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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.08 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abram I agree with the pay per view point of view, it being like a movie etc but lets not loose site of the fact this is a "news channel" Their is no news channel in the world accept EVE TV that is pay per view, yes i agree with movies and major sport events this is acceptable but doing this for a news channel is not.
Keep stating your point of views and arguments people it will force change in time otherwise they will loose credit subscribers.
BTW i really enjoy EVE TV and my respect to those who organise it.
Just to point out, BBC, Sky and some other well known news organizations are using Jalipo also.
Abram, why is it acceptable or not how they present the show? They need money and it was the most obvious solution. Albeit Jalipo is a terrible provider for it, and since you can't rewatch things it makes it even worse, but in the end EVETV needs money to continue running.
What makes a once a week "issues in game" (i don't think calling it "news" is 100% correct either, even though they present it as a news program.) different enough from a sporting event? I'll tell you.
The sporting event's pay per view will bring in a LOT more money, because it's audience is a lot wider and more inclined to want to pay to watch it. Most likely because it's a special match or a final. I'm taking the WWE as the most obvious example as I see that being PPV and at the cinemas a lot.
In order for PPV to work well, you need to have the audience to support it. And encourage some reason to view it on the pay per view rather than wait 10 minutes and get it for free later.. Because I'm sure the PPV wrestling is put on the internet and even broadcast on some TV stations 10 minutes after it's done live. EVETV neither has the audience, nor the reason to view it directly from Jalipo or any other site directly while paying for it.
With all due respect to Xyliana and the rest of EVETV, but you guys made a bad choice with what seems like very little thought. And if you did have a reason behind choosing Jalipo, please by all means put me in my place and tell us. But from what we've seen it's been a bad distribution method (paying per show, can't rewatch) to pick.
My big idea
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Remotion
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Posted - 2007.08.08 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Remotion on 08/08/2007 15:42:10 put it this way i had a person nock on my door half way thru a show now i have to pay 5 dollars again becuase i got a knock at the door. thats total crap if you ask me im not going to pay for somthing twice cuase i got a phone call. and another thing last week it took over all my credits to watch a show it took all of what i had and ask me to top up for more this is starting to anger me. if you pause it for a ammount of time it charges you for being paused also now this is enought either fix it or lose a customer your choice.
also y dont you make a pole for customers that actualy pay to watch this like me and see if they think it would be fair to have the right to view it again after we paid for it. i also get the magazine and i dont have to pay for that everytime i open the cover. please fix this.... i can understand for the trial people but not for the paying customer.
if you dont fix this for the people that do pay then you will lose more customers and have more people figure out how to copy your shows and stream them for everyone else it happens on everything eventualy but i actualy pay for it and am not into piracy altho the way this is going i would actualy think about it and im truley sorry to say that.
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.09 05:15:00 -
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Why didn't you pause it? I've had no problem pausing to watch later.
My big idea
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Abram
Caldari Master Miners Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 07:49:00 -
[94]
Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:12:00 -
[95]
I really wish people would stop saying "Information wants to be free" out of context
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Vertex Eisenstein
Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.11 14:55:00 -
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I will not be buying any more credits.
For 2 weeks running I have lost the stream halfway through with an error such as "we cannot locate the stream". This doesnt seem to be a problem at my end, as I never lost connection to my ISP and other sites continued to load. This is totally unacceptable if you then have to pay again!
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prsr
Gallente JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Maybe there's a better way than the current one, but at the end of the day you will have to pay for EVE TV somehow, or there won't be an EVE TV.
Kinda late, but...
It's not like people that aren't paying now will care whether or not there is EVE TV. -- .sig apathy ftw |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: prsr
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Maybe there's a better way than the current one, but at the end of the day you will have to pay for EVE TV somehow, or there won't be an EVE TV.
Kinda late, but...
It's not like people that aren't paying now will care whether or not there is EVE TV.
and the people that do care would like a better option to give CCP money. yes it's not owned by CCP, but they make money form it. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
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Qin Yu
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Posted - 2007.08.11 23:49:00 -
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Two main issues
1) You can get enough free credit to watch a single episode with an email. Merely creating several email addresses allows you to watch episodes for free.
This needs to be fixed.
2) I watched an episode and was part way through it then the connection crashed and despite my net still running and still able to use the internet was unable to establish a connection with the channel. I lost all the credit I used watching the episode and would be forced to watch the stuff I've already seen (costing more of credit to get to the same point.)
This also needs fixing.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.12 05:02:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Qin Yu Two main issues
1) You can get enough free credit to watch a single episode with an email. Merely creating several email addresses allows you to watch episodes for free.
Heard of 2prong or Mailinator? You don't need to make email addresses.
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EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Qin Yu
2) I watched an episode and was part way through it then the connection crashed and despite my net still running and still able to use the internet was unable to establish a connection with the channel. I lost all the credit I used watching the episode and would be forced to watch the stuff I've already seen (costing more of credit to get to the same point.)
This also needs fixing.
