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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:59:00 -
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Fourth Alliance Tournament
The tournament rules are finally ready. These rules allow for a wide range of viable setups and encourage total PWNage. This time around, the more ships you blow up, the more are your chances of advancing from the group stage. Also the alliance behind the team will benefit directly from their team winning, so we want to encourage alliance members to support their teams wholeheartedly. We are introducing a trophy to the winners of the tourney. The name of the winners will be etched on the trophy (in the description) and the trophy will be handed to the winners of the next tourney who will have their name etched on it, and so on and so forth. This tournament will exciting and fun to watch.
The signup page is being created and will be up later this week. Some alliances have already announced their participation. We are doing away with the non-refundable signup fee, which was supposed to be used for the prize money, and replaced it with something more exciting. The signup fee will now be refunded. More on that later.
Alliances now have the option of championing or representing a faction. The faction they champion will reward the alliance handsomely.
The following Factions can be represented: Amarr Caldari Gallente Minmatar Angel Cartel Blood Raiders Guristas Sansha Serpentis
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:59:00 -
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Rules 1. This is a bracket tournament with eight brackets, four teams in each bracket, for a total number of 32 teams. 2. Two teams with the highest points scored in each bracket advance to the elimination rounds. 3. Alliances can field up to ten pilots on the battlefield. The team captain has to be announced beforehand. Any alliance member can fight at any time. 4. Alliances will be allowed entry on a first-come first-serve basis. 5. A pilot cannot compete on behalf of more than one alliance at a time. 6. All competing pilots must be members of the alliance they are competing at the time they fight. 7. Fights are limited to 15 minutes in the first round. After that the fight will be stopped and whichever alliance has destroyed ships with a higher number of total point worth will be declared winner. See "Winning a match in the group stage" for more details. 8. In the elimination rounds, fights will be stopped after 20 minutes if both teams still have ships on the battlefield. The winners will be declared based on the following: 8.1. The team with the higher number of total point worth of opponents ships destroyed, wins. 8.2. If both teams have destroyed equal amounts total point worth, the team which advanced from the brackets with a higher total score will advance. 9. Intentional podkilling is NOT allowed. Accidental podkills will be reimbursed and no penalties incurred.
Entry fee Entry fee is one billion ISK. The fee is returned once the group stage is finished and the team has participated in all of its scheduled fights.
Place and Tactics 1. Teams are brought to a star system in uncharted space and designated as Team 1 and Team 2. 2. There are eight beacons in the system which serve as start off points. Four beacons are marked for Team 1 and four marked for Team 2. The teams must assemble at any of the four beacons designated for their team. 3. Once the word is given, teams warp in to the arena from whichever beacon they assembled, at a range they prefer, up to a maximum of 70 km. Team members are allowed to warp in at different ranges. 4. The arena will measure a 125 km radius, 250km diameter. 5. After the teams have warped in to the arena, they will wait for EVETV clearance to begin the fight. This is to allow time to set up the cameras. 6. When EVETV is ready, the host sets of a powerful ECM burst and warps off. This signals the start of the fight. 7. If a player warps out/leaves the arena, His/her ship will be destroyed. 8. Warping within the arena is not allowed. 9. Dropping secure or insecure cargo containers is not allowed. Dropping regular jettison containers is allowed. 10. Locking the enemy team before the match starts is NOT allowed. 11. Moving ships to improve positions before the match starts is NOT allowed.
Ships 1. Each team has 100 points to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 75 points. 2. Each team may have up to 10 ships on the battlefield. 3. Unused points will be added to the opponents score. 4. The ship points table is as follows, shiptypes not listed in the table are not allowed:
37 - Battleship, Faction 27 - Battleship 27 - Battlecruiser, Tech2 18 - Battlecruiser 19 - Cruiser, Logistics / Recon 17 - Cruiser, Heavy assault 13 - Cruiser, Faction 10 - Cruiser 8 -- Destroyer, Tech2 5 -- Destroyer 6 -- Frigate, Tech2 4 -- Frigate, Faction 3 -- Frigate
Fitting 1. All T1 and T2 drones and modules are allowed. 2. All implants are allowed. 3. Boosters and rigs are not allowed. 4. T2 ammunition and missiles are allowed. 5. Cloaking is not allowed. 6. Target jamming modules and drones are allowed. Sensor dampening and tracking disrupting modules/drones are allowed 7. Cap Boosters are allowed 8. Faction, COSMOS, dead space and officer modules are not allowed 9. Logistics drones are allowed.
