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Creepin
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:30:00 -
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When browsing char selling threads I regularly see statement like "has positive wallet", and questions like "does it has positive wallet?" when this statement is absent. As far as I know, one couldn't drop char's wallet below zero, so what this hassle is about?
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Ithoriel
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ithoriel on 13/07/2007 14:37:19 If you buy iskies from e-bay, for example, and CCP catch you they will either ban you or remove the iskies you bought. In the latter case you may wind up with no cash depending on what you started with, what you spent meantime and how much you bought.
Also if you get a ship returned after a petition they will recover the insurance payment. If you already spent it again you can wind up with a negative wallet.
I'm sure there may be other ways but those are examples.
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Creepin
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:40:00 -
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I see, thanks :)
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Shanur
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:40:00 -
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This most likely (especially if questions are asked about it) refers to character trades. Negative wallet measn indeed that your wallet has a negative balance, preventing it completely from doing any trading due to an inability to pay sales tax or broker fees.
There is only one way (outside of very exotic bugs) to get a negative wallet: The GM's discovered that the character was in posession of ISK that had been obtained illegitimately (either trough a form of macroing, a duping exploit or by buying it trough any channel other than the GTC trade) and deleted all ISK found to be obtained in violation of the EULA. This is done by creating a transaction that books off any ISK the transaction logs show to be obtained illegitimately, and as such doesn't just stop at zeroing out a player's wallet. It takes as much ISK out of it as was found to have gone in from an illegal source at some point. Even if that brings the wallet far into the red.
Because this correction is essentially punishment for cheating, there is no compassion at all shown to players who are afflicted by this, and characters with negative wallet can only hope to slowly grind away their (often massive) debt by doing simple L1 missions and ratting sec 0.7 belt rats (anything harder will probably be impossible in a civillian ship). Understandably, characters that are virtually unplayable and effectively branded cheaters are not very popular or desirable to buy trough the character transfer market.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Defcon One Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:40:00 -
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A character may have negative wallet if : -You have the skill to reduce the isk you put in a buy order. It blocks X% isk and you need to have the other 100-X% in your wallet or go negative. -You had a ship reimbursed and spent the insurance in stuff and when the GM took the money back, you got in negative. -You bought isk for real money and a GM took it back from you because it is forbidden (you could get banned for that). -You used something else and had a GM take money from you, maybe like something that wasn't yet considered as an exploit that you used to make isk, but I think it's more banning directly for exploits than just getting isk and stuff back.
As characters sold may have high skills, they usually ahve the said trade skill and can get in negative when the owner takes all the isk off the char and it has buy orders open. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! The Vexor Navy Issue is much more fun than the Myrmidon !
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Shanur
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:41:00 -
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Ok. Didn't know it also applied to reimbursements. At least in that case the negative wallet will typically be an overcomable amount, and you will have a ship that can rat it away faster.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:32:00 -
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The only other way I know of to get a negative wallet is to be caught carrying contraband and get fined.
Currently though, I believe Customs agents are on an extended donut break.
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