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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:51:00 -
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http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=430&action=edit&message=6&postpost=v2
read my post and comment please
Lads and gents,
this is gonna be creative one. As we are now facing pretty decent amount of faggots we faced problem of killmail denial GÇ£exploitGÇ¥. Please no rage about using word exploit. It is probably valid tactics, what sucks is that nobody gets kill mail. What happened while we were killing the Tengu. 0. SLAPD pilot found he cannot win and his tengu will end in flames 1.he set self destruct 2. jumped out of ship in pod 3. we tried to board the ship GÇô it is not possible because it is set to selfdesruct 4. we poped the ship to make economical damage, but we knew km is lost.
Is there a way to get the kmail?
If not I would propose to change one of the following when u have aggro. Similar change which canceled the sucky logoffski ****. - disable selfdestruct option if aggro (not veryu happy about it though) - deliver km of empty ship with last blow even if sd GÇô if it had aggro Or any other creative change that would disable this ****.
Same is with scooping ships into carriers if it is going down GÇô u cannot scoop agressed ship.
PVP should be about kills and tactics and less about exploiting.
Hidden Snake GÇ¥ The BusdriverGÇ¥ IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Byron D
No Duck's Allowed
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:10:00 -
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Ok, if someone ejects from a ship and you kill it, you still get a killmail. So either check your combat log better, or stop lying. On a side note, ppl who eject from T3s before dying, do it so they don't lose SP.
Also, learn to link properly.
Also, IGB is a crap corp and you are the worst wanna be FC ever. And you seem a terrible person too. |
Garven Dreis
Kane's Privateers
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:13:00 -
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I suppose they could make it so it is owned like a POS module, as you get KM's for popping POS modules. I'd also imagine that my proposal would be pretty open to abuse aswell. Could set a timer aswell, so if your ship gets popped within x minutes after you have punched out, KM is recorded with your loss. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
245
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:24:00 -
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Never heard of mails being lost for killing ships regardless of pilot location.
Could be a bug related to the SD/eject though, so report it as such.
Scuttling itself will (hopefully) never change in a manner that you suggest, if a person chooses to chomp down on his cyanide to prevent you from beating him to death, it is on you to stop him. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:45:00 -
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Byron D wrote:Ok, if someone ejects from a ship and you kill it, you still get a killmail. So either check your combat log better, or stop lying. On a side note, ppl who eject from T3s before dying, do it so they don't lose SP.
Also, learn to link properly.
Also, IGB is a crap corp and you are the worst wanna be FC ever. And you seem a terrible person too.
07 SLAPD alt ....
... u mad? BTW it is not IGB but IBS ... have fun
well anyway ... if the km is not lost have to report it, because we poped it.
to people not being very good in eve ... warping to same instaundock with t3 (where we killed his 2 other ships in last 15 minutes) is kinda special. .... but i know this guy is special ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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DevilDog11101775
Buccaneers of New Eden The Forsaken.
4
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:02:00 -
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To confirm:
1. If pilots ejects you still get a kill mail and it also get recorded as a loss the the pilot who ejected. 2. He knew you guys were gonna kill him so he ejected so no SP was lost.
I would petition and report it.
Fly safe |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters
19
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:03:00 -
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He mad Is sexy time? |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
930
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:14:00 -
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Not to add, just confirming shooting an empty ship will still generate a KM against the last person that sat in it.
And I'm not entirely convinced that self-destruct continues on an empty ship, I do believe that gets cancelled as well. You cannot, however, board a ship that's locked by another ship.
It sounds like the OP is basically ********. |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
83
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:35:00 -
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Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Mutnin
Mutineers
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:57:00 -
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Like it or not, but KM denial is a tactic just as any other, granted a crappy one but it serves its purpose of pissing off the guys killing you. ?It's also a way to deny loot drops. |
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:10:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Not to add, just confirming shooting an empty ship will still generate a KM against the last person that sat in it.