Winning a match in the group stage 1. In each match, teams get points for killing ships, based on their value in the rules. 2. The more ships you kill, the more points you get, with winner of a fight decided by who kills the most points. 3. For winning a fight, an team will receive a 25% bonus to the points they score. 4. If you kill the entire opposing team, it is considered ôT+TALHELLDEATHö. You get 150 points total (a 50% bonus). 5. At the end of the group stage, the top 2 teams in each group by points scored will go through to the finals.
Penalties 1. A player found breaking any of the above rules can be penalized in several ways, depending on the severity of their offence. 2. A player or team can be banned from competing for one or more matches. 3. A player or alliance can be banned from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments.
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:59:00 -
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Tournament Prizes This subject has been the cause of a lot of debate, but we feel that after much discussion we have a winner. You have called for something special for the pilots, the alliances want something cool for everyone, and the bragging rights are not to be passed up either.
The bragging rights Pilots will be awarded medals û Bronze, Silver and Gold. For now, these medals are unique items that can sit in your hangar. When the medal system is brought into the game, pilots will have the opportunity to exchange these for a badge that will appear on your ôshow infoö page.
For the alliances, a tournament is not complete without a Cup! This tournament will see the first round of a perpetual trophy. Far into the future, every tournament will see the previous champion handing it back û for safekeeping by the next champions and a new name etched on the side for all time.
For the Alliance Each alliance gets the opportunity to champion a faction just as knights of old championed fair maidens. The bravest and most daring knight won favour and so will the winning alliance -
- 1st place a 30% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
- 2nd place a 20% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
- 3rd place a 10% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
For the best of the best, the few, the elite We have saved the best till last for the winning pilots. Just as the faction will give standings to the member pilots, so too will there be a special bonus for the elite winning team.
- First prize. 20 million loyalty points split equally among the members of the winning team.
- Second prize. 12 million loyalty points split equally among the members of the winning team.
- Third prize. 6 million loyalty points split equally among the members of the winning team.
The loyalty points are towards the militant corporation of each faction, and can be used in their LP store.
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:40:00 -
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To clarrify: If a team comes 1st, 2nd or 3rd will their standing bonus potentially have a negative impact upon their standings or is it just a straight increase?
For example MC pick say gallente to champion if they come 3rd (hopeful i know) will the increased gallente standings affect their caldari standings or will it just be a straight increase with no adverse affects?
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sivona To clarrify: If a team comes 1st, 2nd or 3rd will their standing bonus potentially have a negative impact upon their standings or is it just a straight increase?
For example MC pick say gallente to champion if they come 3rd (hopeful i know) will the increased gallente standings affect their caldari standings or will it just be a straight increase with no adverse affects?
No derived standing increase or loss toward other factions.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:59:00 -
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Since we will not be championing any faction - it's listed as an "option" to champion for a faction after all, and championing for them is absolutely against our ingame ideology - that means that apart from the trophy, we get screwed out of any potential rewards, right?
Either way, cool. Driving the ideological message home is more important than any prizes :P --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:09:00 -
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If you're not sucking up to one faction or another, you're left out in the cold. Nothing new to see here. _
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:19:00 -
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*shrug*
SF will still enter, supporting no faction, prizes or no prizes.
Cosmo
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:29:00 -
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If you champion the Amarr, you are not limited to solely Amarrian ships.
I'm poking Nova to elaborate on what happens if you choose to champion none of the factions (ie; prizes)
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:35:00 -
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Well done Nova!
I'm VERY happy to see
1) Warping out makes boomboom (so no saving your shiny ships, hopefully a state raven or tribal pest will go boom like the impoc last time!)
2) Scraping through on points WONT help your cause, because instead of getting 3 poiints out of 3 for a win, even if you onjly killed 1 frigate and held the enemy down to the end, if you do that this time you'll get about 4 points out of a maximum 150. I know we won a game doing that in the last tournament, and indeed qualified from the group stage with it, but its just not as good for the viewers! This way, teams are encouraged to go all out and we'll hopefully see max explosions! Woot!
