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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.28 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Depression
Originally by: Amy Tr'ader
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Yet at the same time we completely accept without any hesitation that some ships warp at 100 times the speed of light :)
Warping is not moving faster than the speed of light, it is the bending of space so that you can travel from a to b faster.
no it isn't read the background fiction
Correct. Warp in Eve does not bend space, but rather reduces the energy of the vacuum surrounding your ship, effectively making the speed of light faster than C (ie. the speed of light in 'normal' vacuum), perfectly acceptable.
Also, thermodynamics and conservation of energy are only correct as statistical models, they are not absolute event constraints.
Hey, and while we are frying our brains, a positron 'looks' exactly the same as an electron would if it was travelling backwards in time .. so, is it really an anti-electron, or is just a quirk caused by us looking at reality through a fixed forwards looking time window, not realising that physics couldn't give two hoots about time?
Hmmm...
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Jonny JoJo
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Posted - 2007.07.28 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 28/07/2007 19:38:13
Originally by: Avon Hey, and while we are frying our brains, a positron 'looks' exactly the same as an electron would if it was travelling backwards in time .. so, is it really an anti-electron, or is just a quirk caused by us looking at reality through a fixed forwards looking time window, not realising that physics couldn't give two hoots about time?
Thanks for explaining Desync
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Satsuki Kakuri
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Posted - 2007.07.28 19:40:00 -
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But I own a perpetual motion unit II....
/me frowns in annoyance at self
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Mithfindel
Amarr Ordo Crucis Argenteus
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Posted - 2007.07.28 19:49:00 -
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Posting a geeky post in a geeky thread.
Admittedly, didn't check what the backstory says about the warp, but in real life theoretical physics the two fast travel methods theoretically existing within the possibilities of the Theory of Relativity and other theories where space is multidimensional are called in modern "science fiction" (cowboy stories in space, Star Trek etc.) the jumpdrive and the warpdrive.
The jumpdrive is a shortcut between two places via hyperspace. Basically, it means that by some methods unknown to our current science the drive causes extreme curvature in space-time continuum, connecting two spots by a wormhole. Generally this would require some kind of a controlled miniature black hole or something similar.
The warpdrive is a bubble in the space-time continuum caused to move. It could be likened to surfing on a gravity wave. Theoretically this is a bit easier to accomplish than the wormhole generation, but it still requires astronomical amounts of energy. However, since the area on the center of the warp moves on sub-relativistic speeds (i.e. slower than 90% of the speed of light) this avoids the dilation effects. (Dilation calculations on the wormhole are a bit difficult, because current theories cannot explain what happens in singularities - though technically, if it's a hole connected to something else, it's just an odd-shaped location in space, not a singularity. However, the gravitational energies required to cause such a phenomenon would cause some groovy effects.)
Dilation: The part relevant in long-distance space travel is that time flows differently in different locations in space, depending on their speed. This and other effects become notable in speeds higher than 0.9c (90% of the speed of light, roughly 270,000 km/s in a vacuum). Ultimately, in a craft travelling at exactly one c time stands still, though due to other laws, reaching this speed requires an infinite amount of energy. Naturally, the rule has a minor effect in slower speeds. (This has been verified by flying an atom clock around the globe.)
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861 The other one I can think of are the named target painters.
Ohhhh, that explains those rediculous names. Ha! I got it!
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 29/07/2007 00:39:47 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 29/07/2007 00:38:36
Originally by: Wylker You think perpetual motion is impossible? Look what Bob has been up to: (...) image (...)
OMG this is great :) I knew this image, I knew this alliance, I just didn't made the correlation. Trully something they can do, ingame.
Thank you, I can sleep well now. -=-=-
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Tr'ader
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Yet at the same time we completely accept without any hesitation that some ships warp at 100 times the speed of light :)
Warping is not moving faster than the speed of light, it is the bending of space so that you can travel from a to b faster.
a - Pls somebody explain to me what is the difference between time & space in Einstein's laws. b - Science fiction -=-=-
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Amy Tr'ader
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Yet at the same time we completely accept without any hesitation that some ships warp at 100 times the speed of light :)
Warping is not moving faster than the speed of light, it is the bending of space so that you can travel from a to b faster.
a - Pls somebody explain to me what is the difference between time & space in Einstein's laws. b - Science fiction
1. What's being referred to here isn't "warping," it's creating a wormhole or bending space. Ships in EVE do indeed travel faster than the speed of light by normal means without bending space in any way. 2. I believe - someone correct me if I'm wrong - that time, like space, can be manipulated physically, a fact that is demonstrated by gravity's effects on time. Time exists as a fourth dimension, with space having three dimensions. I could provide an example using a 2-dimensional world + time as a metaphor for a 3-dimensional world, but that would probably just confuse most people here. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 29/07/2007 00:58:44
Time and space are linked by the lorentz matrix, if my 7 years old memory are still good. I'm not saying you're wrong but shortening space or shortening time is the same in this special case of physics.
-edit- wow, I'm still good, woot Lorentz matrix - wikipedia -=-=-
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