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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: CCP Greyscale I need to visit Ships and Modules more often
Would be good to split this channel up. One for ship setups and one for actually discussing ships and modules not working, being bugged or general flying advice.
That's a fair point. It would mean important things like this are fairly likely to be on the front page. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..." |
N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
Originally by: N1fty Amarr drones do the worst damage, have smallest shields, and as such are rarely used. -snip-
I think this is more to do with the greater problem of imbalance with EM damage across the board. All drones have the same amount of defence over-all (shield+armour, IIRC) per tier and tech level, so that isn't really a good indication of any other imbalance. That's like saying the Abaddon is rubbish because it has less shields than the Rokh.
Except that a Drone with Higher shields than armor can be scooped to dronebay when its damaged and then launched with shields recharged. Amarr drones have tiny shields and so cannot do this to the same extent.
Using the tracking calculator I did some calculations based on a stock Thorax and one drone of each type unaffected by skills.
Transversal is set to 500, in order to allow for drones different tracking speeds, but they all have negligable difference.
DPS Against Armor: Hammerhead I : 5.89 Infiltrator I : 2.68 Valkyrie I : 6.81 Vespa I : 5.39
DPS Against Shields: Hammerhead I : 7.25 Infiltrator I : 6.7 Valkyrie I : 3.03 Vespa I : 4.98
Average DPS: Hammerhead I : 6.57 Infiltrator I : 4.69 Valkyrie I : 4.92 Vespa I : 5.185
Hammers have mich higer average DPS after resists than all the other drones, which are vaguely balanced but Infiltrators come last. The only time Infiltrators do even damage to Hammers is when transversal is ramped up to 1500 but then Valkyrie's are your best bet in high transversal scenarios because they have higher average DPS here.
If we take tanks into account then a shieldtanker will slap EM resists on or Invuls, which means EM will be at least halved [EM to worst DPS] or all damage types will be reduced equally[EM stays 2nd]. Looking at a 3 hardner shieldtank then Therm are still first with EM second.
Armor tanks these days are largely Omni tanks which reduce damage equally across the board so EM stays in last while Therm stays 1st. If we were to use an old school 3 Hardner tank them EM and Kin are tied last, Therm clear second and Exp 1st.
So even when EM drones are shooting at the lowest resist [on shields and armor] of all the drones, they still lose out to Thermal! To me it seems that Thermal drones lower tracking does not compensate enough for their huge damage in comparison to all other drones, resulting in an overpowered drone which is reflected in its cost.
As a sidenote about EM damage today: The only reason EM damage used to work is because nobody would tank EM on armor as 3 hardners would be used on the other resists, making EM the weakspot in tanking scenarios. This is no longer the case with Omni-armor tanking and EM's found to profoundly lacking. It was never a problem before passive resistance skills came in, coupled with damage controls. To fix this: nerf omni-tanks, or increase EM damage, or reduce base EM resists.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 10:45:00 -
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Bump :-) ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..." |
Elvarien
Caldari Legion of Corpses Federation Of united Corps
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:23:00 -
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/signed
as a domi user I completely agree as all of the topics discussed here tend to make drone life a big pain n the well .. rectal cavaties >--- Witty banter. |
Nicoli Malthus
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Posted - 2007.07.28 12:05:00 -
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signed!!!
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Leo Balthur
Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 13:59:00 -
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signed.
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Red Harvest
Originally by: VJ Maverick Best Fleet Commander? Hmm. it's a 3-way tie between Admiral Thrawn, Mon Mothma, and Admiral Akbar.
Not even close! Admiral Thrawn i |
Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.28 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: CCP Greyscale I need to visit Ships and Modules more often
Would be good to split this channel up. One for ship setups and one for actually discussing ships and modules not working, being bugged or general flying advice.
Great Idea.
Ships and Setups - For discussion of tactics, set-ups, advice etc Balance Discussion - For umm... balance discussion
And knock the "known" off Known Issues and Workarounds while we're at it, if it's broken, or we think it's not working as intended, then it should be in here. That would give us three areas for the devs to focus on if you include features and ideas discussion. Not that the other areas should be ignored of course, but I imagine they'd be far less vital than these three (especially with the mods doing the ol' thread shuffle), it would save time and hopefully give the devs the chance to read more of the important posts more often.
..but yeah, great idea.
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Spenz
Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:13:00 -
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/Signed with a big red pen
If I had an Alt I would probably post with it... |
Acacia Everto
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:30:00 -
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/signed
Also, something easy that could be added that'd make drone user's life so much easier, is being able to right click on a locked target and hit 'Engage Target' rather than going back to the drone UI every time we need to switch targets. Maybe even a submenu for drone groups/single drones so can can lock 5 different targets, and right click on one after another and engage a single drone on each.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/07/2007 23:38:15 /signed ccp get on it pls its overdue whats it been 3 years?
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:39:00 -
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signed.
I experience all the previously aforementioned issues on a DAILY basis.
stuck drones, drones stopping outside scoop range, drones forgetting commands, drones ignoring commands, drones being shot by spawning npcs (not a bug? but really annoying), drones flat out ignoring orders. etc etc etc.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.30 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Neramore Agree with the OP items. Personally, I wish Logistics drones worked on the controlling ship. The fact that isn't possible really breaks the believability of EVE, in my opinion. I mean, my own drones can't repair my own ship?
Sniping ships being able to rep themselves is bad m'kay?
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: CCP Greyscale I need to visit Ships and Modules more often
Would be good to split this channel up. One for ship setups and one for actually discussing ships and modules not working, being bugged or general flying advice.