3) Only 32 teams so no non-televised prelims!
4) LP isn't too bad a prize. I hate standings and LP, in all honesty, because the mission-running side of the game is a waste of time populated by ******s, but LP is such a versatile prize, as they'll be able to choose from a vast range of interesting and valuable items. I like the trophy too.
However, it really does leave Star Fraction out in the cold, and they put on such a good showing last time! One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected]) |
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ookke
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:56:00 -
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thanks for reading thru our feedback finally, I quite like the changes :)
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:03:00 -
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So many changes, yet almost none of the big issues have been addressed? Were you listening in the other thread?
Still no faction ships as prizes, just lame medals and a trophy, which last I checked can't be sold for anything, thus the focus still seems to be on the alliance, rather than the team.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:04:00 -
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Will pirate LP store offers be increased any time soon? If not, it'll be all HG pirate implant offers taken out by the winnars. ;(
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jamesw
Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet So many changes, yet almost none of the big issues have been addressed? Were you listening in the other thread?
Still no faction ships as prizes, just lame medals and a trophy, which last I checked can't be sold for anything, thus the focus still seems to be on the alliance, rather than the team.
Er.. You failed to mention The 20 million LP's for the team... I hear those can be turned into faction ships, among other things... --
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nickycakes
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:42:00 -
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Are you seriously getting paid money IRL to do this? ---
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: QwaarJet So many changes, yet almost none of the big issues have been addressed? Were you listening in the other thread?
Still no faction ships as prizes, just lame medals and a trophy, which last I checked can't be sold for anything, thus the focus still seems to be on the alliance, rather than the team.
Er.. You failed to mention The 20 million LP's for the team... I hear those can be turned into faction ships, among other things...
I'm talking about something unique, if they gave out more Corvuses and Storms then the price they would cost would lower, thus being less insane than what they went for before.
Apart from the prizes and lame faction representation crap, the points system still hasn't been modified enough. The majority of people are screaming for changes in Battleships and Command ship costs.
My main gripe about the new rules is now that winning basically means nothing unless you trash your opponent. Effectively, close fought, entertaining battles will end with both teams losing out.
Winning is winning, regardless of how much you win by. It should stay that way.
There's no way this tournament will match the excitement of the last one.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:10:00 -
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no more isk... :( that would been great to keep the fights interesting for corporations like ours... now only 3 teams get prizes? maybe our alliance should back out... we have skill but only the backing for one round of ships and entry fee. the idea of getting paid per round meant we could compete with bob and supper alliances.
but now it's all for not :/ Also where do these Lp points go?
right my point again, why did it go form everyone that makes it to round 2 wins something! to F all of you unless your the top 3?
I mean we aim to win but we know with super teams out there that would be near impossible, but it would fun to see how high we got and still won something.
I really don't get it.
but it wil be fun none the less! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:14:00 -
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You can probably knock this out in one weekend with the amount of teams that will participate only for the glory of it. The tangible prizes are a drop in the bucket for any group that could field a team capable of winning.
Great job ruining this fine tradition.
we ran outta cowbell. |
Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:24:00 -
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Ok I got a few questions
Quote: Pilots will be awarded medals û Bronze, Silver and Gold. For now, these medals are unique items that can sit in your hangar. When the medal system is brought into the game, pilots will have the opportunity to exchange these for a badge that will appear on your ôshow infoö page.
For the alliances, a tournament is not complete without a Cup! This tournament will see the first round of a perpetual trophy. Far into the future, every tournament will see the previous champion handing it back û for safekeeping by the next champions and a new name etched on the side for all time.
Will these be backdated to previous tournaments?
Quote: 1st place a 30% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
2nd place a 20% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
3rd place a 10% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
is this PERCENT increase so like, if you have no standing to a faction, you get none? -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
Cividari
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cividari on 18/07/2007 15:28:23
Quote:
Quote: 1st place a 30% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
2nd place a 20% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
3rd place a 10% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
is this PERCENT increase so like, if you have no standing to a faction, you get none?
I would assume it works the same way as standings with concord is awarded in %.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:30:00 -
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Those prizes are abysmal. Truly, and UTTERLY abysmal.
