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General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:58:00 -
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So you decided to change nos , because of forum whines or because you whanted to flex the nerfbat i dunno . Personaly i always fought to keep Nosferathu the way it is , now that the DEV team decided to change it i must accept it , but why for gods name did you decided to go for the worst solution ever ?
Because it wasn't suggested and you whanted to proove that only a DEV coud do it ? Maybe maybe not but look at the storm 10 % say ya now how about the othe 90 % they propose solutions , say no . Why cuz the other 90% actualy fight and pvp .
NOS slots is populare , staking penalty and sig radius are also spoken of . Choose on of them and you'll have the comunity behind keep the curent change and see more and more leaving . I beg you let us play EVE and enjoy it . Don't unleash the monster you have on SiSi Tux changed heat severeal times before he unleashed it . Do the same thing .
My fellow eve adicts if you agree please help me stop the curent NOSD change and relace it whit something that we whant and proposed pick you choice from the above.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse So you decided to change nos , because of forum whines or because you whanted to flex the nerfbat i dunno . Personaly i always fought to keep Nosferathu the way it is , now that the DEV team decided to change it i must accept it , but why for gods name did you decided to go for the worst solution ever ?
Because it wasn't suggested and you whanted to proove that only a DEV coud do it ? Maybe maybe not but look at the storm 10 % say ya now how about the othe 90 % they propose solutions , say no . Why cuz the other 90% actualy fight and pvp .
NOS slots is populare , staking penalty and sig radius are also spoken of . Choose on of them and you'll have the comunity behind keep the curent change and see more and more leaving . I beg you let us play EVE and enjoy it . Don't unleash the monster you have on SiSi Tux changed heat severeal times before he unleashed it . Do the same thing .
My fellow eve adicts if you agree please help me stop the curent NOSD change and relace it whit something that we whant and proposed pick you choice from the above.
Tux also added 6 cpu to the T2 and faction EANMs. He doesn't know wtf he's doing either. All that did was add an extra 100m to the cost of my Bthron setups.
For every guy like you, there's 10 guys like me who like the changes the way they are. This nos nerf is great.
Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Tux also added 6 cpu to the T2 and faction EANMs. He doesn't know wtf he's doing either. All that did was add an extra 100m to the cost of my Bthron setups.
For every guy like you, there's 10 guys like me who like the changes the way they are. This nos nerf is great.
Dont insult yourself. No one is crazy enough to continue to use a nos with this change. Everybody will use some neuts and then weapons, but for sure 0 nosses. I'm not arguing if they was fine or not, but those changes will add nos to the list of worthless modules.
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Brennus Anacletus
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Posted - 2007.07.31 16:33:00 -
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**** nos, put remote reps on your battleships and a cap injector on your curses with neuts
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Lore Isander
Caldari Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.31 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: murder one
Tux also added 6 cpu to the T2 and faction EANMs. He doesn't know wtf he's doing either. All that did was add an extra 100m to the cost of my Bthron setups.
For every guy like you, there's 10 guys like me who like the changes the way they are. This nos nerf is great.
Dont insult yourself. No one is crazy enough to continue to use a nos with this change. Everybody will use some neuts and then weapons, but for sure 0 nosses. I'm not arguing if they was fine or not, but those changes will add nos to the list of worthless modules.
Adapt nub.
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Eytre
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.31 17:45:00 -
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Reinforced Bulkheads
Dunno if that was fengdhal but nonetheless...
Originally by: Adaris Isn't there any advice that you can offer short of Wranglers more than apparent fetish for BALD NAKED AMARR CHICKS?
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Lord Loom
Loom Service Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.07.31 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eytre Reinforced Bulkheads
Dunno if that was fengdhal but nonetheless...
that was an awesome balance fix, oh wait ---------- KEEP TRY!!!
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Tutelary
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.31 19:50:00 -
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Do the Stacking penalty/Sig radius nerf to NOS if you want to, but this is totally worthless, you could just aswell remove the module from the game then.
