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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
205
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Posted - 2012.01.11 23:50:00 -
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Atticus, Atticus...(I love To Kill A Mockingbird, btw)...this isn't a no holds barred game. It may be cutthroat, but it's got an intricate and complicated weave of limitations. The eternal kill rights? Yeah, yeah. Sure you start out that pissed, but five years from now you'd look at that name on your list and wonder...who was that again? It's similar to a friends list. In the heat of the moment you friended the guy, six months later you have no idea why.
Allow cooler heads to prevail. Make the offender a contact so he's "always there." Then do it the civilized way. Just go out and blow him to bits when you get a chance. It's the humane thing to do. Having eternal kill rights on the dude just loses the clandestine nature of things. Having the right to kill him, and just wanting to do it...it's like being allowed a slice of pie, or just nabbing it from the window sill as it cools.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2117
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:39:00 -
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Xuko Nuki wrote:It would be fun if these lasted forever, and you could lay in wait for years, patiently anticipating exacting your vengeance, like an ancient samurai. Then SWOOSH you emerge from a bush and chop his head off in front of his village elders.
ah yes, the ancient samurai who screams bloody murder when someone shoots him as he runs his mining bot |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
211
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:46:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Xuko Nuki wrote:It would be fun if these lasted forever, and you could lay in wait for years, patiently anticipating exacting your vengeance, like an ancient samurai. Then SWOOSH you emerge from a bush and chop his head off in front of his village elders. ah yes, the ancient samurai who screams bloody murder when someone shoots him as he runs his mining bot
You mean the one who, upon exacting justice on one who has wronged him, is immediately killed by the police? |
Ayuren Aakiwa
K1llUminat1
6
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:47:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Someone pods you and you only have 1 month to legally get him back?
Where's the logic in that? I thought EVE was supposed to be this cut-throat, no holds barred game. Make the kill right permanent until restitution or revenge takes place.
Let's see the bad-ass pirates strut there stuff in high-sec then.
Or is that too hardcore for the itty-bitty babies? Awwww.....
SO MAD !! |
J Kunjeh
321
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:50:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:You can kill anyone as long as they aren't cloaked in the middle of space or docked.
Killrights are for cowards. So who are killmails for? The phallically-challenged?
Precisely...I think you're finally starting to understand Eve. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Khanh'rhh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
632
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:08:00 -
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It takes a lot of skill to make an Eve-avatar look as ******** as your OP, but you managed it with aplomb.
I have had as many as 15 people with killrights on me at any one time. Not one has ever fired a shot.
I even explained to one guy (who was as mad as you) that he could seek revenge, and everyone in local told him it was a lie, and a trap to get him CONCORDED.
Welcome to highsec.
I'm not against your proposition, I'm against people being as stupid as you, and making it not matter. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
21
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:21:00 -
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Hate to burst OP's bubble, but you don't get killrights for being podded. Name a shrub after me.-á Something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
71
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:28:00 -
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I have to say I like the idea,
But ONLY if the attacker as well loses a lot less standing for the kill.
Having the kill rights - or making the kill is what seems to be the fun part of the game. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
22
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:44:00 -
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I actually gave some thought as to why killrights should or should not last more than a month.
Killrights lasting only a month are to help ease people into pvp and they are not for those who wrack up killrights every single day.
Consider this, a pilot that wracks up killmails daily/weekly wants to fight. They dont care about killrights because they are fighting all of the time. They want to be shot at.
Someone just sticking their feet into the pvp pond are going to think about their pimped out mission running ship, their faction fit Fleet Stabber, their mining barge, etc, and will be less likely to pvp if they think there is a chance they will have killrights on them forever.
One month killrights are for those that need a little bit of extra hand holding as they go from mining/mission monkey to eyes blazing need to kill everything in sight pvpers. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
86
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Posted - 2012.01.12 04:15:00 -
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Everyone is out to get you regardless of whether you destroyed their ship and/or pod first. This is EVE. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
282
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Posted - 2012.01.12 04:20:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Someone pods you and you only have 1 month to legally get him back?
