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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 10/07/2007 22:29:06 Big traders can be lazy and stupid.
Here is how you capitalise on them.
Find that fat cat that sits in a station on their rumps and never flys anywhere to pick up and minerals. You know the type, they put out market orders for 500 million units of Tritanium at a time.
Ok, you found your mark.
Now, load up on cheap Tritanium from anywhere. I usally get mine for less than 1.5 pu.
Need cheap isk yourself? Find out where the macro miners in your region operate. They need to liquidate all their mins at the end of their shift. To get paid they will sell to you at a fraction of regional average to avoid hauling it anywhere.
Now, chug it all down to where you fat cat resides. You need a freighter for this basically. (Sorry newbies)
Ok, you now have a few hundred million trit yourself.
Now comes the fun.
Put a market order over and above your mark by 5 isk. JUST in the station and for around 10% of your marks total volume.
Knowing the moron fat cat, they will start a price war with you. Milk this for all it is worth.
Drag that idiots 500 milion order for trit up to wherever yo want to dump your mins on them. I recently got one up to 2.75 per unit.
Slamed him with 450 million unis @ 2.75 that I bought for 1.4 per unit. What that? An immediate profit of 607.5 million? Yup.
But wait, there is more.
Watch the market closely. In a couple of days watch for any large order of ships appearing on the market.
If you suddenly see an additional 10 Megathrons appear... go ahead and destroy the market.
Remember you have the inside track on cheap trit and your margins are higher. Build as many as fast as you can and drop the market margion down to as low as 0.5%. (Or under market value if you really want to be a bastard.)
Make that fat cat lower their prices to ZERO profit. Remember their manufacturing cost are enormous thanks to your trit supply.
After a horrible experience like this.... most fat cats have chosen to move on from my region. Screw them too. I own my space.
Enjoy the knowledge.
Taikun
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 10/07/2007 22:46:15
Heh, your posts are getting better and better.
By the way, if you really knowingly buy underpriced minerals from macrominers, then you should prepare for some intrusive questions from GMs. Unless you petitioned them first, of course.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz Edited by: Robacz on 10/07/2007 22:46:15
Heh, your posts are getting better and better.
By the way, if you really knowingly buy underpriced minerals from macrominers, then you should prepare for some intrusive questions from GMs. Unless you petitioned them first, of course.
Surely he buys it directly from the market, yet he thinks its done by macrominers, because of x and y?
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.10 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz Edited by: Robacz on 10/07/2007 22:46:15
Heh, your posts are getting better and better.
By the way, if you really knowingly buy underpriced minerals from macrominers, then you should prepare for some intrusive questions from GMs. Unless you petitioned them first, of course.
Knowingly? I don't know for 100% fact. I just observe the market dynamics and make logical deductions on other players motives for selling and pricing.
If GM's want my help to track macro miners down and expose them... they can give me a free account.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.07.10 23:25:00 -
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Terminus adacai
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Posted - 2007.07.11 00:01:00 -
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Now this was a good post. Ninja trading at it's best. Nice work!!
If you could in fact price war this example fat cat with the same manufactured goods, he may be willing to sell at a loss just to recoup some of his investment. Then you could pounce on his built goods and either flip them or refine them for the next time he decides to write a huge buy order for minerals :)
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.07.11 00:36:00 -
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The first part is decent advice. Albeit WAY over-simplified. If more than 1-2 people who read this who spend all those hundreds of millions to try this actually succeed it would be amazing. It is not nearly as easy to do as you make it sound. Plus you're still missing out on the major profit making strategy that could be employed here. But it is definitely a sound strategy and I'm sure a few people will try it out. I'd love to see someone post here if they got it to work based on this thread.
As to the part about selling ships cheap to kill the market is just an incredibly bad idea. First because those minerals are worth the full amount, just because you got them cheap means absolutely nothing. You are not making the money you could by selling the minerals, so they cost as much as you could have sold them for, not your buy price. So you're basically intentionally losing millions of ISK in order try and kill a market for someone else. The problem is you've identified them as a big player... so they probably don't care one lick if they make a bit less on some items. They will just stop selling them until price goes back up. So you've lost your money and continue to lose money as others keep pricing at your new price point before it slowly works it way back up. Then when it gets higher the big guy just starts selling again. At which point you intentionally lose a lot more money and he leaves the market again.