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.31 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 31/07/2007 20:19:46 Its not about "adapt nub" its about that recent nerfs comes w/o any real reason, bulkheads nerf - why ? I got totaly no clue, because from what i remember ccp wanted more tanks, longer fights and stuff like that, and i was more than happy to slap bulkheads on my megat (since it is very low on cpu). Then we got eanm nerf due to analogy i would say is weird, (shieldtankers got it so slap it on armor too !). And now nos, only bad thing about nos was amount of ppl whining on it, who preffer to cry on forum instead thinking. Nos domi overpowered ? I will say u use ship that don't need cap to fire + passive tank, cap yourself out with neutras and watch domi dying. Eventualy just fit a smartbombs. In simple, counter to nos were passive tanks and cap injectors (this required some skill to sync with whatever use cap on ur ship, but after that they worked like charm). Or maybe it was becasue of "omg my inty can't solo bs because it nos me" whine ? Then grow up and stop trying to solo battleship in frigate, get couple of friends in frigates and pop him.
Funny thing is that my nos domi is still viaable, and even more powerfull than it was prenerf because now i know that my opponent won't have nos to counter my amagad capkilling. So if this is what u planned to nerf, u failed bad, cheers :P ---
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Raal Throx
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.31 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tutelary Do the Stacking penalty/Sig radius nerf to NOS if you want to, but this is totally worthless, you could just aswell remove the module from the game then.
Aye qft
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podd0r
Fudgepackers R Us
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Posted - 2007.07.31 20:41:00 -
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boo, *******, hoo
nos newbs
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Arkios Odymei
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.31 21:46:00 -
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Amarr recon pilot here.
Nos fix is good. Simple as that. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.01 03:44:00 -
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I'd have preferred the sig radius effect, but I suspect I'll get over it.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.08.01 05:13:00 -
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You'll have people whining no matter how they decide to change nos. Nos slots? Waah I can't fit my ship X way anymore! Stacking Penalty? What other Highslot mod has a stacking penalty (though you could with a bit of twisted logic make that one make sense). Sig Radius? People would whine that it was a nerf to battleships (as though they didn't have any other way to kill frigates. . . ), and it would take out Neutralizers in the same blow. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales |
Kebal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.01 05:36:00 -
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Personaly i liked the nos affecting targets Recharge rate idea. This would make them a different tool.
the targets capacitor store would remain un touched by the nosferatu, only thing effected would be how fast it recharges.
So that they work on a similar scale across all ships it would probly be best to set it to a % of the targets capacitor recharge.
While neuts on the other hand would not affect the recharge rate but would attack the capacitor reserve.
I am not a heavy nos user, and i did think the amarr recons were a little unbalanced concidering they are after all just cruisers, but i must say the proposed NOS nerf completly baffles me. i have no idea how they came up with this idea and what they realy expect to get out of it.
I personaly dont like the current proposed nos nerf.
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Aequitas Veritas
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.01 05:46:00 -
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Stacking penalty would be a better way of doing it unless they find a way to fix it for nos ships like amarr recons and dark blood ships...
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin |
PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lore Isander
Adapt nub.
lol? Why don't you adapt to nos instead? I feel saturated by stupidity.
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DerArt1st
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Posted - 2007.08.01 07:26:00 -
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Dear Mr.Developer / God / King of da game and so on...
Please, please... dont make the Curse and Pilgrim useless. Let them like they are at the moment. I tried laser, and i really like the pew pew and all this... but they are useless. So i went for the "good" Amarrships and decided that they are worth the long skillway... only to get raped again. Please, let them be usefull or just give me an option to "change" my skillpoints into another race. I dont want to live on the "construction site" in eve. Thanks.
With regards:
Your Customer
P.s.: I bought a 90 day gtc just some days before. But really, if u had told me that before, i wouldnt.
