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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i seem to obviously be too stupid to come up with a plan over the course of a year's time. you must be correct, that sitting on it for 6+ months, not communicating with the public and then finding other scape-CEOs to run the corp must be the only way to do anything. guess that's why no other production corp or mutual fund have made zero profit the past year. oh wait.
Your facts are completely wrong.
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd is that why the ONLY two public corps you've backed in recent memory (emfi and aatp) have made SO much profit the past six months? just for clarification, in this case "SO much profit" = zero
Actually, I haven't backed any public corporations since the EIB scandal. The only "backing" I've done of EMFI and AATP was my campaign to get Naphtalia back in the game to transfer control of the corporations to people who have more time in game to manage them.
Please do research before you post, because when you don't, it makes you look like a fool.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari words
selective memory + untruths = great new ceo~!!
you just keep on making up your own history and past of what has/hasn't been said and try to twist/spin everything you can.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 15/08/2007 16:08:06 Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 15/08/2007 16:07:22 guess i was wrong, you endorsed more than just those two.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion Posted - 2007.03.19 21:24:00
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
honestly, if you've backed just a couple of bad investments, and i never notice any shiners (shiner being lots of isk return consistently); then, i've probably ignored you more than even noticed what you've had to say on this forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since EIB and the end of the age of the obvious scam IPOs, I have endorsed:
a) EMFI. Succeeded, but got pounded into the ground by the ISS failure. It'll be back eventually, so this is not really a failure or success. But it wasn't EMFI's fault really. I have around 600,000 EMFI shares. b) AATP. Very successful, getting better every day. I have about 700,000 AATP shares. c) FIN. Done great so far, don't see that it'll stop any time soon. I have 200,000 FIN shares. d) TINYDOT + ZERO: Both seem to be doing great. I have quite a number of shares of both.
I specifically avoided endorsing:
a) The northern ISS outposts. They never seemed like the smartest idea, and earned very little money. b) ISSO, for obvious reasons. Originally I bought 2b in shares, but got rid of them ASAP as I saw ISS go down the tubes.
edited: link to credibility thread
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:41:00 -
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Calm down or I will be alone again.
There is no point in saving shareholders if they do not want to be saved.
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:50:00 -
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Just becuase EMFI didn't pay any dividends, doesn't mean nothing happened or any isk was made.
you say: 9 months no dividends = sitting on isk for 9 months...
However EMFI has made roughly 30bil in the last 9 months, that is about 45% on the 65b EMFI was worth after the ISS crash.
This was done partly from receiving dividends. partly from buying back shares and partly from investing in good stocks at the right time...
Don't forget for example EMFI still bought in 50% of C-P-H when it IPO'ed and still did deals.
Anyways, I feel it won't really help talking to you, since you are just interested in.. well I don't know and don't care to be honest... probaby something to do with Rivers Enterprises.
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EMFI AATP
Advanced Astrological Technology Production
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:52:00 -
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Oh About AATP.. AATP also was quite active, till the CEO ran off, at that moment we arranged outsourcing of Tech2... scaled up the STUFF program, and had all isk locked in a CAPII BPO.
Then the t2 crash came in fullscale and the CAPII was repaid.. yes.. that isk (about 21b+) has been sitting idle for the last few months while searching for a new COO or CEO. which has been found only now.
The dividends were lower for AATP (last one 6 weeks ago or so?) mostly becuase of the lower investment after the CEO ran off (not me but the CEO that started the corp) and the Tech2 hurting.
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:53:00 -
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funny thing is, you don't even own shares in emfi/aatp and you only post becuase you are jealous of the slack I am getting, or the respect/trust/confidence peopel are showing me..
did anything not go too well with you in the past? or is this indeed mostly about TS?
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:01:00 -
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I remember how you said that you will get all the ISK back for sure and that you were immediately congratulated by a lot of people that you will do it. How is that going?
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor I remember how you said that you will get all the ISK back for sure and that you were immediately congratulated by a lot of people that you will do it. How is that going?
Not sure what you are talking about (ISS or EIBI? or SVE) anyways.... it is still going well.. not sure I think I said something like 4-12 months no dividends and buyback is in place.. I did about 10b of buybacks so far.. and the 12months aren't over and we are almost there....
but then, I am not really sure I understand your question.. nor am I sure why you would complain about "No whining" *shrug* ...
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:40:00 -
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I am just asking. There was a situation in a past where someone took a big loss because outposts were lost and the person in charge of the public company said do not fret because she will get this money for sure. Then everybody said that that person is such a stand up act. I said how about we wait till that is done before we congratulate that person just for planning. I got flamed for "being mean" to a well meaning person.
It is a similar to what OP is talking about.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor I am just asking. There was a situation in a past where someone took a big loss because outposts were lost and the person in charge of the public company said do not fret because she will get this money for sure. Then everybody said that that person is such a stand up act. I said how about we wait till that is done before we congratulate that person just for planning. I got flamed for "being mean" to a well meaning person.
