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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 11:54:05 Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 11:53:14 It seams alot of people are posting whines about, not cloaks, but Recon ships, they obivously DON'T understand the Recon, and I AM talking about the Recon here NOT the Force recon, Got that?
The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part. If you know there is one guy sat cloaked in his pilgrim shall we say, That Pilgrim (providing he is a solo Pilot) has to be VERY careful about picking his targets. Anything With a MWD or anything Caldari(Hell i wouldn't take on a highly skilled Blackbird pilot) posses a MAJOR threat too this perticular ship.
If, for example, there are 2 or 3 of you in the system and theres a cloaker with a Pilgrim, and you are all active, the chances of the Pilgrim attacking you are very slim...as most RECONS (NOT FORCE RECONS AS THEY CAN'T CLOAK WHILE WARPING...GOT THAT YET? GOOD) can't insta pop you, it can take a while to take down even a cruise with a semi ok tank.
My piont is this. The Recon isn't a ream machine and if you know what type is soloing around it can be easily countered. It's not a cloaking Titan ffs.
NOW STOP WHINNING! ETC!
So hands up for the if you want to NERF the Cloaking moaners
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Oki Riverson So hands up for the if you want to NERF the Cloaking moaners
o/
Eh, I see their point, what they don't get is that if they use a dictor, something else and some common sense they'll catch and pod this nano-recon or whatever and he'll get all sad and go grief someone else.
Whoa, sentence.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 15/07/2007 12:03:24 Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 15/07/2007 12:02:13 Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 15/07/2007 12:00:44
Originally by: Oki Riverson
The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part.
Read a little more.
You need to differentiate between Force recons and Combat recons.
Just to correct you.. CovOps and Force Recon CAN use CovOps cloak 2 allowing them to warp while cloaked
Stealth Bombers and Combat Recons CANNOT use CovOps cloak 2 and therefor cannot warp cloaked.
Combat Recons and Stealth Bombers are the main damage dealers of the 2. Combat recons have "more teeth" then force recons do.
This according to the many posts I've read in Ships and Modules.. though there are a few that say that Force recons cannot warp while cloaked.. the jast majority seem to say it can indeed warp cloaked.
Personally Im thinking you are confusing force and combat recons ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:05:00 -
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Yup i got my Recons mixed up....only human, cba changing the post...I need coffee.
Force Recon = Warp Cloaked Combat Recon = Not Warp Cloaked
What he said ^_^
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oki Riverson
The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part. If you know there is one guy sat cloaked in his pilgrim shall we say, That Pilgrim (providing he is a solo Pilot) has to be VERY careful about picking his targets. Anything With a MWD or anything Caldari(Hell i wouldn't take on a highly skilled Blackbird pilot) posses a MAJOR threat too this perticular ship.
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:13:52 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Force recons CAN FIT COVERT OPS CLOAKS. Hence Force recons are the only recon cruisers that CAN warp cloaked. It's Combat Recons that cannot jump cloaked.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier. ________________
DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit |
Auraurious
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:10:00 -
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the pilgrim is a beast, i wouldnt think twice on shooting most ships in it, aslong as you have it well fitted. _____________________________________________
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Paithos on 15/07/2007 12:13:08
Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: Oki Riverson
The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part. If you know there is one guy sat cloaked in his pilgrim shall we say, That Pilgrim (providing he is a solo Pilot) has to be VERY careful about picking his targets. Anything With a MWD or anything Caldari(Hell i wouldn't take on a highly skilled Blackbird pilot) posses a MAJOR threat too this perticular ship.
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
Yeah, but it has 6 mids, right? So it can have that, mwd, and 2 points of scram. It doesn't get a nos range bonus, so it has to have faction nos or orbit close to web range/within overheated web range. Just try to kill its drones (once you eventually lock, or using drone aggro), or fit two points of wcs (yay), or web it, or fit sensor boosters and shoot it with something that tracks and lol.
Oh, and starting to use cloaked dictors might make a lone recon pilot -seriously- paranoid.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: Oki Riverson
The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part. If you know there is one guy sat cloaked in his pilgrim shall we say, That Pilgrim (providing he is a solo Pilot) has to be VERY careful about picking his targets. Anything With a MWD or anything Caldari(Hell i wouldn't take on a highly skilled Blackbird pilot) posses a MAJOR threat too this perticular ship.
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
Considering a Quad Phased-Muon Curse with 3x Heavy Launchers x2 med Nos, better range and a tank STILL has more Teeth and that lunatic idea of a Pilgrim setup. Yes it still has less Teeth.
