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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:26:00 -
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This is a Khanid Navy Issue Omen. You can see it around gates in the Khanid region, but it isn't playable. I suggest it should be made obtainable through the Khanid corp's LP stores and made playable.
I suggest something along the lines of
200K LP + Minmatar Navy Tags + Dark Blood Tags
just to make it a bit more special
If someone wants to also balance the ship slot/PG/CPU/etc wise to find any gaps that might be around in Amarr or Faction ships, would be cool also
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:26:00 -
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This is a Khanid Navy Issue Cruor. Would also be cool to play this and again obtain through the Khanid Navy's LP stores.
I'd suggest about half the LP cost of the Black Khanid Omen and again am not qualified to talk about balancing if others want to suggest some possible configurations
Khaldari KPA are recruiting In-game channel: khanidpublic |
slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:28:00 -
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nice looking ships.
but seriously, can the deimos (which is nice and almost black) get some more pg and agility please.
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:31:00 -
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Yay for more missile Amarr boats, because the other Khanid ships we have, are so great.... oh wait
They look good, but suck chubby.
Mag
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:33:00 -
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i can has shield tanking missile boats now plz?
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:37:00 -
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Actually might be cool if not make any sense if Khanid faction ships were shield tanking laser boats, whereas Khanid Innovations T2 ships were Armor taking missile boats?
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Ryum852
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:42:00 -
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looks nice, give it a bonus of heat sink stacking penalties do not apply, and I'm sold
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:53:00 -
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That omen has to be the best looking ship in the game.
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:03:00 -
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I hope the devs take note, I've always wanted Khanid to have playable faction ships.
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William Hamilton
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Actually might be cool if not make any sense if Khanid faction ships were shield tanking laser boats, whereas Khanid Innovations T2 ships were Armor taking missile boats?
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Unfortunatley, a shield tanking laser boat is a plain bad idea.
High cap weapons + high cap defences = death
Not sayin it coudn't be done, but if it was you'd run the risk of people not splitting the balance of guns and shields as intended and either going omgztank or omgzgank
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Actually might be cool if not make any sense if Khanid faction ships were shield tanking laser boats, whereas Khanid Innovations T2 ships were Armor taking missile boats?
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Unfortunatley, a shield tanking laser boat is a plain bad idea.
High cap weapons + high cap defences = death
Not sayin it coudn't be done, but if it was you'd run the risk of people not splitting the balance of guns and shields as intended and either going omgztank or omgzgank
Would be a perfect working field for an amarr logistic to boost their caps to run their wtfbbq damage and tank.
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Msobe
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:41:00 -
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I find a little humor in the way Khanid ships play out. They say they are a hybrid of amarr ships with caldari technology. Sadly, they don't end up as the best of either world, but a half ass attempt at a caldari ship. The game doesn't need more shield tanked missile boats, that is what caldari are for. Maybe to avoid making them too much like caldari, they are gimped missile boats with half ass shield tanks . . . some even have armor resist bonus, which doesn't go far to encourage a shield tank.
I'd rather see them come in two types, as said above - make khanid missile boats be armor tankers, and their laser boats be shield tankers. (A laser platform with a serious passive shield tank would be a great variation for amarr pilots.)
There could also be room for split weapon khanid ships - say a khanid BS with 6 high slots (4 turrets/4 launchers) and a bonus to missile damage and turret damage. Give it a mid/low slot lay out and armor/shield hp that lends itself to either type of tank, and you've got a ship with way more versatility than any amarr ship to date. Split weapon systems have never been that popular, but the idea does make sense when you try to marry amarr and caldari tech.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:02:00 -
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A missile-spewing Cruor, with armor tank and Nosferatu range/amount bonus, would be very tasty. Gimme.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:06:00 -
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I thought this would be a thread about how to make a fitting for a ship that would create a vessel resembling the "Black Omen," a ship found in the game, "Chrono Trigger."
Either way, yes plz, better khanid ships. __________________________________
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Crusix Bargoth
Amarr Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:17:00 -
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Drool....I currently work for the Amarr navy, but man, if I could get my khanid ships I would get standing with them so fast it would hurt.
Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar nerf ponies!!1one
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Kiyano
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:29:00 -
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I remember the first day I was wondering about and saw a Khandid Omen on a gate, I stopped and just stared at it for a while, screen shotted and the lot, that is one of the nicest looking ships/colour schemes out there imo. Very pretty.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.07.17 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Actually might be cool if not make any sense if Khanid faction ships were shield tanking laser boats, whereas Khanid Innovations T2 ships were Armor taking missile boats?
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Unfortunatley, a shield tanking laser boat is a plain bad idea.
High cap weapons + high cap defences = death
Thats why i hate the merc npc's lazor caracals wtf!! and they hurt :(
but yeah, black omen plzkthxbai
Originally by: "Orestes Umnon" An easy way to spot when isk farmers are mad: they stop using broken english and just start spamming boxes at you, with random punctuation sprinked here and there
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:05:00 -
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thats one sexy lookin omen for sure.
a sexy lookin, missile spewin, dark tint paint job, armor tanking.... i think i just peed a little
pwease can we ccp ^^
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Actually might be cool if not make any sense if Khanid faction ships were shield tanking laser boats, whereas Khanid Innovations T2 ships were Armor taking missile boats?
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Unfortunatley, a shield tanking laser boat is a plain bad idea.
High cap weapons + high cap defences = death
Not sayin it coudn't be done, but if it was you'd run the risk of people not splitting the balance of guns and shields as intended and either going omgztank or omgzgank
Shield tanking is both more cap efficient and easier to micromanage than armor tanking.
*the more you know* ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.17 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: jilahed on 17/07/2007 07:23:37
Originally by: Msobe I find a little humor in the way Khanid ships play out. They say they are a hybrid of amarr ships with caldari technology. Sadly, they don't end up as the best of either world, but a half ass attempt at a caldari ship. The game doesn't need more shield tanked missile boats, that is what caldari are for. Maybe to avoid making them too much like caldari, they are gimped missile boats with half ass shield tanks . . . some even have armor resist bonus, which doesn't go far to encourage a shield tank.
Exactly! All Khanid ships are indeed *armor* tanks, despite their weird description. Only curse can mount a reasonable shield tank, but the mids are actually for e-war usuallly.
Now please don't tell me you tried to shield tank your sacrilege/damnation? What did you think were all these lowslots for? And why would damnation (a cs) have the same tank as sac (a hac)? Sorry but the idea of someone fitting a shield tank on damnation or sac is really funny. What a waste of ship bonuses. Those ships arent very good if you know how to use their strengths...
Originally by: Msobe
I'd rather see them come in two types, as said above - make khanid missile boats be armor tankers, and their laser boats be shield tankers.
Yep, after maxing my drone skills for the only really good khanid ship, maxing laser skills for all amarr ships, maxing armor tank for all amarr ships, maxing missiles for some khanid ships i will go and max my shield skills for these too. Sorry, amarr is skill intensive enough especially if you actually try and compete with what other races get. I'll gladly leave the honour of the most skill intensive race to minmatar.
And if there will be any (non-recon) ships with more than 1-4 midslots for amarr *ever* i will use these slots to finally have some flexibility with fittings and not for shield tanks. Flying the arbitrator over the maller teaches *how* important med slots really are in pvp.
Originally by: Msobe
(A laser platform with a serious passive shield tank would be a great variation for amarr pilots.)
No. Look how great drake is and do you actually know whats the *cap recharge* on a drake is like? Good luck using lasers with that. Damn, harbi sucks in comparison to myrmi/hurricane but i'd never trade it for a drake. Passive tank is nice in pve but in pvp i already have *not enough midslots* for tackling gear and injector on a regular basis. No need to further emphasize the trend by making my tank (the only thing i normally don't have to worry too much about with the abundance of lows) med-slot dependent.
Originally by: Msobe
There could also be room for split weapon khanid ships - say a khanid BS with 6 high slots (4 turrets/4 launchers) and a bonus to missile damage and turret damage.
Most Khanid follow this principle. And they all suck. Only exception curse and to some degree(!) malediction and sac. Split weapons are no good. Missiles have great range, lasers don't. Missiles need a lot of cpu which we don't have. Split bonuses just means you waste one bonus which could be something useful. (e.g. you have 25% dmg bonus on laser and missile dmg - make 25% on your overall dmg from hislots - exactly what a laser boat gets that has 25% on laser dmg and only uses lasers - lol) Same problem with bcus/heat sinks. You'd always have to fit 2 to actually do something for all your weapons.