This seems to be a big issue. But it's easily remedied on my pc.
Try to recall where in the video you were, keep the movie paused until that spot is loaded and a little more. Move to that point and unpause it.
I haven't tested this because I haven't had to, but I'm pretty confident it would work, here's why:
Jalipo uses a per minute billing system, so for every minute that the video has been playing you get credits deducted from your account.
Someone will need to test this, so I can't garantee it works, as there are a couple of reasons it may not.
Such as if they use a simple subtraction for credit deduction rather than playtime. (3 minutes left of a 6 minutes viewed = 3 minutes deducted).
My big idea
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The Provisioner
Amarr Neutral Ground
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:25:00 -
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The player seems to poll the credits total every few minutes, you can pause and it wont deduct the credits. If you drag the slider while its playing, it will only deduct for how long this takes (paused or not) and therefore only charge for what you watch (this has been tested on both my laptop and main pc). So, if it crashes, you can jump back to any point on the timeline later and not lose credits. --------------------------------- |
Coconut Joe
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Abram Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
The actual bottom line is that if you don't like it, don't watch.
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Templer Relleg
Endgame. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.12 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
Originally by: Abram Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
The actual bottom line is that if you don't like it, don't watch.
But because someone doesnt like jalipo, it doesnt mean they dont like evetv.
I for one like evetv, but i cant stand jalipo.
Now stop playing cool and ignorant. Its not cool.
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.12 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
Originally by: Abram Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
The actual bottom line is that if you don't like it, don't watch.
Sorry, but that's like saying if you don't like lag don't play eve. Its a stupid position to take
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Abram
Caldari Master Miners Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
Originally by: Abram Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
The actual bottom line is that if you don't like it, don't watch.
Yes but i do like it so my bottom line still stands, end of your topic
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Templer Relleg
Endgame. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.13 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Abram
Originally by: Coconut Joe
Originally by: Abram Bottom line is having to keep paying to view is un-acceptable. End of topic.
The actual bottom line is that if you don't like it, don't watch.
Yes but i do like it so my bottom line still stands, end of your topic
Stop being ignorant. Just because you cant see the problem(Tells more about you than evetv), it doesnt mean your right.
Majority of the community think its a major problem, and i have been arguing over this very topic for 8 months. But nobody listens.
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Remotion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 21:36:00 -
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they sent me a credit so im very happy about that altho i think i one day viewing time would be a great idea or i digital download with drm for a certin ammount of time.
Thanks alan for the credit back
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Qin Yu Two main issues
1) You can get enough free credit to watch a single episode with an email. Merely creating several email addresses allows you to watch episodes for free.
Heard of 2prong or Mailinator? You don't need to make email addresses.
I keep a random folder of links. Here's one.
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Reverend William
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.23 04:49:00 -
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Wait, what? Why doesn't Eve TV run on advertisements? If ESPN or comedy central can let me watch long streamed videos all day long online and only have to watch a commercial every few minutes, whats the big deal? You can't tell me that a community with 200k users is going to have a difficult time finding sponsors. Nvidia, Intel, Energy drinks, 3 easy sells right off the top of my head. This isn't rocket science. I will gladly watch commercials to watch eve tv, but there's no way I'm playing it once and never again for a fee.
PS Sorry if this is a an old topic/suggestion. Been missing for a little bit =) |
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Dark Guardian
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Posted - 2007.08.28 23:34:00 -
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So, I've heard that Evetv is looking into a system that might allow people to watch without being forced into Jalipo. I'm assuming the discussion on that has stalled, leading to keeping evetv Jalipo only, and requiring double payment to watch the same episode twice.
Is this still the case? (note: not a yes/no question, please be specific :)) |
Kodiak31415
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.29 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kodiak31415 on 29/08/2007 06:32:35 If I was allowed to download episodes I would pay for eve TV.
And I bet that I am far from the only one with this opinion. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot |
KarateKid
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.29 23:20:00 -
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I haven't read the whole thread. But why not make an option to subscribe to EveTV? So you can either pay pr view, or pay a set monthly fee to watch the available episodes as many times as you like?
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Obed
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: KarateKid I haven't read the whole thread. But why not make an option to subscribe to EveTV? So you can either pay pr view, or pay a set monthly fee to watch the available episodes as many times as you like?
Sounds like a sensible idea - simply have an option under the account section to subscribe to EVE TV, in a similar way to EVE Voice. At the moment I've seen one episode using the free credits, but I wouldn't pay to view any more given the inability to watch them again without being charged.
Something that I could accept however would be using the "DVD rental" business model. For example I pay something like ú10 a month to watch up to 6 films. If you adopted a similar business model then the way it would work is:
1) Pay úx a month. 2) View up to x amount of videos online, as many times as you want. 3) At the end of the month you pick your selections for the following month (which could be things you've already viewed or things that are scheduled to show). 4) Customer gets bored of EVE TV? They simply stop their subscription and lose access at the end of the month.
Much better then how it works at the moment IMHO, while still protecting your revenue stream.
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