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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
577
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Posted - 2012.01.14 20:22:00 -
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I think its funny that a self-professed noob comes into a thread and says that "blasters are fine" and then that boosting them won't make them OP. And not to put too fine a point on it, but this is what you're using to make comparisons about blasters: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14978136
Would you like some advice or would you like me to leave you quietly alone?
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:53:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I think its funny that a self-professed noob comes into a thread and says that "blasters are fine" and then that boosting them won't make them OP. And not to put too fine a point on it, but this is what you're using to make comparisons about blasters: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14978136Would you like some advice or would you like me to leave you quietly alone? -Liang I dont think he needs advice from a noobsec blobber , go hide in the station Liang. I have no idea where is your confidence from , as you havent been in any worthy pvp situations ever. |
OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:54:00 -
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Noooo CCP, don't make me train gunnery skills. |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:59:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:How fast would an AF have to go to step on inty toes? 5km/s with a 600+ DPS active tank and maybe 20k EHP? Is that good enough?
-Liang
I'm not good at Eve, can you please list your fit> |
Renge Ukyo
Point of No Return Waterboard
11
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:02:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I think its funny that a self-professed noob comes into a thread and says that "blasters are fine" and then that boosting them won't make them OP. And not to put too fine a point on it, but this is what you're using to make comparisons about blasters: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14978136Would you like some advice or would you like me to leave you quietly alone? -Liang
Sure, give me some advice that doesn't end with "train minmatar".
And I stand by my statement, blasters are fine, and the 15% more range isn't going to make a hull of beans worth of difference in the applied dps projection area. If it was more damage, yes, but you're talking about very little actual range, it's not going to even come close to OP. |
Zarnak Wulf
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:12:00 -
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I'd bet money that individual ship tweaking is next. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
578
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:28:00 -
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Renge Ukyo wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I think its funny that a self-professed noob comes into a thread and says that "blasters are fine" and then that boosting them won't make them OP. And not to put too fine a point on it, but this is what you're using to make comparisons about blasters: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14978136Would you like some advice or would you like me to leave you quietly alone? -Liang Sure, give me some advice that doesn't end with "train minmatar". And I stand by my statement, blasters are fine, and the 15% more range isn't going to make a hull of beans worth of difference in the applied dps projection area. If it was more damage, yes, but you're talking about very little actual range, it's not going to even come close to OP.
Well, I think your idea of the range blasters have may have been colored by the fact that you're running Electrons without a prop mod. You may want to seek better ship fittings... and hell even noobsville Battleclinic has many better fittings than that.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
198
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:35:00 -
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Renge Ukyo wrote:Sure, give me some advice that doesn't end with "train minmatar". Use neutrons with TE's and for god's sake fit an MWD |
Renge Ukyo
Point of No Return Waterboard
11
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:38:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:Renge Ukyo wrote:Sure, give me some advice that doesn't end with "train minmatar". Use neutrons with TE's and for god's sake fit an MWD
That particular fit is not exactly my usual. It was spare parts sitting in a station. Station games in null.
My usual fits are with mwd and usually with ions or nuetrons, case specific.
I'm aware that electron blasters are fail, but i'm also aware that a vexor is a drone boat, and that the blaster dps is kind of an after thought under those circumstances. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
36
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:24:00 -
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null needs it. people forget about that gallente ammo only does thermal and ken damage. |
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:54:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I'd bet money that individual ship tweaking is next.
This.
Would really like it if they start with doing away with tier system in Cruisers. Then frigs, then BCs. |
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:55:00 -
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They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.
I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)
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Valea Silpha
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
13
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Posted - 2012.01.15 14:51:00 -
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Whats interesting to me is that there seems to be two schools of thought on blasters:
1. 'Null is my standard ammo' - Seems to mostly be low-sec brawler types who appreciate the escapability of being out at more range.
2. 'Void is my standard ammo' - Seems to be constructed gang folks (ie flying with logis, ecm, command ships and similar). These folks are interested in blasters for overwhelming or at least much better dps that blasters can offer, and range is moot because you aren't gunna run away no matter what.
I'm squarely in camp 2, but I can totally understand camp 1's point of view. For us 2's this buff is irrelevent, and as such you shouldn't really care. Having said that I think 40% is too much for large blasters, particularly with rokh/naga optimal bonuses. Gets just a bit too much range to really be balanced IMHO. But at the same time I think that null should have a little more range on medium and smalls. It blows that even using the long range ammo you spend most of your time in scram range. So more range there... sure.. why not.
But that still won't stop me using void as my standard ammo. I didn't buy a proteus for its optimal |
Tub Chil
Heretic University Heretic Nation
9
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:00:00 -
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Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range? |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
40
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:03:00 -
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Tub Chil wrote:Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range?
