick right now at Torrinos.
Winston left Latrocinium one day ago so he could calm down mission runners saying that he is at a NPC corp
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.09 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Darksmith Edited by: Galen Darksmith on 08/07/2007 23:25:42 Good report! Not EVERYONE knows about it, so it's nice to see people looking out for each other.
So, all you'd have to do is get you're local friendly anti-pirate corp to wardec on ol' Lofty's corp, quit his gang when you arrive, and quickly get invited to the gank squad of anitpirates. Get them to warp in, scramble him, and serve up some toasty Lofty :-D
EVERY pirate trick has a counter. Just a matter of patience and dedication.
The problem is, who has enough balls to wardec infod? ---
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Igus
Green Gecko Inc. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 00:15:00 -
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How is this not an exploit ? -- *snip* Your signature exceeds the maximum filesize (24,000bytes) and also the signature dimensions 400x120 pixels -TheDagda ([email protected]) |
lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.09 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Igus How is this not an exploit ?
Cus CCP is law. ---
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