And I'm not entirely convinced that self-destruct continues on an empty ship, I do believe that gets cancelled as well. You cannot, however, board a ship that's locked by another ship.
It sounds like the OP is basically ********.
probably ... funny after years in eve this sort of tactics I met seriously used first time ... saw some sds on caps etc. ... well so far i think we will get the killmail ... which is something i am interested more. we tried to board it and it said we cannot ... due to sd running .... but lessonslearned IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Lledrith
Ex Caminus
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:03:00 -
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dont call it an Exploit. seems to me is working as intended.
the ships is protecting the pilot from committing suicide. yo can't cancel something you didnt initiate in the first place.
EvE is so great. tears seems to come in different style and fashion. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:27:00 -
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Lledrith wrote:dont call it an Exploit. seems to me is working as intended. the ships is protecting the pilot from committing suicide. yo can't cancel something you didnt initiate in the first place. EvE is so great. tears seems to come in different style and fashion.
I did not call it exploit but "exploit" .... i see it as a valid tactics (if no emotions on the scene), problem is lack of km available to post and wave our epeens :) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:50:00 -
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So what you are saying is killmails should be removed from the game. I approve this message and/or service. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:38:00 -
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Cartheron Crust wrote:So what you are saying is killmails should be removed from the game. I approve this message and/or service. Low level trollish ... Arghh failed to it ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
27
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:41:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote: - disable selfdestruct option if aggro (not veryu happy about it though) - deliver km of empty ship with last blow even if sd GÇô if it had aggro Or any other creative change that would disable this ****.
Same is with scooping ships into carriers if it is going down GÇô u cannot scoop agressed ship.
Sounds like you want him to do the "honorable" thing and take a KM loss. At this point I'd like to quote I.BS corp description "There is no honor in war .... so do not seek it here" Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
746
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:25:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves. This. You get a T3 pilot to eject, you need to bring in your own to fly the ship home.
Free T3 > T3 killmail.
Only one pays for the next round of wardecs. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
24
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:08:00 -
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If a player is about to lose and self destructs, a KM should be created On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
28
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Posted - 2012.01.11 04:43:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:If a player is about to lose and self destructs, a KM should be created Tbh if someone manages to SD their ship, fair game to them.
Having the same SD timer for an Aeon as a Rifter though? Now that is stupid. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.11 04:57:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves. This. You get a T3 pilot to eject, you need to bring in your own to fly the ship home. Free T3 > T3 killmail. Only one pays for the next round of wardecs.
we tried ... however sd timer prevent us from boarding
to pulgy .... DFC about honor .... just want that killmail ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
917
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Posted - 2012.01.11 06:31:00 -
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Why don't you fit more stabs to your ship and cowardly warp out leaving your blob to klil stuff about it?
Crying about valid tactics when you are one of the worst exploiters of cheap tactics yourself is rather rich.
Also reported for homophobia. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.11 07:49:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Why don't you fit more stabs to your ship and cowardly warp out leaving your blob to klil stuff about it?
Crying about valid tactics when you are one of the worst exploiters of cheap tactics yourself is rather rich.
Also reported for homophobia.
still hurt kid? IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
8
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Posted - 2012.01.11 15:07:00 -
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I hate Caldari since they cant fight a Dramiel without a blob but I do agree that you shouldnt be able to Self Destruct when you have Aggroe |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
939
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:21:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Why don't you fit more stabs to your ship and cowardly warp out leaving your blob to klil stuff about it?
Crying about valid tactics when you are one of the worst exploiters of cheap tactics yourself is rather rich.