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Tahmee Bhakeur
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Posted - 2007.08.01 08:35:00 -
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Everyone thinks this NOS-nerf is targetted specifically at combat, but it affects anyone using a NOS to keep their cap up due to weapon fire and occasional tanking. NOS is just about as useful as Jana Jameson in Michael Jackson's bed. Sure, might do the vaccuming and tidy up the privy, but no sucking is going on!
NOS are make for sucking, not being sucky mods. Can't even rat using NOS to maintain Cap. This sucks on an unprecidented scale. I don't think any other nerf/fix has so completely screwed everyone in EVE simultaneously.
Limit all ships to 2 nos/neut maximum. 1 nos, 1 neut. 2 nos or 2 neut. Nothing more. Put in Capital NOS/NEUT so capitals can be drained and fought. or Staking Penalty.
TRY ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS BEING TESTED ON SISI AT THE MOMENT. It's so far beyond Suck that the light from Suck takes 500 years to reach it.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 08:38:00 -
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As I said before, Nos should be nerfed, but not so badly.
New Nos mechanics are just plain bad.
I want to see much gentler nerf, small steps
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podd0r
Fudgepackers R Us
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Posted - 2007.08.01 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Lore Isander
Adapt nub.
lol? Why don't you adapt to nos instead? I feel saturated by stupidity.
tell us how please.
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Shosen
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Posted - 2007.08.01 09:17:00 -
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Nerfs like these only allow people to find ways to exploit them which then leads to new nerfs and more whining on the forums. People will adapt to the nos nerf and get on with the game, but I guarantee the people that do a good job adapting will only have people yelling, HACKER, EXPLOIT, CHEATER, and eventually NERF. This is a never ending circle.
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Copine Callmeknau
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: General Apocalypse So you decided to change nos , because of forum whines or because you whanted to flex the nerfbat i dunno . Personaly i always fought to keep Nosferathu the way it is , now that the DEV team decided to change it i must accept it , but why for gods name did you decided to go for the worst solution ever ?
Because it wasn't suggested and you whanted to proove that only a DEV coud do it ? Maybe maybe not but look at the storm 10 % say ya now how about the othe 90 % they propose solutions , say no . Why cuz the other 90% actualy fight and pvp .
NOS slots is populare , staking penalty and sig radius are also spoken of . Choose on of them and you'll have the comunity behind keep the curent change and see more and more leaving . I beg you let us play EVE and enjoy it . Don't unleash the monster you have on SiSi Tux changed heat severeal times before he unleashed it . Do the same thing .
My fellow eve adicts if you agree please help me stop the curent NOSD change and relace it whit something that we whant and proposed pick you choice from the above.
Tux also added 6 cpu to the T2 and faction EANMs. He doesn't know wtf he's doing either. All that did was add an extra 100m to the cost of my Bthron setups.
For every guy like you, there's 10 guys like me who like the changes the way they are. This nos nerf is great.
Yes and this nos change will add 100-250mil to the price of my tempest.
Poisoning the chalice was a MUCH better nos nerf than this piece of crap
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Originally by: Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.01 11:37:00 -
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Dear flaming ladys , adapt or die knucklebrains here are some ships that can't adapt so if you here pls make them die or STFU .
Punisher - Nos is a natural thing to this ship unless you're gonan be an idiot and remote rep you enemy , laser usage also prevent's it from using a neut and also a neut is insignificant on a a ship of such a size in PvP
Maller - same as Punisher
Armageddon - On this ship a Neut woud be a weapon but due to it's PG,CPU and Cap Problems it is simply not practical, especialy in solo or small agang PvP .
Retribution - same as the Punisher .
Megatron - this ship can adapt but having a NOS on a Mega was far better then a launcher as Mega tends to have cap problems when using a full rack of T2 Neutrons . So enjoy flying it .