Minnies have split weapons but theyre not 50:50 but rather 66:33 or something and imo (not sure) they don't get split weapon bonuses. And to be honest not all minnie ships are that great its rather that *some* excel.
Originally by: Msobe
Give it a mid/low slot lay out and armor/shield hp that lends itself to either type of tank, and you've got a ship with way more versatility than any amarr ship to date.
Arbitrator/Curse want to meet you. Apart from that I wonder (just curious) how many of the *existing* khanid ships have you actually flown?
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.17 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: jilahed on 17/07/2007 07:48:52
Originally by: Goumindong
Shield tanking is both more cap efficient and easier to micromanage than armor tanking.
*the more you know*
I second this statement. However for me the main advantage of khanid ships is that they have more mids than usual amarr ships. It's always like christmas for me if i can actually fit propulsion mod, tackling gear and injector. All on *one* ship. At the *same* time. Thus making them shield tanks would be terrible, (well for me at least) because then i'd have to use them for tanking. Also it would be cool if they were real missile boats. No split weapon bonus + useless cap usage bonus negating 2/4 bonuses. This would give some flexibility and with the naturally stronger pg of amarr ships sac/dam might be viable ham boats. Well, that are my dreams i don't really see it coming. Because caldari would be angry when amarr get heavy assault missile boats with tackling gear, ok damage and a beasty amor tank. Actually i think it would overshadow most of their ships.
Edit: It's all politics.
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Quoted for "I really want one of these". I've actually been wanting to put these ships in the store ever since we first started talking about it - the only "problem" is that it seems that only the Amarr have the police drones with cool skins. This may just mean we need more skins made, though... I was all for just selling reskinned T1 ships with new skins and making them cost a mint, but they'll probably end up having improved stats too
I'm not sure the Cruor will make it in as I'm not sure why the Khanid have a Cruor...
Also, <3 numbers, thanks
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:31:00 -
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Awesome.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/07/2007 10:34:13 You tease.
Since it's a Khanid ship the changes to the stats will prolly be less armor, more shields and replace a turret hardpoint for a missile hardpoint. \o/
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Viscount Hood
UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:38:00 -
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while we're on the subject I want a Guristas Raven with the white go fast stripe!
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Quoted for "I really want one of these". I've actually been wanting to put these ships in the store ever since we first started talking about it - the only "problem" is that it seems that only the Amarr have the police drones with cool skins. This may just mean we need more skins made, though... I was all for just selling reskinned T1 ships with new skins and making them cost a mint, but they'll probably end up having improved stats too
I'm not sure the Cruor will make it in as I'm not sure why the Khanid have a Cruor...
Also, <3 numbers, thanks
I would (quite literally) pay a billion ISK for an all black Federation Vexor with purple lights (similar to the Navy Megathron).
That doesn't mean that you *should* make it cost that much, but stuff like that would be insanely awesome in the LP store.
Also, what about special edition HACs from LP stores? Like Duvolle Labs having Ishtars for sale, and having special stealth black Ishtars with blue or red lighting? Black Lachesis? Heck, black anything is sweet.
A flat black Lachesis would be particularly awesome. Dark stealth blue Vagabond? Yellow and Black tiger striped Ishkur? Blue and silver striped Harpy? Ooooo, stealth black (see a trend here?) Harpy with the chrome orange trim/windows of the Nighthawk/Flycatcher. Awesome.
Originally by: LMAAAOOOO iteron mark v is good cos it can fit a gun and can fit lots of ammo same time
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:46:00 -
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While we're at it, a black navy issue drake would go down real smooth.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:51:00 -
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While we're posting wishlists. I always found the Dominix too ugly to fly, but the Black Serpentis version I saw in the lvl 4 Cargo Delivery mission just looks plain awesome. It's surprising how much a different texture can do for a model.
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Auldare
Path-finder
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:57:00 -
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Would be nice if you could buy the non LP faction ships from their prospectives corp stations for around 3x base mineral price.
There are some real cool skinned ships out there in EVE.
Oh Oh, could make T3 use named items for production. Basically making T3 the named version of T2
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.17 11:00:00 -
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For gallente pink thorax will do the job i'm serious here, give me ability to obtain pink thorax *.* ---
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