So in the end the 1-2% of his business involved in those ships has been hurt a little as he can't make the profit he would like. On the other hand you've lost millions of ISK, perhaps 10's of millions or more and have nothing to show for it.
The only way to price someone else out of the market they have to be a small fish. You have to be the big player, with the money to control the market. If you can't flex your muscles and manipulate the market then you're not really big enough to hurt anyone else.
Personally I've intentionally lost nearly 1 billion isk in order to absolutely demolish a few traders. I got hate mail for a week for destroying a VERY popular market. Some people blamed the price dip on patch notes / mission changes. It wasn't. I bought 1000's of these expensive items and then unloaded em at cut-rate prices and the market has been 10 times better for me ever since. I've made so many billions since then because of how much better the market has been that it turned out to be worthwhile. Even if it wasn't though, it was fun to do and it was only 1 bill ISK.
But I could only do that because of all the ISK I had that I could waste. If you are worried about losing your money or consider 100 mill or 500 mil to be a lot of money then you should stay far far away from market manipulations.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.11 03:20:00 -
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500 million trit doesn't go far either, I'm not that big a player and it's not unusual for me to burn that much in a week or so.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.11 03:41:00 -
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Quote: So you're basically intentionally losing millions of ISK in order try and kill a market for someone else.
Yes... and that is the entire POINT of this strategy.
Quote: The problem is you've identified them as a big player... so they probably don't care one lick if they make a bit less on some items.
I don't care if they care. I just want them to look at the market as hyper competitive and move on to greener pastures.
Originally by: Shadarle So in the end the 1-2% of his business involved in those ships has been hurt a little as he can't make the profit he would like. On the other hand you've lost millions of ISK, perhaps 10's of millions or more and have nothing to show for it.
Nothing to show from it?
How about being the only player in the market with 20 megathrons with a 10 unit turn over per day at an 'undisclosed' rate of return? That's a market I do not wish to share with anyone.
I have personally chased out of the market several big players because they don't have the time, effort or energy to put up with me messing with their market plays and pricing thier mineral sourcing up into heaven.
THAT is worth a billion in lost profits to protect a market easily worth hundreds times that in the long run.
Finally, this post is not a theoretical post. I have done it on several occasions and made billions. If the point of the entire post was to make isk I would have said so in the thread title. But it is not.
It was about PVP. not sharing with others. Attacking another player. Market based piracy. Evil activities. Kicking them in the goolies, or as Conan once said... to "Crush your enemies, drive them before you and hear the lamentation of their women!"
Taikun
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.07.11 06:38:00 -
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So in a market that yields 5-10 mil isk per sale, at 10 units per day, is somehow a 100 billion isk market eh?
Lets do a little math.
10 Mil * 10 units = 100 mil/day * 365 days = 36,500 Million = 36.5 Billion in a year.
So yes, if you corner the entire market, for 3 years, and manage to make that 10 mil profit (which is a bit high these days on Tier2 BS's).
More likely is that as soon as the profits get over 5-6 mil your competition will come back, as I do whenever anyone kills a market I don't care much about. I leave it until the prices goes back to viability. I'll let the guy continue to make items all day long for no profit or for a 1-2% profit if he wants. I have much better ways to spend my isk.
Basically you are barely making a profit while you try to drive him out of the market... in the mean time the other guy simply moves to a market that makes him more money. So you're making little profit, he is making a lot. Works fine for him, hurts you. Why would you do it? It's only hurting you. Especially since by the time it would help you the other guy will just return.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2007.07.11 07:22:00 -
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Having once been a major producer in a popular trade hub, and being friends with a couple of those in-game (one of which is a leading Jita producer), I can assure you that these people laugh at these attempts at market manipulation. You won't kick a 200b isk operator who has been in Jita for years doing his thing.
He has had to deal with tadpoles like you for years, and knows how to do it. He will either:
a) Buy you out b) Accept reduced profit for the 24 hours it takes to send you broke. c) Attack you in some other way (mercs etc) d) etc
These big-traders won't be sitting there adjusting their prices by 0.00 isk. They will also have assets on the market over multiple (ie 50+ items) areas of the market, so a slight loss in battleship sales over the 24 hours it takes you to go bankrupt or report major losses is no problem.