Zealot - again same as the Punisher
Sacrilege (including the MK II) - same as the Punisher
Say NO to the NOS nerf
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Nikol Kidman
Sadistic Influence
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Posted - 2007.08.01 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse Say NO to the NOS nerf
Truth is that NOS will be fixed, not nerfed.
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Neuromandis
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Posted - 2007.08.01 13:02:00 -
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I'd reply properly, but I cannot. I'm too fraking drunk.
We are having a party celebrating the NOS nerf here.
So, cry me a river? --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
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batmoth
Amarr Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Neuromandis I'd reply properly, but I cannot. I'm too fraking drunk.
We are having a party celebrating the NOS nerf here.
So, cry me a river?
Gee, Is it just me or am I seeing alot of noobs cheering in here. Anyways the nerf is a nerf. Reasons 1. curse and to prove it here is the stats:
specified bonus. Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level
Fittings are: PG-900 CPU- 380 highs 5 (2turret-4Missle) mids 6 lows 4
Cap-1250 recharge 343.75
Now with specific bonuses such as this that means that this ship is specialized in NOS and Nuet. Now with this nerf it has to rely more on nuets then nos but in turn is has a small cap (especially if fitted with a MWD). Trying t fit nuets in place of some of the nos would make it even tighter fit or almost impossible. Now if you look at the other recons there specific bonus's have not been nerfed. and before you start up on ecm let me remind you that they just nerfed the ability to jam everybody just by using multispecs. but if you fit racial specific jammers on it u got it.
But anyways, I belive this nerfs intent was to make the nos domi, typhoon and mach less likely to use nos since 2 out of the three ships are easy to get into. and fairly cheap as well compared to the curse.
2. Now if they went with a sig radius nerf with the nos they would see alot less whining and it would help to keep the frigs alive longer for freinds to come in and assist or get out of dodge.
3. Also when it comes to capital ships your now going to have to field alot of dd's to take it down instead of using domi's and nos.
overall I think that the sig radius Idea should have been used in this instead of the current idea. It would hurt the ships respectively and not make the curse a crappy ship even though it would hurt it a bit though. If they want to keep the current nos idea they are going to have to find a way of modifying the bonus's on the curse/pilgrim to either: A be able to fit nuets on properly with out running out of cap in 3cycles or change the bonus's out right to something like 10%less cap consumption for energy nuets.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.08.01 19:14:00 -
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I love the way people seem to think that this change means that Nos will NEVER work on your enemy and that their enemies will somehow always have less cap than they do, and at the same time complain about their ship setups capacitor problems. . .
Not since the ECM nerf or the Rokh rendering all other BS 'obsolete' have I seen such whine. Flash forward a few months. The Rook can still render a few enemies helpless, Blackbirds still sell, and Megathrons/Hyperions/Tempests/Abaddons/Apocs are still flown in fleet warfare. People will adapt. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales |
batmoth
Amarr Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.01 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis I love the way people seem to think that this change means that Nos will NEVER work on your enemy and that their enemies will somehow always have less cap than they do, and at the same time complain about their ship setups capacitor problems. . .
Not since the ECM nerf or the Rokh rendering all other BS 'obsolete' have I seen such whine. Flash forward a few months. The Rook can still render a few enemies helpless, Blackbirds still sell, and Megathrons/Hyperions/Tempests/Abaddons/Apocs are still flown in fleet warfare. People will adapt.
First of all I already looked at the math, it is bad for the curse really bad. Fitting requirements and cap shortage are the two main problmes. Secondly. ECM nerf only nerf muti specs and the race specific ECM still work for the caldari recon. Thirdly, tempests, megas, and apocs have always been able to fleet adn the addtion to the teir 3 ships make it more versitile. so I dont know where you are going with that.
and tell you what try doing the math on he curse and tell me how you can get it to be compitent in pvp and not kill itsself in the process. I doubt you will be able to
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Drash Kammatarr
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.01 22:49:00 -
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NO to nos-nerf!
and btw: thx for using my sig, i'm glad it's found a good purpose :)
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