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:10:57 you have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Also Combat recons don't even get a basic cloaking bonus, meaning fitting a cloak to a combat recon is no different from fitting a cloak on any T1 ship.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier.
Read my other post? instead of skipping them? k?
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:22:13
Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:10:57 you have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Also Combat recons don't even get a basic cloaking bonus, meaning fitting a cloak to a combat recon is no different from fitting a cloak on any T1 ship.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier.
Read my other post? instead of skipping them? k?
Read my post. Also like i said i've flown Recon Cruisers so i know what i'm talking about, unlike you.
Originally by: Oki Riverson The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part.
This is blatently incorrect as Force Recons are the ONLY Recon cruisers that can warp while cloaked, you have no idea what you're talking about. The very core of your arguement doesn't even make sense.
Force Recon = Warping Cloaked Combat Recon = More firepower but no cloak bonus.
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:20:01
Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:10:57 you have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Also Combat recons don't even get a basic cloaking bonus, meaning fitting a cloak to a combat recon is no different from fitting a cloak on any T1 ship.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier.
Read my other post? instead of skipping them? k?
Read my post
Originally by: Oki Riverson The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part.
This is blatently incorrect as Force Recons are the ONLY Recon cruisers that can warp while cloaked, you have no idea what you're talking about. The very core of your arguement doesn't even make sense.
Force Recon = Warping Cloaked Combat Recon = More firepower but no cloak bonus.
Fixed the mix up in my post...Happy now?
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Oki Riverson
Fixed the mix up in my post...Happy now?
No you must quit eve after this forum humiliation
But yeah force recons tend to be fragile as hell, apart from the pilgrim.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:20:01
Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:10:57 you have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Also Combat recons don't even get a basic cloaking bonus, meaning fitting a cloak to a combat recon is no different from fitting a cloak on any T1 ship.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier.
Read my other post? instead of skipping them? k?
Read my post
Originally by: Oki Riverson The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part.
This is blatently incorrect as Force Recons are the ONLY Recon cruisers that can warp while cloaked, you have no idea what you're talking about. The very core of your arguement doesn't even make sense.
Force Recon = Warping Cloaked Combat Recon = More firepower but no cloak bonus.
Fixed the mix up in my post...Happy now?
Still doesn't change the faction that you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. ________________
DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benefit |
Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:28:00 -
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I'm all for recon and intelligence gathering...
But I like to think there should be something more to stealth than pressing F1.
What skill. What incredible deftness. Your ninja reflexes astound me the way you pressed F1.
Pfft.
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
No. How would that look?
From my point of view (as amarr recon pilot) it's useless and actually a bit disgusting to nano a pilgrim. A curse is ofc wonderful for that because of the nos range bonus.
But with a pilgrim you cant nos over 12km. And with 1 x mwd, 1 x scram, 3 x damp you will not even have an injector so you will have cap problems very fast. You are also neglecting both the nos and the td bonus. How is that any viable? I might understand a try with 2 x muon + injector if it werent for the curse.
Pilgrim is a close range ship and people who nano a pilgrim have smoked too much fotm. What the op should try is 2 x damp + ecm burst for missile boats which can help. Fofs may force you to disengage, but a lot of people just don't carry any until you remind them of how useful they are.
Apart from that: As the op states (more or less...) pilgrim is a balanced ship. Every cut on its abilities might hit it too hard. You can take some bs/bcs solo in a pilgrim, but its always at high risk. Small piloting errors can cost your life and a single support-cruiser with mwd can indeed ruin your day. Basically its a 1v1 ship and thats really *all* its good at. In a gang a pilgrim isnt half as much worth/valuable as any other recon. So yes don't nerf covert ops cloaks. Pilgrim and the other force-recons need it. badly.
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
I'm all for recon and intelligence gathering...
But I like to think there should be something more to stealth than pressing F1.
What skill. What incredible deftness. Your ninja reflexes astound me the way you pressed F1.
Pfft.
There is...It's called not warping into the Asteriods...being decloaked, hang up unable to warp and being popped by some BS rats in 0.0 xD
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: jilahed
Originally by: Roger Arko
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
No. How would that look?
From my point of view (as amarr recon pilot) it's useless and actually a bit disgusting to nano a pilgrim. A curse is ofc wonderful for that because of the nos range bonus.
But with a pilgrim you cant nos over 12km. And with 1 x mwd, 1 x scram, 3 x damp you will not even have an injector so you will have cap problems very fast. You are also neglecting both the nos and the td bonus. How is that any viable? I might understand a try with 2 x muon + injector if it werent for the curse.