Where's the logic in that? I thought EVE was supposed to be this cut-throat, no holds barred game.
I know, right. Surely you should just be able to pop dudes right left and centre and not have a care in the world as long as you're perfectly prepared to deal with someone being able to do it right back to you.
Oh wait, that wasn't the point you were making. What a shame. |
Cebit
FLA5HY RED
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 06:05:00 -
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Don't think ever much worried about who, or how many there are in the "have killrights on you" tab.
Usually it just kept loading to the point i thought my comp had locked up, so was avoiding looking there as much possible. If anyone ever wanted to cash in that killright out there it shouldn't be all to hard find the guy. They tend to usually be roaming around, looking for adding a few more to their list.
Not played much the last few months thou, so might be clear now. Looking forward to some more freetime to start filling it up again |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
952
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Posted - 2012.01.12 06:07:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:I actually gave some thought as to why killrights should or should not last more than a month.
Killrights lasting only a month are to help ease people into pvp and they are not for those who wrack up killrights every single day.
Consider this, a pilot that wracks up killmails daily/weekly wants to fight. They dont care about killrights because they are fighting all of the time. They want to be shot at.
Someone just sticking their feet into the pvp pond are going to think about their pimped out mission running ship, their faction fit Fleet Stabber, their mining barge, etc, and will be less likely to pvp if they think there is a chance they will have killrights on them forever.
One month killrights are for those that need a little bit of extra hand holding as they go from mining/mission monkey to eyes blazing need to kill everything in sight pvpers.
Sorry, but I have to call BS on this.
The Kill Rights system allows a player to get revenge on another who has illegally destroyed his ship in Empire space (0.1 to 1.0 security systems)and is only granted if the attacked player had no chance or desire to fight back. Returning fire on an illegal kill attempt will void or negate any kill rights being granted. Kill rights are only granted on SHIP kills, not POD kills.
I agree with the OP that kill rights should last until revenge has been fulfilled.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2585
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Posted - 2012.01.12 07:16:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Ah, the excuses. What's the matter badasses.....afraid of always having to look over your shoulder for your past misdeeds?
Revenge is best served cold...and when the victim feels safe and secure. Not when on alert for one month. You really think he's even going to remember who you are after a week? I have personally never care or worry about people I ganked/podded coming back to get me, and I don't know anyone who does. But don't let that deter you. Go ahead and chestbeat some more about how people are scared of you for a month after podding you. So you agree, killrights should be permanent? Big bad capsuleer like yourself wouldnt be deterred by this right? Sure. Whatever. If I shot and killed you once, I can shoot and kill you again, and will likely be prepared for combat anyway. I don't think you get it: people who know their PvP don't really care about kill rights at all because a) we don't hang out in hisec, and b) when we do, we are usually in control of the situation, even if it goes downhill, and c) losing ships is an everyday occurrence; "Oh no, you killed me. *slow clap*"
And (d) hardly anyone ever even tries to use those killrights anyway.
If they haven't tried within 30 days, how long will they take?
PS Support my Bounty Hunting via transferrable killrights proposal so we can actally see more PvP in hi-sec:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32462 Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Atticus Fynch
313
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:08:00 -
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Look at it this way: a 3 month old newb that gets ganked can never meet the firepower of a 2, 3, 4 year old veteran simply because they dont have the skills to meet the ganker's. Training to meet your foe's skill will take more than a month.
So kill rights should have no expiration IMO. Again, im looking at this from a security standpoint. Why take a security hit just becuase you cant kill them in a month? Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Psychotic Tendencies.
156
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:14:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Someone pods you and you only have 1 month to legally get him back?
Where's the logic in that? I thought EVE was supposed to be this cut-throat, no holds barred game. Make the kill right permanent until restitution or revenge takes place.
Let's see the bad-ass pirates strut there stuff in high-sec then.
