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Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:58:00 -
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I must admit I'm looking forward to all the entertaining replies I can only assume that post will get thanks for entertaining me Gents. |
Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:59:00 -
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I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.
#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available #2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge. #3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB #4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU #5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.
Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy. |
Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:59:00 -
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lol and my second post hit before my first for some reason wow :) Fail forum post |
Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:27:00 -
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Alex Veritae wrote:I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.
#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available #2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge. #3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB #4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU #5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.
Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy.
http://mlfw.info/f/893/
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G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:42:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:Mimeo wrote:Keith Planck wrote:Hoxothul wrote:You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did.. you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake Prolly be a good idea to have your facts in order before you go spouting off at the mouth. too much effort http://mlfw.info/f/104/
*ptzzzzz* i dont think anyone actually clicks your links |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:51:00 -
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Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:57:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle.
I can't help it I I I I JUST... http://mlfw.info/f/2225/ |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2012.01.16 07:46:00 -
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Alex Veritae wrote:Holy **** a huge amount of words with no paragraph breaks. **** you so much for doing these terrible things to our glorious language.
Having pawed my way through the entrails of this post looking for its meaning, I have found a couple of points that I'd like to address.
1) What if these dudes get their mains and do mean things to us? Good! Excellent. This really is a situation in which I think the best response actually is come at me, bro. I mean, most people can't do **** to us, but if I somehow mystically found myself staring down the barrel of Rooks and Kings (I'm such an R&K fanboy), it would probably be the most exciting thing that's happened to me in some time and well worth my monthly fifteen bucks.
What if I got something suicide ganked out from under me? Bummer. Not the end of the world. Just means I need to be more careful. I lost a boosting Tengu to a suicide gank about two weeks ago and it set me back something like 350m. It's part of the game.
2) We're driving the captains of industry that we rely on out of the game? Not terribly. Here I'll point to the often overlooked distinction between industrialists and carebears. For instance, I'm reasonably tight with one of the major industrialists for the CFC, who does a lot of their cap production and t2 production. He has never, to my knowledge, fit a weapon system to a ship. However, he runs his spreadsheets like a ninja, well aware of the realities of the game. Realities that say that his shipment of materials he's already paid for could get blown up. Or he could get market-****** by people who are obtensibly on his side. He just takes that into account when making his plans.
And that is exactly the sort of player that's doing the heavy lifting on the industry-side in this game. As far as actual ships and mods moved to market, he's easily worth a dozen carebear hulk pilots using two industrial slots.
Besides, nearly everyone has an indy toon and occationally tinkers around building things. Hell, even the Skunkworks invents and makes t3s. I don't think we will fall into major economic collapse due to some pubbie fucks having a hissy fit and switching to the new Star Wars MMO.
3) You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery. |
Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:04:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:[quote=Alex Veritae]3) You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery.
i lol'd http://mlfw.info/f/1925/
Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it? |
Argus Eritaramis
Fearless Bandits Sk33t Fl33t
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:49:00 -
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You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony. |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:50:00 -
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Argus Eritaramis wrote:You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony.
No worries mate. I love an endless well of carebear tears too. |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:38:00 -
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Argus Eritaramis wrote:You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony.
You are wrong. You can't "Fight over and incursion" when one side wants to keep them open ; and other side wants to close them all but one, cram everyone in there and flood channels with griefing "fleets". "Fighting over an incrusions " is your bog standard site contesting that has been going on from forever.
Attacking side has an enormous advantage. Imagine if Tech moons were destroyable. Though not completely same as in that case all Tc moons in EVE would be gone in couple of months. |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:42:00 -
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They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:05:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so.
Not anymore dude |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:15:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote: Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it?
http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8&view=kills |
Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:28:00 -
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tyvm bookmarked that ****
you guys might get a kick out of this http://i.imgur.com/FtezX.jpg not ponies this time i promise <3 |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:42:00 -
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So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:53:00 -
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Curious to know why anyone would fleet with you lot.. clearly you in it for the tears, so I join your mom gang.. you leave me out to dry.. cool concept.. why go looking for the kill if you can scam them into coming to you... |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:06:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so.
this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:21:00 -
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Tian Nu wrote:OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now.
There are incursion in lower sec areas.. no one runs them cause you wouldn't be able to trust your own fleet as you all in it for the easy KM.. and that's why you messing with the carebears cause finally they have a way to make easy isk like all the null corps... your just jealous...
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:45:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet?
the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers? |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:48:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
The amount of stupidity and bullshit in the above quote is mind blowing. But don't worry. We are soon to be publishing some lovely recordings that our excellent cameraman captured.
http://recluse.me/uploaded_images/mr-burns-wallpaper-790221.gif |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1114
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:50:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
Awww. I was looking forward to the next mom takedown fleet. Now I feel..... grief.......
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.17 00:30:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
that actualy awsome suicide you own fleet will be so cool. Darious some times you surprise me in good way. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
493
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:26:00 -
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Some clarifications:
We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was
We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation.
Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you.
Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business.
Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included.
If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1116
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:40:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Some clarifications:
Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business.
You forgot scofflaws and anarcho-capitalists.
(ok I just felt left out) |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.01.17 03:05:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Some clarifications: We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation. Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you. Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business. Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included. If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout.
suicide the MS fleet and frap it that will stay in history all the rest is just wind, be creative do something out of ordinary.
i dont join MS fleets if i cant get 100 mill/h wtf i need to keep up my bear status |
Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
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Posted - 2012.01.17 03:09:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers? The amount of stupidity and bullshit in the above quote is mind blowing. But don't worry. We are soon to be publishing some lovely recordings that our excellent cameraman captured. http://recluse.me/uploaded_images/mr-burns-wallpaper-790221.gif
already have them, weve had a carebear in our channel whining endlessly and spamming screenshots about his hyperion -.- i dont even know how he got in there! we dont accept hyperions!
http://mlfw.info/f/72/
MFW I GOT A LIKE :O MUST GO FIND IT!!! confirmed, it was for my "me being banned from BTL post" ^o^ |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.17 03:21:00 -
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I don't know much about what's going on about Incursions, but BTL sounds like a bunch of elitist pricks. Therefore, I wish D3 and you guys well in your venture (with a spacelike too!) |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.01.17 05:51:00 -
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You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
I hope you have the logs turned on for your alts in that channel. I will enjoy watching them say "WHAT THE FUUUU WHI DIDDNt BTL STOP THEM?! WAHHH" And suddenly "discover" that nullsec has declared war on their activity. This may be good to get them out of their "I dont care *click drag fit* make monay instead" routine. |
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