It is a similar to what OP is talking about.
I think its best to wait until afterwards.
People don't like it if you flame someone who has a historically good reputation just because they encounter a difficulty; most posters seem to prefer that you give them a chance first.
However, if later on, it turns out they failed miserably in dealing with that difficulty, then you can look back and say they did a crappy job.
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:54:00 -
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OK but you are saying that I should wait before "flaming" but I am not flaming. I am only pointing out that they should wait before congratulating and assuming that the plan will come to fruition.
Now the people who flame me for saying that, should not wait until the plan comes to fruition?
I am not wrong because all I say is that we do not know what will happen. The people who flame me are wrong because even if the plan succeeded I still was not wrong because I did not say that the plan would not work. I only said to wait.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager Just becuase EMFI didn't pay any dividends, doesn't mean nothing happened or any isk was made.
you say: 9 months no dividends = sitting on isk for 9 months...
However EMFI has made roughly 30bil in the last 9 months, that is about 45% on the 65b EMFI was worth after the ISS crash.
This was done partly from receiving dividends. partly from buying back shares and partly from investing in good stocks at the right time...
Don't forget for example EMFI still bought in 50% of C-P-H when it IPO'ed and still did deals.
Anyways, I feel it won't really help talking to you, since you are just interested in.. well I don't know and don't care to be honest... probaby something to do with Rivers Enterprises.
does that somehow changed the fact that emfi has paid no dividends this year?
oh wait, probably has something to do with someone being in a hospital. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor I got flamed for "being mean" to a well meaning person.
the road to hell is paved with good intentions, dontcha know?
don't hate armadillo shells because they have no preferential treatment - they call liars liars, good deals good deals, and have no intent to spin things cuz well, they gots nothing to hide. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor OK but you are saying that I should wait before "flaming" but I am not flaming. I am only pointing out that they should wait before congratulating and assuming that the plan will come to fruition.
Now the people who flame me for saying that, should not wait until the plan comes to fruition?
I am not wrong because all I say is that we do not know what will happen. The people who flame me are wrong because even if the plan succeeded I still was not wrong because I did not say that the plan would not work. I only said to wait.
i think he meant "wait several years" since the waiting has gone on all year.
from an investor standpoint - a dog is a dog. no divs = crap. nav going down = crap. no communication on the "official blog site" for 6ish months = even more craptasms.
but, they mean well and they've done so much good work so far, just check out emfi.blogspot.com. oh wait. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.15 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 15/08/2007 20:04:49 this is going about as well as i figured it would.
oh we did nuffin wrong, just trust your money for us to um, not make div payments while lots of other corps do.
see, this is how the convos would've gone half a year ago, EXCEPT then, it'd have been "oh this just happened, you're full of beans, it'll be back up in no time" (sort of like dark shik's post back in march).
now it's "why you waited till now"? well, no one posting anything on the website and no "hey we issued no divs but this is how we're doing" posts to comment on that i noticed.
could be a new age. i guess we'll see in another 12 months. sorta like bob wiping goons from eve and not letting them have anythingatall in 0.0. lots of bigs words get thrown about, but the proof is in the pudding and this pudding aint putting out.
maybe yet more ceos can do it. although, i find it odd that it's other people, since the name i keep hearing as being the stellar person to be trusted so much isn't the name of either of those ceos.
so now it's good reputation by proxy... interesting. still crap, but interesting spin, again. |
Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does that somehow changed the fact that emfi has paid no dividends this year?
oh wait, probably has something to do with someone being in a hospital.
I really don't get your point... and what you are trying to achieve.. /shrugs
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.16 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does that somehow changed the fact that emfi has paid no dividends this year?
oh wait, probably has something to do with someone being in a hospital.
I really don't get your point... and what you are trying to achieve.. /shrugs
the same thing emfi/aatp has achieved?
s'ok, i'm just some forum alt noob, what do i know about money? |
TornSoul
BIG
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Posted - 2007.08.17 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
So in my opinion Tornsoul was able to borrow 100 billion from his shareholders for a very cheap interest rate and he was using this money for his own investments. This is what all public eve companies could do because money is fungible.
You apparently don't know me very well. So please don't try and speculate about my actions. You've already proven you'll get it wrong.
ISK not on loan in the BMBE, has never been touched by anyone. Period.
You may not like me, but you can definatly trust me not to pull a stunt like that.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does that somehow changed the fact that emfi has paid no dividends this year?
oh wait, probably has something to do with someone being in a hospital.
I really don't get your point... and what you are trying to achieve.. /shrugs
the same thing emfi/aatp has achieved?
s'ok, i'm just some forum alt noob, what do i know about money?