Or is that too hardcore for the itty-bitty babies? Awwww.....
It is a cut-throat game.
You can get revenge without CONCORD's permission.
You can kill them anywhere, anytime you like, if you are up for it.
There's also plenty of folks who have such a bad security status that you can even kill them without CONCORD caring.
Some of these people are even pirates.
and some of the pirates are even 'bad-ass'.
Just sayin.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
254
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:22:00 -
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I think someone got shotted in non-concensual pvp, been thinking about how when he has just one million more sp and learns to fly a combat ship how he's gonna go and kick.. Oh, the killrights ran out - phew thanks god for that, now all I have to do is tell the world how I WAS going to hunt him and make him pay, NO REALLY I WAS ABOUT TO GO! Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1195
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:27:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I think someone got shotted in non-concensual pvp, been thinking about how when he has just one million more sp and learns to fly a combat ship how he's gonna go and kick.. Oh, the killrights ran out - phew thanks god for that, now all I have to do is tell the world how I WAS going to hunt him and make him pay, NO REALLY I WAS ABOUT TO GO!
Rico Minali wrote: Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Your sig sums up the OP's history of shiptoasts perfectly... except OP doesn't seem to view them as a joke. |
Khanh'rhh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
632
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:37:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Look at it this way: a 3 month old newb that gets ganked can never meet the firepower of a 2, 3, 4 year old veteran simply because they dont have the skills to meet the ganker's. Training to meet your foe's skill will take more than a month.
So kill rights should have no expiration IMO. Again, im looking at this from a security standpoint. Why take a security hit just becuase you cant kill them in a month?
Assuming NO SHIP OR COMBAT SKILLS AT ALL: - Train into a Rupture or Thorax Will take you mebbe 10 days. You can do it in a catalyst or Thrasher if you're looking to catch him hauling (etc). - Get friends (this is an MMO...) - Attack nasty foe, shoot in the face! - Your friends (as many as you need) can provide you with ganglinks, command boosts, remote reps and tracking links, as necessary. - Win - ??? - Gloat.
Assuming you can run a level 2 or 3 mission - Train propulsion jamming. - Get friends (this is an MMO...) - Attack nasty foe, shoot in the face! - Your friends (as many as you need) can provide you with ganglinks, command boosts, remote reps and tracking links, as necessary. - Win - ??? - Gloat.
Anyone can achieve it in a month. The problem is you. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Atticus Fynch
313
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:47:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:It takes a lot of skill to make an Eve-avatar look as ******** as your OP, but you managed it with aplomb.
I'm not against your proposition, I'm against people being as stupid as you, and making it not matter.
Khanh'rhh wrote: Anyone can achieve it in a month. The problem is you.
The only problem is that you cant post without insult. WTF is your problem? Either discuss civily or STFU. Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
63
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:00:00 -
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If it takes you longer than 30 days your most likely saving up to craft your enemy a sweet new KM. If your enemy was a true pie than all you need is a point and a high-sec gate to get revenge. Or not dieing is an option that way you don't have to worry so much about the time constraint. I guess you want to just wait, like a year till they forget you *yawn*. News flash they don't care, wanna hurt there feelings go to the low sec they live in, use your care bear stash to buy every thing and put it back up with a 0 added in, or just go to thier favored hunting grounds and put up warp stabs in every station at low prices for months. I'm almost certain this will **** them off more in the end than a gf and a loss mail.
Why are all the squishes so quick to demand core mechanic game changes as apposed to thinking for 30 seconds to 10 minutes about there situation and how to turn it around. Its never how do I get them back or how do I not let this happen again. But in stead it "this is broken" "this needs fix" "this should favor my play style". Grow up.
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Atticus Fynch
313
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:06:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote: Why are all the squishes so quick to demand core mechanic game changes as apposed to thinking for 30 seconds to 10 minutes about there situation and how to turn it around. Its never how do I get them back or how do I not let this happen again. But in stead it "this is broken" "this needs fix" "this should favor my play style". Grow up.