So all you get for winning is some LPs (huh?) and a medal (shoop da woop). And IF your alliance goes for the (OPTIONAL) "championing a faction", you get a standings bonus. A standings bonus. You've got to be freaking kidding me.
I honestly couldn't care less about a single one of those awards. If you offered them to me right now, I wouldn't get excited in the least.
Also; still can't fathom the bizarre choice to ALLOW implants, DISALLOW podding, and BAN rigs. What? So only advantages that carry absolutely zero risk are allowed, then. Absolutely bizarre. --------
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.07.18 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
Quote: 1st place a 30% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
2nd place a 20% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
3rd place a 10% standing bonus for each and every pilot in the alliance.
is this PERCENT increase so like, if you have no standing to a faction, you get none?
More importantly, can you champion a faction most team members are hostile to, and how will that work? Reset to zero before applying 30%, or just increase from the negative value (which in some cases would still be low enough for you to even do base lvl 1 agents)?
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Kayosoni is this PERCENT increase so like, if you have no standing to a faction, you get none?
More importantly, can you champion a faction most team members are hostile to, and how will that work? Reset to zero before applying 30%, or just increase from the negative value (which in some cases would still be low enough for you to even do base lvl 1 agents)?
Works like normal standing increase. You can champion a faction you have negative standings towards. Your standings will be increased from where they currently are.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:13:00 -
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Having never participated in a tournament play in eve before, a few questions spring to mind...
1) The people are fixed for the tournament for each team, correct? Can't add or substitute anyone per match (keeping in mind the 100 pt hull limit)
2) Say you win the first round, and two of your team got popped in it. Ship replacements are allowed?
3) This probably renders #2 moot, but can you rekit/retool your team's ship makeup in between rounds? So one round you pop out in a pair of bhaalgorns and the next all rifters (for example)?
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin Having never participated in a tournament play in eve before, a few questions spring to mind...
1) The people are fixed for the tournament for each team, correct? Can't add or substitute anyone per match (keeping in mind the 100 pt hull limit)
Once the match starts those on the field are the team for that fight. Under the new rules, you can swap out any member or members of your team for another alliance pilot, as long as the pilot was a member of the alliance at the time your alliance signed up to the tournament.
Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin 2) Say you win the first round, and two of your team got popped in it. Ship replacements are allowed?
Yes, you can replace ships, after the fight.
Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin 3) This probably renders #2 moot, but can you rekit/retool your team's ship makeup in between rounds? So one round you pop out in a pair of bhaalgorns and the next all rifters (for example)?
Again, yes. In the time between the fights, you can radically change your line up. For example, you could field a Snake implant assisted team in one fight, and in the next switch out for a full Slave implant crew. It's up to you.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:21:00 -
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The irony of all this is that we would probably regard negative standings from the core empire factions on an alliance basis* as quite a reward for winning...
Cosmo
* ie. negative standings shown on the alliance standing tab
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:54:00 -
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Qwaar I think its time we gave up. It is extremely obvious that this tournament is to benefit the ISK sellers and mission runners of the larger alliances. This is an insult to pvp'ers everywhere. I think you should have a mining tournament with prizes such as these, and have a seperate one for pvp. The rules are fine Ive never had a problem with them, as no matter the rules one cant argue with them. Everyone is on the same filed using the same items. The point system I see hasnt changed. This proves that the ones running this do not realize just how much different Tier 1 is from Tier 2 and 3, especially in battlecruisers. Not to mention that HAC's one of the most useless ship in the game (except vaga) are almost as much as some very overpowered recons.
Anyways my alliance is still in it, but I would be surprized if you see many Battleships in this thing, as most wont want to spend ISK, to lose ISK.
WildCat
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:46:00 -
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Probably agree with you Wildcat.
Hope we fight each other in the tourney at some stage :)
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux If you're not sucking up to one faction or another, you're left out in the cold. Nothing new to see here.
RP your way out of it, assume a Federation based political platform and refute any claims that you're championing the current political system. It's time to break out Jade and the paragraphs of doom and roleplay your asses off to spin this.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.19 00:07:00 -
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Good job locking the other thread without responding to any of the constructive criticism.
Horrible job on everything else.
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