Also reported for homophobia. still hurt kid? No, you never killed me but its just amusing to see you upset about other people doing things to avoid combat. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Amana Tsasa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:00:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:... but I do agree that you shouldnt be able to Self Destruct when you have Aggroe
I don't see as i could agree to this, as Self Destruct in any and all forms, ever has always been about denial of some possession, structure, or asset to an enemy force that would have a better than likely chance of being able to take it. From the actual usage of a self destruction avenue, this T3 pilot (while doing it for a different reason) used the Self Destruct for exactly what a Self Destruct is meant to be used for, denial of something to an enemy. |
Aldous Borrn
Originated Saviors
1
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:31:00 -
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Amana Tsasa wrote:Galatica789 wrote:... but I do agree that you shouldnt be able to Self Destruct when you have Aggroe I don't see as i could agree to this, as Self Destruct in any and all forms, ever has always been about denial of some possession, structure, or asset to an enemy force that would have a better than likely chance of being able to take it. From the actual usage of a self destruction avenue, this T3 pilot (while doing it for a different reason) used the Self Destruct for exactly what a Self Destruct is meant to be used for, denial of something to an enemy.
QFT
If there was no way to SD in aggro, why would anybody anywhere SD? |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
1
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Posted - 2012.01.11 23:08:00 -
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Aldous Borrn wrote:
QFT
If there was no way to SD in aggro, why would there be a SD?
Fixed since location would become moot.
I wish I had used SD to deny my bear loss when I was learning the ropes of the game, though I suspect if I had the sense to use it, I wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with.
Complaining about someone using SD is like complaining you couldn't warp because you were pointed, or that you know it can be done, you know people will use it, so don't act like someone **** in your bed when it happens.
Note: not knowing the exact process for a KM from a SD ship, I would say that if you clearly where attacking through the duration of the self destruct then sure thats somewhat stupid, but other than that the arguments about SD being "unfair" sound like a child who just had their toy taken away by their mommy. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:39:00 -
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funny ccp is not able to reply to my petition for a week ... omg... such a SLAs IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 23:53:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/killmail-denial-service-possible-improvement/read my post and comment please Lads and gents, this is gonna be creative one. As we are now facing pretty decent amount of faggots we faced problem of killmail denial GÇ£exploitGÇ¥. Please no rage about using word exploit. It is probably valid tactics, what sucks is that nobody gets kill mail. What happened while we were killing the Tengu. 0. SLAPD pilot found he cannot win and his tengu will end in flames 1.he set self destruct 2. jumped out of ship in pod 3. we tried to board the ship GÇô it is not possible because it is set to selfdesruct 4. we poped the ship to make economical damage, but we knew km is lost. Is there a way to get the kmail? If not I would propose to change one of the following when u have aggro. Similar change which canceled the sucky logoffski ****. - disable selfdestruct option if aggro (not veryu happy about it though) - deliver km of empty ship with last blow even if sd GÇô if it had aggro Or any other creative change that would disable this ****. Same is with scooping ships into carriers if it is going down GÇô u cannot scoop agressed ship. PVP should be about kills and tactics and less about exploiting. Hidden Snake GÇ¥ The BusdriverGÇ¥
This isn't an exploit. I applaud the Tengu pilot for ejecting. You forget that by doing that he avoids losing skills needed to operate a Tengu.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Strategic_cruisers
Quote:Hint: If you lose your tech 3 ship, you will lose a single level of one (random) racial subsystems skill. For example, you are flying the Amarr Legion ship and your subsystems skills are all at level 3. You are attacked and lose the ship, the system selects one random subsystems skill and brings it down to level 2. Please note that you do not lose skills if you eject from or self destruct a tech 3 ship.
I can't speak for any other vessel, but Tech 3 cruisers have a legitimate excuse to do so and calling them out for it is beating a dead horse. |
Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:24:00 -
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Amana Tsasa wrote:Galatica789 wrote:... but I do agree that you shouldnt be able to Self Destruct when you have Aggroe I don't see as i could agree to this, as Self Destruct in any and all forms, ever has always been about denial of some possession, structure, or asset to an enemy force that would have a better than likely chance of being able to take it. From the actual usage of a self destruction avenue, this T3 pilot (while doing it for a different reason) used the Self Destruct for exactly what a Self Destruct is meant to be used for, denial of something to an enemy.
this ^ |
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