Where in this topic did you see the word "demand", "this is broken," "this needs fix?"
If all you see is black and white and cant discuss changes to a game without it threatening you somehow then dont bother posting. Seems a lot of you have some kind of persecution complex.
"Grow up"
LOL..that's a good one. It's a game dude. How grown up do you need to be to play an imaginary spaceship game? Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:13:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Revenge is best served cold...and when the victim feels safe and secure. Not when on alert for one month.
See this is where you really have no idea what you're on about.
Nobody cares if someone has killrights on them or not. Well I say nobody, but what I mean is really "nobody involved in PvP cares". If someone has killrights on me and wants to exercise them, well that's great as I may get a decent fight.
You are playing entirely the wrong game if you believe that killrights are of any concern to the guy who shot you. They're not. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
95
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:13:00 -
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I see no reason why the kill rights shouldn't be permanent. I don't think anyone would care any way. The hard-ass pirates don't care, because they don't ever leave low sec or 0.0. The low-life gankers in niarja and jita don't care, because they got -10 ss.
All real pirates don't care if they got kill rights on them, at least that's what they brag about all the time, so making them permanent wouldn't change anything from their perspective and would change a lot from the high sec care bear perspective. A care bear could train up for pvp within a few months, get the guns and ship, track you down and kill you one day.
In other words - pirates think they are badass, so they should not cry about such a change.
Care bears would be happy.
So summing it up, everyone would get what they wanted. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
928
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:38:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.
Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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SpawnSupreme
War Mongers
1
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Posted - 2012.01.12 11:45:00 -
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through all the flame i bring you my +
this idea is fine thosenew guys cant do crud for a while to come i say if you do the crime , get you butt whooped lol
eye for an eye
i have over 110 mill sp and plent capable to kill anyone i see fit but what if im in iraq or afganistan away at real life war and need time to get back to you!!!
what if im to busy to bother with you and just wait till you show your face in local i think eye for eye if you agress do the crime to get on the kill list you should be there till you are manualy removed from list or revenge has taken place |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
4851
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Posted - 2012.01.12 11:47:00 -
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Personally I wouldn't care if it was permanent, it really makes no difference to me as I can be shot any time anywhere. But I can see the need for a time limit in regards to other players, as their play style is not the same.
But if revenge is really an issue, a month surely would be enough. Even if it's not, then you can still seek revenge, the loss of the kill right doesn't remove your option to kill the other pilot.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Gankers tend to use alts - they want to upset you. You won't know their main characters so you can't get any meaningful revenge. Gate campers usually have friends in the area and camp those gates like miners sit in asteroid belts. Being a parasite or turd in this game has no real consequences but they think they are awesome. This is a quality post, well, it made me laugh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
30
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Posted - 2012.01.12 12:31:00 -
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OP please stop making threads. Or at least lay off making threads that effect gameplay mechanics until you've played a little bit longer, you're just getting trolled and no one is ever going to implement these changes. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
65
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Posted - 2012.01.12 12:58:00 -
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I'm not a pie, but ill shoot you in low-sec if your slow, taking my resorces, takin my kills, fly an ugly/flash ship, or if you fight for one of the wrong sides. I do not feel your colecting and banking KR's is correct. As leagil retaliation between emortals is an odd thing to make laws about, I would say it comes down to the premeditated component, and stewing for a year is hell-a premeditated. The "noob" that needs the time to train up also needs more deaths to learn timing and combat, and to what losse once more to the higher skillpoint and vetren PvPer?
Aslo mosr Pie's have a "can be killed list so long that the odds off them remebering you are like a fast food casher recalling that one time you came I and got coffee at rush hour, your already off there raidar, STRIKE WELL THE IRON & GUNS ARE STILL HOT! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
446
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:56:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:(stuff)
L2EVE or GB2WOW.
Take your pick.
Also, because I CBA to use a locator ... where you fly mostly? |
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