Pilgrim is a close range ship and people who nano a pilgrim have smoked too much fotm. What the op should try is 2 x damp + ecm burst for missile boats which can help. Fofs may force you to disengage, but a lot of people just don't carry any until you remind them of how useful they are.
Apart from that: As the op states (more or less...) pilgrim is a balanced ship. Every cut on its abilities might hit it too hard. You can take some bs/bcs solo in a pilgrim, but its always at high risk. Small piloting errors can cost your life and a single support-cruiser with mwd can indeed ruin your day. Basically its a 1v1 ship and thats really *all* its good at. In a gang a pilgrim isnt half as much worth/valuable as any other recon. So yes don't nerf covert ops cloaks. Pilgrim and the other force-recons need it. badly.
/me Completly Agree's!
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Oki Riverson
Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:20:01
Originally by: Oki Riverson
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 15/07/2007 12:10:57 you have no idea what you're talking about. Covert ops cloak = warp cloaked. Also Combat recons don't even get a basic cloaking bonus, meaning fitting a cloak to a combat recon is no different from fitting a cloak on any T1 ship.
Force Recons "Can fit Covert Ops Cloak" Arazu Pilgrim Falcon Rapier
Combat Recons "Cannot fit Covert Ops Cloak" Lachesis Curse Rook Huginn
It even says which ones are Force Recons and which are Combat Recons in the description. Force recons CAN warp while cloaked, it's the combat recons that can. I didn't even bother reading your post since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. BTW I own a huginn/rapier.
Read my other post? instead of skipping them? k?
Read my post
Originally by: Oki Riverson The standard Recon(Not the force recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its force counter part.
This is blatently incorrect as Force Recons are the ONLY Recon cruisers that can warp while cloaked, you have no idea what you're talking about. The very core of your arguement doesn't even make sense.
Force Recon = Warping Cloaked Combat Recon = More firepower but no cloak bonus.
Fixed the mix up in my post...Happy now?
Still doesn't change the faction that you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
Its obivously a "FACTION" you play too much Eve.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:56:00 -
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Quote: I'm all for recon and intelligence gathering...
But I like to think there should be something more to stealth than pressing F1.
What skill. What incredible deftness. Your ninja reflexes astound me the way you pressed F1.
Pfft.
It amazes me what some of you people pick and choose to dumb down depending on whether you like/use it or think it should be in the game.
I'm sorry, but is F1-F8 somehow more impressive than what you described above?
I mean seriously now, you are mocking a shortcut to activate a cloaking device. What do you want people to do? Calculate some quantum physics mathematics before they are allowed to cloak?
Quote: But I like to think there should be something more to stealth than pressing F1.
you just ooze ignorance with these statements.
that's like saying: I wish there was something more to undocking than pressing the undock button
I wish there was something more to seige mode and pressing the seige button
I wish there was something more to missiles than pressing F1-F8.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:34:00 -
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Personally, i'm against covops and *force* recons (ships using covops cloak) being probe-able. Everythign else, should depend on signature radius. A cloaked Titan should be as easy to detect as an uncloaked Titan, while a cloaked frig should be quite hard to probe. It'd help kill cloaking battleships and that sort of thing, while not giving too much of a nerf to small ships cloaking.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Oki Riverson Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 12:41:43 Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 12:20:07 Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 11:54:05 Edited by: Oki Riverson on 15/07/2007 11:53:14 It seams alot of people are posting whines about, not cloaks, but Recon ships, they obivously DON'T understand the Recon, and I AM talking about the Force Recon here NOT the Combat Recon, Got that?
The Force Recon(Not the Combat Recon, which btw the way CAN'T warp when cloaked) has considerably LESS teeth than its Combat counter part. If you know there is one guy sat cloaked in his pilgrim shall we say, That Pilgrim (providing he is a solo Pilot) has to be VERY careful about picking his targets. Anything With a MWD or anything Caldari(Hell i wouldn't take on a highly skilled Blackbird pilot) posses a MAJOR threat too this perticular ship.
If, for example, there are 2 or 3 of you in the system and theres a cloaker with a Pilgrim, and you are all active, the chances of the Pilgrim attacking you are very slim...as most FORCE RECONS (NOT COMBAT RECONS AS THEY CAN'T CLOAK WHILE WARPING...GOT THAT YET? GOOD) can't insta pop you, it can take a while to take down even a cruise with a semi ok tank.
My piont is this. The Force Recon isn't a ream machine and if you know what type is soloing around it can be easily countered. It's not a cloaking Titan ffs.
NOW STOP WHINNING! ETC!