Big-traders will have 10's of billions in liquid cash, and large surplus'es of minerals already in place, as those buy orders have been there for years. If you honestly believe that true big traders don't consider people like you, you are in fairy tale land. Whilst your idea has some merit against small to medium level traders, if you honestly think you can force the big guys out of the hubs with a few 0.01 isk buyorder adjustments, you're dreaming.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 11/07/2007 08:23:17
Originally by: Taikun
Put a market order over and above your mark by 5 isk. JUST in the station and for around 10% of your marks total volume.
This works really well on the ignorant trader, but a smart trader will just let your order fill first if it's only 10% of their own order at a much higher price than other buy orders. However, if there are enough ignorant traders, and they all overbid you, even the smart traders might be forced to join the price war, if they're desperate for minerals and can't get enough someplace else that is.
Now what happens quite often as well (in jita), is that there are traders that use the exact same strategy but instead of using a smaller order, they use a very big order to start a price war, like 1 billion trit (they do it more often with other minerals though, like 1 million zydrine). They know their order won't be filled entirely before their order is overbid by someone else (there's a risk here if everyone is smart enough not to overbid) so they try to buy less than their competitors are buying at that price and they try to keep raising the price as far as they think it can rise. Then at the end of their strategy they sell off whatever they've bought at a price that has already increased above their initial buy order price (and consequently above their average buying price). The reason for using bigger orders is to force competitors to join the price war, because competitors can't wait your order out, if they are smart enough to do so however, they'll beat you and you'll be hurt, but there are always enough people that either can't get the minerals elsewhere or just aren't paying attention to price development during the week and weekends that will overbid.
It's often 10 smaller players that fall for this trick that forces 1 big player to join the price war as well, once the first big player starts as well, the rest has to follow. It also happens a lot just before patches, like with zydrine and nocxium lately, which both spiked due to speculation and this tactic, and dropped back again once the ones who use this strategy started selling off their stock. So be aware of anyone on the forums telling you to buy a certain mineral because it will go up in price, they're already playing that market and once they think the price has risen far enough they'll sell and if you stepped in too late, you'll be burned.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle So in a market that yields 5-10 mil isk per sale, at 10 units per day, is somehow a 100 billion isk market eh?
Lets do a little math.
10 Mil * 10 units = 100 mil/day * 365 days = 36,500 Million = 36.5 Billion in a year.
All your making is 5-6 million per sale? Wow.
I'd have quit years ago. Luckly I am making something considerably more reasonable and obvisouly worth my tactics.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Having once been a major producer in a popular trade hub, and being friends with a couple of those in-game (one of which is a leading Jita producer), I can assure you that these people laugh at these attempts at market manipulation. You won't kick a 200b isk operator who has been in Jita for years doing his thing.
Umm... hello. Please point to my refererence to Jita in my OP.
Thats right. You won't FIND it because it isn't there.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe
This works really well on the ignorant trader, but a smart trader will just let your order fill first if it's only 10% of their own order at a much higher price than other buy orders. However, if there are enough ignorant traders, and they all overbid you, even the smart traders might be forced to join the price war, if they're desperate for minerals and can't get enough someplace else that is.
All that works perfectly becasue my mineral supply will remain at 1.5 or less.
The 'ignorant' trader is blocked by swamping the market not by my ISK blocking his purchase, but by others as well. Suits me to a tee. Less isk I have to waste on over prices mins.
The trick is this wroks on not the ignorant trader, but the lazy one who NEEDS to buy mins at a single station in bulk.
He doesn't have the time to fly around and collect his purchases. You block him at his station from getting mins and he will be forced to pay through the roof for it.
You force him into a price war by blocking his production. Eventually he either raises his prices or leaves.
Either result suits me. I make isk off his bloated trit price, or I dont have to compete with his ship sales.
It's a win win for me and a lose lose for him.
Taikun
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Ricdic Having once been a major producer in a popular trade hub, and being friends with a couple of those in-game (one of which is a leading Jita producer), I can assure you that these people laugh at these attempts at market manipulation. You won't kick a 200b isk operator who has been in Jita for years doing his thing.
Umm... hello. Please point to my refererence to Jita in my OP.