Because we could do with not turning blasters into ****** lasers with more damage
Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] http://themabinogion.blogspot.com/ |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
340
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:05:00 -
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Kn1v3s 999 wrote:They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.
I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)
you have no idea what youre talking about. imho. |
Tub Chil
Heretic University Heretic Nation
9
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Posted - 2012.01.15 17:14:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Tub Chil wrote:Instead of buffing Null range, why not buff blaster range? Because we could do with not turning blasters into ****** lasers with more damage Your assumption that I am offering 200% optimal buff is wrong |
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.16 08:15:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Kn1v3s 999 wrote:They should stop buffing blasters and tweak the ships that are using em, that s the broken part.
I really dislike this and the AF buff as it is, not the right way to go imho. There are so many many things that needs a rework and they keep pushin for things that are already used enough (I.E. AF in low sec are very common)
you have no idea what youre talking about. imho.
Step 1. Post with your main if you don t wanna to be taken as a (bad) troll Step 2. Explain yourself, it s called discussion, you give your point i give you mine, thats how it works. Step 3. Even with not great expierence like others, i have flown mostly Gallente hulls and mostly solo. Step 4. I just think that buffing a claas ship that already have is niche (low-sec brawler) and is very used is just not the first step in a balancing plan. You should start with something clearly broken like EAF or tweak ship by ship (out of 24 frigates t1 having only 4-5 worth the effort to fly is sad, cruiser t1 need a rework especially on the Amarr side, Prophency, Eagle and so on)
All that being said, i'm happy they re working on the balancing aspect of the game, i just think then they re doing it wrong |
Wacktopia
Noir.
144
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:27:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:You can't fly a Diemost like Vaga when Vaga's 50 faster. What makes Winmatar win is a combination of speed and range, not just range. It can kill most things, whatever it can't kill, it can gtfo. At worst, you don't get a kill. But with Diemost, you just die.
And btw, null range, now with +15 of very little base range, is still very little, not even close to that of barrage or scorch.
I know you wuv Winmattar but hear me out on this...
Firstly, I agree with what you a saying about the Vaga but it does not mean the Deimos cannot be used like that at all. You should know that I was generally refering to Liang's championing of the Deimos vs Vagabond. Yes, the Deimos is slower but to 'fly it like a vaga' you just need to be faster than your target to be able to kite it. So, the Deimos can do this to fewer ships because it is slower but it does not mean it cannot be flown in this way at all. Granted, 1v1 the Vaga would be faster and can dictate range/run away but I am not making a comparison of these two ships fighting each other 1v1.
Please check my comparrison of Null Deimos vs Barrage Vagabond. As you can see, if the buff goes through then the Null damage projection is more like Barrage. Furthermore, at 20-24km range, where you are likely to want to be if you're maintaining a point, the Null Deimos outperforms the Vaga in damage.
I would certainly not describe Null as "not even close to that of barrage" in my above example. When compared to scorch, however, Null still does not stack up at all. . |
Wacktopia
Noir.
144
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:51:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:this basically shows that the Vaga and Deimos are useless ships (as they are now), and that the Mega still sucks in fleets.
What? Useless for what? Pretty sure I see a fair number of Vaga's floating about.
Hungry Eyes wrote:maybe if you crunch more numbers harder, you'll $hit out a proper hybrid buff , which you can then mail to CCP.
Yeah or maybe I could roam around the forums posting inane comments like this one? . |
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Takeshi Zakharov
Lets Get Rocked Important Internet Spaceship League
13
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Posted - 2012.01.16 14:40:00 -
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The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding. Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
197
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:54:00 -
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Takeshi Zakharov wrote:The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding. Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special. I've always found it funny they claim they are good in pvp , and somehow all they do is play all day and blob the solo -small gang pve /beginner pilots in their system. Oh and they come with how good their battleclinic position/points which is greatly favours this kind of "pvp". |
Aisha's Vengence
19
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Posted - 2012.01.16 19:44:00 -
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Takeshi Zakharov wrote:The general smugness from lowsec morons who think they are god's gift to EVE-Online because they kill idiots who come through their systems is astounding. Hint: Your experiences do not reflect the general experiences of other PVPers or EVE pilots. Get over it. You are not special.
*Puffs out her bird-like chest*
HEY BRO, COME OUT TO AMAMAKE AND FARM MY TEARS. I MUST BE SO BAD. I'LL MAKE FRAPS OF THE 10v1 where I am one and my 20 gangmates don't count because... stfu they don't count.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
591
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Posted - 2012.01.16 20:07:00 -
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I do believe I am hearing the lamentations of their women. Thanks Aisha's Vengeance!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
20
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:30:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I do believe I am hearing the lamentations of their women. Thanks Aisha's Vengeance!
-Liang
CFC has no women. |
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