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Josson Turtur
Gallente Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.11 15:58:00 -
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I love drones. They're my babies!
After gaining several skill levels in Drone Navigation, I'm starting to notice that my Heavy Drones (Ogre I specifically) have not been performing up to my expected standard. They work fine against cruisers and such, but under perform against smaller frigates which tackle or buzz close to my ship.
So naturally, I thought I should get a Webifier and slow down frigates that get near me so my drones can decimate them. I bought an X5 and went to work.
To my surprise, when I webify a small frigate, 90% of the time, the Ogre Is can't even hit the target. And it turns into a very embarrassing stalemate.
It seems that the tracking speed of the Ogre Is cannot keep up with the high orbit velocity of the Drones. Which makes using larger drones against smaller targets useless, especially when you webify them and slow them down. (Which doesn't make much sense to me, but the numbers do check out.)
so I was thinking, instead of using a webifier to slow down a target (Which I found out doesn't work), would it be possible to increase the targets signature radius with a few target painters? I've tried this in the past, even with the PWNAGE, but I never really noticed a difference. Maybe I can use multiple Target Painters and the signature radius increase will stack?
So many problems, and I really want to create a drone boat that relies 100% on drones for damage. So I come to the forums in hopes that the brilliant community will help me in my goal.
To Recap, here are some questions:
(1) Is the drone low tracking speed, and high orbit velocity intentional? (2) Do Target Painters help drones hit their target? (3) Is there any way to use a webifier on a target, and still have drones be affective and actually hit the target? (4) Is it possible to create a setup that uses just 5 Heavy Drones (Specifically Ogres) for offence and be able to hit the smallest target out there? And if so, how? :)
Ok, that's all I wanted to post. Have at. _
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.11 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 11/08/2007 16:00:29 I'll just say target painters+drones=love!!!
Yeah, they work, and how.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.11 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Josson Turtur
(1) Is the drone low tracking speed, and high orbit velocity intentional? (2) Do Target Painters help drones hit their target? (3) Is there any way to use a webifier on a target, and still have drones be affective and actually hit the target? (4) Is it possible to create a setup that uses just 5 Heavy Drones (Specifically Ogres) for offence and be able to hit the smallest target out there? And if so, how? :)
(1) Intentional as in "not a bug," yes. Unfortunately increasing drone speed doesn't increase their tracking, meaning that against small targets they can orbit too quickly to hit it reliably. (2) Possibly, depending (3) Webifiers can actually hurt your drones' ability to hit because if the drones are chasing a target and not outrunning it by a significant margin, the targets transversal velocity will be fairly low, allowing the drones clear shots. Webbing the target end up with the drones circling around it, and you run into the problem described in (1) (4) Yes, actually! You need an Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer - increases tracking on drones by 20%. I think you'll find that much more effective than a webber or target painter in that regard. Hope this help! ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
Ritzenhoff
Gallente Bessemer Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.11 16:07:00 -
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As noted in previous posts, webs help your guns but make no difference to drones. Target painters are good for both your guns and drones.
But really, think of heavy drones like large guns. Pretty much no matter what, if you have large guns only, you won't hit a frigate.
However, you will find that medium drones can be pretty effective against frigs. I typically use 5x mediums and 5x large drones in my Dom when running missions. Send the mediums out, take out the smaller targets, return, then let the heavies lose on whatever cruisers and battleships aren't dead yet...
Mediums also have the advantage that they are significantly faster than heavies too. They move from target to target extremely quickly, so even if you could hit the frigates with your heavies, it'd be faster to take out a pack of frigs with mediums.
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Casaja DTir
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:24:00 -
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I agree with Ritzenhoff, I carry Hornet II's with me for the annoying Frigates + hammerhead II's and T1 Large (ogre or berserkers). If the Drone bay is large enough even some Medium racial drones, webbers,gun jamming, and repair drones depending of gang and Objective.
Cheers
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:29:00 -
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Frigates have such a tiny sig radius that the larger drones, moving around them at their anemic orbit speed, cant hit them.
Its smarter to NOT web frigates, so that the drones will tail behind, and have a better transversal to hit them.
OR, you can just call them back and send out mediums or smalls to kill the frigs. In most cases, its ALOT faster than using heavies. ----------------- Friends Forever
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:30:00 -
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but i like picking off frigs with heavy arty at 100 km...
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Sul Sonic
Caldari Versatility Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sul Sonic on 11/08/2007 17:41:44 Pure speculation here, but perhaps webifying your drones will help them with their tracking speed? If they go slower, then their tracking will work better. The idea is to reduce transversal velocity.
EDIT: I do not believe Tracking speed has ANYTHING to do with signature radius. Weapons have a Signature Resolution, and a tracking speed. Tracking speed is affected by Transversal Velocity, and Signature Resolution is affected by Signature Radius.
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Xiaodown
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:46:00 -
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I would assume webbing a target with like 2 90% webs would still help out with Sentry drones.
But, w/e.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.11 17:52:00 -
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why not web your own drones?
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Zorinna
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Posted - 2007.08.12 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zorinna on 12/08/2007 11:09:26 because apparently making Drone AI smart enough to do 'strafing runs' (where their superior speed doesn't hurt their tracking) instead of orbiting continually is to much work...
asif putting turrets on a drone or fighter makes any kind of engineering sense anyway..
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Josson Turtur
Gallente Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Josson Turtur on 18/08/2007 10:10:27 CCP should let us write scripts for our baby drones... or make drones smarter :) _
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 18/08/2007 10:37:15
Josson, why not use light drones for frigates?
They eat them quickly.
For cruisers and above you use the heavys.
If you do not have enough space for heavys and lights, then medium drones might be an idea. They work against cruisers, BSs and most frigs, and should also work ok for webbed inties.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Josson Turtur
(1) Is the drone low tracking speed, and high orbit velocity intentional? (2) Do Target Painters help drones hit their target? (3) Is there any way to use a webifier on a target, and still have drones be affective and actually hit the target? (4) Is it possible to create a setup that uses just 5 Heavy Drones (Specifically Ogres) for offence and be able to hit the smallest target out there? And if so, how? :)
(1) Intentional as in "not a bug," yes. Unfortunately increasing drone speed doesn't increase their tracking, meaning that against small targets they can orbit too quickly to hit it reliably. (2) Possibly, depending (3) Webifiers can actually hurt your drones' ability to hit because if the drones are chasing a target and not outrunning it by a significant margin, the targets transversal velocity will be fairly low, allowing the drones clear shots. Webbing the target end up with the drones circling around it, and you run into the problem described in (1) (4) Yes, actually! You need an Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer - increases tracking on drones by 20%. I think you'll find that much more effective than a webber or target painter in that regard. Hope this help!
1) is not totally correct, from other posts an old bug has resurfaced: the drones don't disactive tne MDW when circling a target, so they are too fast for the tracking capacity they have.
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:41:00 -
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Try drone tracking computers. 20% more range and tracking per module. Put 2 on and things should be a lot better, perhaps with 1 target painter as well.
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Redback911 Try drone tracking computers. 20% more range and tracking per module. Put 2 on and things should be a lot better, perhaps with 1 target painter as well.
Hmm, I dont know if I could share that advice.
Drone mods take up slots. Might be better to use these slots for other mods for tanking, speed, ew or so then to use them to make drones be able to hit targets which are not of the size they are designed to hit.
Just use the right size drones for the right size targets, seems most straightforward and best solution to me.
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