Great Idea.
Ships and Setups - For discussion of tactics, set-ups, advice etc Balance Discussion - For umm... balance discussion
Even tho the idea if great, I have a little tiny voice inside me yelling that Balance Discussion will be 'better' then CAOD. Since there, mostly conflicting alliances, and here we get all the people who love to:
'Why cant I build titan on my own?', 'Why single pilot can fly a super-cap?', 'We need new cloaking/damaging/ew/drone/nosf/whatnot ship, nerf others, boost us!'
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Firecrak
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 14:38:00 -
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/re-signed and bumped to front page, this deserves more than a "I need to read this forum more" post by the Devs please.
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RedeyeAce
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:39:00 -
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Hmm, thanks to the khanid and nos changes, this has got bounced down the pages... Well Greyscale came in.. he saw.. and then nothing :(
Please devs.. I know your all busy atm, but give us an update please :)
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IceForce
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale I need to visit Ships and Modules more often
ccp corupt staff noob
We were told (sorry Greyscale, this is a 'so and so said' one, though it was a Dev Blog) that a specific person was/would be hired specifically to deal with drone issues. What has happened to him/her? Can we get an update please?
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: IceForce
We were told (sorry Greyscale, this is a 'so and so said' one, though it was a Dev Blog) that a specific person was/would be hired specifically to deal with drone issues. What has happened to him/her? Can we get an update please?
/speculation Hum, last time I heard, a drone was supposed to carry him from the airport to CCP... and we all know how drone AI works... he's probably in Alaska now.
Jokes apart, I'd like to know too.
-- Siggie ! Come back here ! --
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job
Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:01:00 -
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Why did everyone get their hopes up?
Dev only said he needs to visit this FORUM more often, not like READ MORE ABOUT DRONE BUGS.
CCP giving "oomph" to Amarr's: Nerffing most of ships via Khanid Mk2. Enjoy your "oomphffs" people! :rolleyes:
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.07.31 12:50:00 -
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To the OP, great ideas there for fixing drones, and the majority of the rest of the ideas have been constructive and sensible. To be honest Drone AI is laughable atm, as has been mentioned above, other MMO's have great 'pet' UI's/AI's etc.
One Empire, One Emperor, One People, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.07.31 13:43:00 -
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fix the return mwd bugg to drones and figthers fix the stuck bugg fix the refuse to warp with you figther bugg fix the range bugg
ccp has time and time again said they have fixed these buggs. every time i read the patch notes and its stated that it is fixed i feel ****ed upon.
stop lying ffs ccp and bloody fix it.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty
DPS Against Shields: Hammerhead I : 7.25 Infiltrator I : 6.7 Valkyrie I : 3.03 Vespa I : 4.98
No shield tanker use unhardened shield. Care to do the same calculation on the standard 2 invuln + DC PvP tank?
And of course em drones are the drones of choice to kill raters in non EM dealing rat regions. Also compound the fact the EM drones are faster thus get to target way faster than slowass thermal drones and are also harder to kill because of that. Also that they are IMHO the best antidrone drones du to their speed and the fact that drones passive shield tank...
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 31/07/2007 14:23:22
Originally by: Lubomir Penev No shield tanker use unhardened shield. Care to do the same calculation on the standard 2 invuln + DC PvP tank?
And what exactly should that change? It will reduce both therm and EM damage by exactly the same percentage.
The relation between EM & Therm drones only changes when a shieldtanker hardens espcialyl vs therm, but not vs EM. Usually the opposite is the case.
The only situation where EM drones are usually better than therm is vs caldari t2 ships due to the high inherit thermal resistances of these. The same in reverse is the case for minmatar t2 shield tankers though.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 31/07/2007 14:23:22
Originally by: Lubomir Penev No shield tanker use unhardened shield. Care to do the same calculation on the standard 2 invuln + DC PvP tank?
And what exactly should that change? It will reduce both therm and EM damage by exactly the same percentage.
Yeah sorry brain fart, I guess it make them good mostly for killing raters, and anti drones from their speed advantage on thermal drones..
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.07.31 22:41:00 -
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/signed I've bug-reported the important bugs, all got filtered except the show-info that got attached to a defect...
ps. thanx for the reply greyscale, nice to know this ain't just another drone thread ;)
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RedeyeAce
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:40:00 -
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/bump
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: J''Mkarr Soban on 10/08/2007 15:46:18 Small bump now I'm re-activated
I think Greyscale might have died. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..." |
Borasao
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:50:00 -
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Just chiming in...
With heavy drones, I can reproduce this 100% of the times I've tried to reproduce it:
- Have target locked but not firing anything at it (like blowing up a structure in a mission) - Launch 5x Heavies - Order them to engage my target - They all get the red engaging message and head out to the target - At some point they forget what they're doing, I think it's when they reach the target (all have the green message about being idle or returning to my ship or whatever) - Order them to engage my target again - Now they seem to work.
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Lars Intarestum
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Posted - 2007.08.10 16:22:00 -
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/signed
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.08.10 21:04:00 -
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TL, DR (except the OP) but I have seen drones attack structures in encounters instead of attacking "live" targets. So I'm getting pewed by frigs and the drones are seriously ATTACKING A WALL. Wrong.
Signed.
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:30:00 -
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if drones flash idle messages then go back to fighting status, they have picked a random target (maybe the original, but unlikly)
suggestion: 1) if a target dies wait for the "idle" to appear then give the next "engage" order 2) keep an eye for momentary "idle" appearances, reissue orders when that happens 3) good luck ;p
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