Here's how it happened. ISS got ganked. EMFI says, "Hey guys ISS shares tanked, and we lost a bunch of NAV because of it. To fix the NAV I think we shouldn't pay divs until it gets back to where it should be. Or we could keep paying div's but your EMFI share will only be worth blah. You all vote on it, and we'll do what you vote for." EMFI holders voted to pause div's until NAV recovered. This was anticipated to be around September. Naph got burnt on EVE and didn't post much for a while. Now Naph says, "Hey guys, I'm kinda done with EVE, but I don't want to leave you all in the lurch with EMFI & AATP. Here's some things we can do, and this one I like. You like? Cool. New CEO's it is. Who's good for it? Ok. You all got CEO candidates, vote on it." And here we are now with new CEO's for EMFI and AATP taking things in hand.
So where in this did the investors get done over? Oh wait we didn't. Stuff happened and it got handled in the open. No fuss, no muss. Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) |
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl nice spin
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:36:00 -
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Ezoran DuBlaidd - You could have used this opportunity like I did to purchase up EMFI shares for about 6K and under then turn around and sell them for 7000-9000 per. For a Dividendless share they sure are pretty active on the exchanges.
I was only willing to risk about 300mil on shares that I though would tank or become useless, but it worked out in the end. Across my trades I now have 15,000 shares left and am only 34mil in the hole. That means to break even I only need to sell them for 2,300 per.
If the NAV goes back to 10,000 ISK per, and buy back is - NAV minus 10% then I will have made 101mil. I'm know I'm not making billions but I was willing to risk about 300mil to turn a maybe 100mil profit. I honestly can't say I complaining about making a 33% return.
Now if it tanks I'm really only risking 34mil in the end. Which is by far worth it in my opinion. Either I'm losing 34mil or making at least 100mil those are risks I'm willing to take.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.17 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Ezoran DuBlaidd - You could have used this opportunity like I did to purchase up EMFI shares for about 6K and under then turn around and sell them for 7000-9000 per. For a Dividendless share they sure are pretty active on the exchanges.
I was only willing to risk about 300mil on shares that I though would tank or become useless, but it worked out in the end. Across my trades I now have 15,000 shares left and am only 34mil in the hole. That means to break even I only need to sell them for 2,300 per.
If the NAV goes back to 10,000 ISK per, and buy back is - NAV minus 10% then I will have made 101mil. I'm know I'm not making billions but I was willing to risk about 300mil to turn a maybe 100mil profit. I honestly can't say I complaining about making a 33% return.
Now if it tanks I'm really only risking 34mil in the end. Which is by far worth it in my opinion. Either I'm losing 34mil or making at least 100mil those are risks I'm willing to take.
if it'd have been active on RESX, i'd have done that with aatp and emfi both, in a hearbeat.
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Eefrit
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:25:00 -
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I'm not interested in commenting on EMFi or AATP, however I would like to say that I think ISSO gets attacked far more than is warranted, and BMBE since Ray has been running it has also deserved less flack than it has been getting.
Here ends my 2 cents.
/Eefrit
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Femintaki
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic We were having a chat about this in EGSEx last night, most notably the amount paid out over time. It was interesting to see the age of corporations, and we managed to isolate the 5 oldest public corporations in Eve that are currently still in existence.
These corps, in order of creation:
EMFI AATP BMBE C-R-A FIN
Interesting.
Actually T2AHL is still very much alive and has been around a lot longer than many of those.
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Femintaki
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.20 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=575006&page=1#9
see, this is what i'm talking about, that makes no sense from an investor's point of view, specifically:
"On behalf of shareholders I would like to take this opportunity to thank Naphtalia for his vision with EMFI. It is a unique corp and was run by a unique CEO of the highest integrity. I hope to see EMFI Manager return in the future "
thank you for making no isk in a year's time and being absent for 6+ months from the emfi/aatp aspect at least? nice.
for a corp that has made investors next to no isk in a year's time, this sort of thing honestly makes me wonder. i guess it shows the sort of returns/share performance that certain individuals expect?
from the quoted text, one could basically leave his/her isk in their wallet, put out a couple of incredibly cheap buy orders, resell those a few months later and i've accomplished the same or better, profit-wise.
I am glad to say I hope you don't know me from Adam. I know little about the stock markets in eve these days but I do know much about EMFI and how it has been run, and how it made investment decisions.
When EMFI stopped paying dividends it had around 78 bil in assets due to the ISSO breakdown. Since then, simply by playing share markets quietly in the background, and reaping significant dividends, it has made approx 23 bil increase in value. You did not know this when I posted - but I did as I am a trustee of the fund and the new CEO post confirms it.
What I said makes complete sense, EMFI ran the corp with complete integrity. The shareholders should certainly be grateful for that. So he had some real life stuff to deal with, get over it, he kept in touch with a few people as he could - would you have done the same? For some reason I am not sure you would.
If you don't trust the people behind EMFI don't invest - simple as that. But don't try and rubbish the things I say on public boards - people who know me well know I don't give plaudits easily, there are few people in eve who I consider have earned enough of my respect to do so.
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