Thats right. You won't FIND it because it isn't there.
Taikun
Yeh but you will find almost all of the 'big traders' your OP post refers too, will work out of a hub station. These traders have diversified hardcore in the market, and their partial loss in profits over a day where you are making a loss is not going to be anywhere near enough to drive them away.
If you have the 40b+ capital to truly make a stand against their market activities then it may be possible, but generally if one has 40b of capital to use on the market, they will find their own location that is not governed already by a 'big trader' and take up their own operations.
So my point still stands due to you specifically mentioning 'big traders'.
I guess the definition on 'big' is quite subjective. You may consider someone trading 4b worth of ships as 'big' whilst I consider someone with 50-300b worth of assets working their region, as 'big'
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.11 08:59:00 -
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First part of your post is good advice and I can imagine it can work with someone who needs minerals badly (I doubt for T1 BS production though), but the rest of your post is just... c'mon, 10 Megas and the "big cat" leaves your region???
Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
I wish you could block people on these forums. I guess we'll just have to wait until he gets himself banned or finds some other ego stroking device.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Robacz Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
I wish you could block people on these forums. I guess we'll just have to wait until he gets himself banned or finds some other ego stroking device.
I have reported you to CCP for trolling and off-topic posts in my thread.
You are not welcome to post in my threads if you can not abide by the rules of these forums.
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun I have reported you to CCP for trolling and off-topic posts in my thread.
Thanks, appreciated. When you can conduct yourself in a civil, non-aggressive manner they may listen.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.11 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic I guess the definition on 'big' is quite subjective. You may consider someone trading 4b worth of ships as 'big' whilst I consider someone with 50-300b worth of assets working their region, as 'big'
I put my definition of "big trader" in context by the example I gave of someone putting up a 500 million tritanium order.
You should have deduced yourself that order was "big" in the context of the region in question.
Besides, it is irrelevent if the individual has 50 or 500 billion isk. If he cant get the mins, and won't fly to get them, he can't produce anything. Zero profits over a period of time means he's going to go elsewhere.
Eventually he will move on from the location. That is the important thing. If he is a diversified player... the faster he will move / give up. Fat cats are lazy and can't be bothered with too much effort. That is the main thing to take away from this conversation.
Look at yourself. You can barely keep the towers stocked with fuel.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.11 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz but the rest of your post is just... c'mon, 10 Megas and the "big cat" leaves your region???
Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
Hmmm, over a billion in sales a day in a single line of ships isn't big? (90% of all regional sales) Really? I think the majority of people who play this game will consider that to be pretty substantial.
Originally by: Robacz Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
Who cares? Take your opinions to CCP about me if you don't like my posts. Otherwise consider youself a troll for complaining in this thread as it is off-topic. Also consider yourself subject to me reporting you for doing so from this point further in my threads.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.11 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack I wish you could block people on these forums. I guess we'll just have to wait until he gets himself banned or finds some other ego stroking device.
Indeed.
Originally by: Taikun Who cares? Take your opinions to CCP about me if you don't like my posts. Otherwise consider youself a troll for complaining in this thread as it is off-topic. Also consider yourself subject to me reporting you for doing so from this point further in my threads.
Go ahead. Then also read forum rules and find Be respectful of others at all times section. I don't think that terms like "moron" or "idiot" (taken from your OP) and generally aggresive attitude of your posts fit that rule.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.11 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 11/07/2007 11:10:14
Originally by: Robacz Go ahead. Then also read forum rules and find Be respectful of others at all times section. I don't think that terms like "moron" or "idiot" (taken from your OP) and generally aggresive attitude of your posts fit that rule.
You are now trolling.
My descripition of a general set of players is not specific to an individual. Rather groups of individuals who exhibit 'moronic' or idiodic' behavaviour. As such my choice of descriptive word are completely appropriate to descrbe their set of behaviours.
YOU on the other hand are clearly attempting to de-rail this thread in violation of these forums rules.
You have been asked nicely by me to stop it. Now I am going to have to ask CCP to tell you un-nicely to stop.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 11/07/2007 12:55:02 Content deleted.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.07.11 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Robacz but the rest of your post is just... c'mon, 10 Megas and the "big cat" leaves your region???
Also I find the way you post very aggressive and generaly annoying, it sounds like CAOD.