So hands up for the if you want to NERF the Cloaking moaners
o/
This post actually made my hangover worse. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: jilahed
Originally by: Roger Arko
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
No. How would that look?
TS nos range 15km. 3 damps with rigs is like 9%(correct me if im wrong) of locking range. Under 15km locking range for BS's. You can easily go close range to redeploy the drones if victim get a lock on them...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:04:00 -
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/signed ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
that's like saying: I wish there was something more to undocking than pressing the undock button
I wish there was something more to seige mode and pressing the seige button
I wish there was something more to missiles than pressing F1-F8.
There are counters to all those things.
When you dock, everybody knows you're inside the station, they can wait for you.
When you enter siege mode, you're stationary so you need support to protect you.
When you press F1-F8, they might have more friends and you die first.
When you press cloak, thats it you're cloaked.
Even in more primitive games there are counters to cloaking, its not one button %100 invisibility.
I was a cloaker in Planetside, there were literally 10+ counters to cloaking, motion sensors, radar facility, darklight, or just plain looking real close at your monitor to see the faint outline of a guy crouch walking. It actually took (ohmygosh) SKILL to avoid detection.
You would think a deep, complex sim like Eve would have all sorts of electronics devices, complicated "cloak signature scanning array mark 2" or something, so some guy who spent 6 months skilling up electronics could have a 1/100 chance of finding you.
But no, the community has spoken, one button permanent invis with no counters is balanced.
So be it.
Just don't whine about it when it gets popular and we get entire cloaked fleets trying to find each other. Oh yeah that should be fun. Not.
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Kunming
adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:45:00 -
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I dont understand the nano-pilgrim, you're much better off with a nano-curse. From experience I can say, if u die in a nano-curse it was definetly your mistake.
Besides the only recon that gives me shivers is the huginn/rapier, though that might be cause I use blasterboats frequently..
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: jilahed
Originally by: Roger Arko
Heard about nano-pilgrim with tripple phased muon?
No. How would that look?
TS nos range 15km. 3 damps with rigs is like 9%(correct me if im wrong) of locking range. Under 15km locking range for BS's. You can easily go close range to redeploy the drones if victim get a lock on them...
Yeah, but curse is just much, much, much better for this and it doesn't need mega-expensive faction nos. Also many BS fit SB and 15km is a tight margin this means your dampening must be pretty good. The rigs will help but you won't be able to use weight-reduction rigs which are standard with nanofits and actually quite a prerequisite for a decent fit.
And going close in with a nano-setup what do you mean? You should call your drones back here and then so that they get out of the locking range of your enemy and he has to start again with locking them. (well thats what i do in my curse -never have problems with my drones apart from fofs) I don't see any reason or motivation to go in close.
How fast is your nano-pilgrim? Why don't you use the curse - you obviously could if you use the pilgrim. Does the cloak help you so much that the smaller margin of error (curse can orbit at 28-29k if we talk faction and use up to 4 damps or 3 + lse2, it drains more or has additional dmg) is worth it?
No offence i am sure you can work with that fitting effectively - only wouldn't you yourself think a curse might be even better suited?
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:59:00 -
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What's this about Combat Recons?
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.15 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Just don't whine about it when it gets popular and we get entire cloaked fleets trying to find each other. Oh yeah that should be fun. Not.
Fleets only consisting of force recons. Yes. You certainly know about what you are talking here.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.15 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
that's like saying: I wish there was something more to undocking than pressing the undock button
I wish there was something more to seige mode and pressing the seige button
I wish there was something more to missiles than pressing F1-F8.
There are counters to all those things.
When you dock, everybody knows you're inside the station, they can wait for you.
When you enter siege mode, you're stationary so you need support to protect you.
When you press F1-F8, they might have more friends and you die first.
When you press cloak, thats it you're cloaked.
Um... also when you are cloaked, you cant do anything but look at stuff... You cant attack!! I think thats a pretty big draw back, heh. You also need to be careful where you move, for fear of being decloaked.
Originally by: Cipher7 *Stuff about planetside*
Never played it, But here are a few questions... 1)Were you able to attack while remaining cloaked, or did you have to decloak to attack? 2)Were these stealthy manuvers coupled with some form of nber-attack that can one-hit-kill your targets?
Dependind on the answers to these questions, we shall see the validity of this analogy.
Originally by: Cipher7 Just don't whine about it when it gets popular and we get entire cloaked fleets trying to find each other. Oh yeah that should be fun. Not.
You do know that Recon ships have been out for a long time now, right? If my memory serves me right, its been over a year since they were released. Im sure if it was as overpowered as you think it is, there whould be alot of forum whines about cloaking fleets. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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