Hmmm, over a billion in sales a day in a single line of ships isn't big? (90% of all regional sales) Really? I think the majority of people who play this game will consider that to be pretty substantial.
Stay ontopic -Eldo ([email protected])
Finally, we understand where the problem lies.
You believe that selling 10 battleships is big.
A single battleship market is about 1-5% of a BIG traders portfolio. A BIG trader would be concerned if his Ravens, Rokhs, Scorpions, Drakes, Megas, Domis, , Feroxs, Hypers, etc all dropped down to very low margins.
A single one of those markets dying... who cares. He won't even notice the dent in his wallet.
The small fry, however, who thinks 10 battleships is a big deal will notice a massive dent in his own wallet as he decreases his own prices.
And the most telling sign that you don't really "get it" is that you keep referring to your 1.5 isk Trit. You think that paying 1.5 for trit makes your ships cheaper than his ships. You don't realize how faulty your logic is here... and that may be why you are not truly a big player.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle And the most telling sign that you don't really "get it" is that you keep referring to your 1.5 isk Trit. You think that paying 1.5 for trit makes your ships cheaper than his ships. You don't realize how faulty your logic is here... and that may be why you are not truly a big player.
Thanks, you saved me a lot of typing.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.12 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 12/07/2007 03:18:08
Originally by: Shadarle And the most telling sign that you don't really "get it" is that you keep referring to your 1.5 isk Trit. You think that paying 1.5 for trit makes your ships cheaper than his ships. You don't realize how faulty your logic is here... and that may be why you are not truly a big player.
No I don't. Never have and never stated as such. Stop making garbage up.
I beleive my sourcing of Trit @ 1.5 allow me a greater margin in which to make a profit over him buying his @ 2.5+ pu. Considerably MORE margin to make a profit assuming all other minerals are sourced equitably.
This means if I sell my ships at 0% margin, simple mathamantics would state because his margins are tighter there is NO possible way he could sell his ships at a profit.
He would be losing money by continuing doing business there.
Finally, who is to say I would only stop at blocking one line of ship sales? I quite comfortably have dominated a complete swath of battleships and battercruisers in my market. I have 2 alts in constant production ensuring it is so.
I might choose to trap him with 10 megathrons rotting on the market for a week and let him sell his 1-2 ravens. I am not above buying other ships even at market value to see who is playing in my pond and whose stack of ships is whose.
Read my threads properly, and think a little harder before posting next time please.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 21:41:00 -
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Fat Cats haven't gotten fat for being stupid (usually)
There's a strategy that protects assets from this kind of manipulation: DIVERSIFICATION.
If their profit margin on a given tactic isn't high enough, they've got plans B through ZZ to invest their money in. The margins might not be as good as whatever market it is you're destroying, but it's enough to make sure their time's no wasted.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2007.07.13 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 13/07/2007 00:53:15
Originally by: Alz Shado Fat Cats haven't gotten fat for being stupid (usually)
There's a strategy that protects assets from this kind of manipulation: DIVERSIFICATION.
If their profit margin on a given tactic isn't high enough, they've got plans B through ZZ to invest their money in. The margins might not be as good as whatever market it is you're destroying, but it's enough to make sure their time's no wasted.
WELL DONE! This poster has figured it out!
/wipes a tear from eye in happiness
It's about making those folks engage their 'plan B' which after time MAY involve them leaving the market in which I operate completely.
However, you can't diversify out of paying 50-100% above market average for trit becasue you can't be bothered flying around picking it up.
It about using your advantage in time and the fact you're not lazy to out wit them and block their incoming supplies.
Then profit off them once the get desperate to produce something, anything that has a return. (Time is money dontchaknow).
Finally destroying the market they choose to play in to convince them that region sucks for lazy manufacturing.
This is achieved by KNOWING your market, your competitors, what they sell, how much for, where they operate etc.
tis easy to do. When a new guy comes along and tried to muscle in on your action. it's easy to spot and what they are doing.
especially when you have 50% of an regions market in your pocket already. Any movement screams a market play is in action.
Time to give those guys a triple punch. Head, gut, and balls in that order.
If they decide to implement 'plan B'... it better not require minerals because I'll do it all over again using the example given in my OP.
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
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