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Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:19:00 - [1] Eglennaert, Sinq Laison Earlier this week, I have finalised agreements with the SCC and CONCORD to open [MXD] Mixed Metaphor, a new corporation dedicated to supporting the Gallente Federation and its allies in furthering the causes of democracy and freedom in the cluster. I've worked long and hard for other corporations, particularly Luna Rossa Corporation, and developed loyalties with them, but I've always felt that while I've been paying lip service to my ideals and ambitions, I haven't been actively seeking to accomplish them. Thus, disagreements with the leadership of SMASH have led me to strike out on my own. I am currently looking to recruit members from any race, provided they have at least nominally positive standings with the Gallente Federation and support the corporation's goals. We have offices in both Eglennaert (our headquarters) and Jel (a border-zone mining venture). My eventual plan is to form a paramilitary, akin to CAIN or Reawakened Technologies, in support of the Gallente Federation, with a strong industrial base. Thus, all professions and skillsets are welcome. ----- I think it's little enough to ask that every Amarrian roll over and die so I can live in my vision of a perfect world.
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:37:00 - [2] Well, good luck, Mr. Ixiris.
Anton Teg Political Warfare Executive	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:44:00 - [3] In the ancient days of old- planet bound fighter pilots of opposing sides were said to have a deep seated honour and respect for each other. There were known instances of pilots shooting enemies down only to land themselves near the crash, to make sure that their enemies were not too badly injured. There will be none of that here however! Glad you've anounced yourselves and i look forward to shooting you down then blowing up yer pod you damn surendering, garlic smelling, freedom frog!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:38:00 - [4] Mr. Cool - thank you. I have held the Cyrene Initiative in high regard for quite some time. Mr. Tag - Whatever. ----- I think it's little enough to ask that every Amarrian roll over and die so I can live in my vision of a perfect world.
Koshmarnaya Akula Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:20:00 - [5] My best wishes in you pursuing what you believe in. K
Jack Malus Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:26:00 - [6] Good luck Andreus. The low security systems around Jel should prove an interesting training grounds for your pilots. ---
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris [MXD] Mixed Metaphor, a new corporation dedicated to supporting the Gallente Federation and its allies in furthering the causes of democracy and freedom in the cluster. My brother, I encourage you to support the ideals of "democracy and freedom" by severing any nationalist loyalty to the Federation. Lip service to treasured values is not the same as supporting and endeavoring to make those values a reality. I charge the Gallente Federation with practicing such lip service while they behave like tin-pot dictators.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Able Citizen My brother, I encourage you to support the ideals of "democracy and freedom" by severing any nationalist loyalty to the Federation. Lip service to treasured values is not the same as supporting and endeavoring to make those values a reality. I charge the Gallente Federation with practicing such lip service while they behave like tin-pot dictators. While I support Star Fraction's current actions against Amarrian interests, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I see the Federation and her allies in a positive light, and you don't - and that's fine. I choose to be part of the Federation, and you do not. That's also fine. But I'm not going to take up your philosophies. I hope you'll recognise my right, as a human in charge of my own destiny, to lay my loyalties with the Federation. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.14 22:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Able Citizen My brother, I encourage you to support the ideals of "democracy and freedom" by severing any nationalist loyalty to the Federation. Lip service to treasured values is not the same as supporting and endeavoring to make those values a reality. I charge the Gallente Federation with practicing such lip service while they behave like tin-pot dictators. While I support Star Fraction's current actions against Amarrian interests, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I see the Federation and her allies in a positive light, and you don't - and that's fine. I choose to be part of the Federation, and you do not. That's also fine. But I'm not going to take up your philosophies. I hope you'll recognise my right, as a human in charge of my own destiny, to lay my loyalties with the Federation. Rights are illusions and propaganda lies thrown out by lobbyists interested in appealing to base wants of people. Everyone wants to feel what they do is guaranteed and "right." Make no illusion, nothing is guaranteed , and the guaranteed the Federation would give you are very hollow as the poor fall through the *****s of the marble floors of the elite. I suppose it will be when you find out how it fails you only then you might question it. So as you were half right you are in charge of your own destiny, just that believing in a right takes some of that away. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.15 00:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Kovid Rights are illusions and propaganda lies thrown out by lobbyists interested in appealing to base wants of people. Everyone wants to feel what they do is guaranteed and "right." How...Amarrian of you Kovid. However it's interesting because The Cosmopolite stated something quite different before. While apparently he (and Ixireus) believes in the moral right of free will and the moral right to exercise that free will, you do not. Or intentionally misunderstood it in order to pursue some agenda. Which is odd because free will and the right to exercise that free will is fairly central to the anarchist philosophy. Quite interesting. Anti-authoritarianism without a belief in the moral right to free will. Quite interesting indeed. Not from a philosophical standpoint thou, but more from a political viewpoint. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 00:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris While I support Star Fraction's current actions against Amarrian interests, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I see the Federation and her allies in a positive light, and you don't - and that's fine. I choose to be part of the Federation, and you do not. That's also fine. But I'm not going to take up your philosophies. I hope you'll recognise my right, as a human in charge of my own destiny, to lay my loyalties with the Federation. This is a very honest question, Mr. Ixiris, but quite direct so bear with me: Do you have hostile intent towards the Amarr Empire or the paramilitaries who serve it? I'm more than happy to exchange hot words with you in this Summit, but I'd rather not fire on vessels that are not openly hostile. Thanks in advance for any clarification you can offer, and good luck in your new venture.
dutrev vilenia	Posted - 2007.08.15 00:19:00 - [12] i am glad to see that your corp is taking democracy seriously andreus, i fear that many capsuleers are become vengeful and firing first and asking questions later, i hope you have luck behind you when finding new pod pilots.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.15 00:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Garreck Do you have hostile intent towards the Amarr Empire or the paramilitaries who serve it? I'm more than happy to exchange hot words with you in this Summit, but I'd rather not fire on vessels that are not openly hostile. Thanks in advance for any clarification you can offer, and good luck in your new venture. That depends, as always, on your actions - as long as Amarr and her paramilitaries continues to actively threaten Gallente and Minmatar interests with this "Reclaiming" nonsense, and continues to keep members of our respective races in custody, I cannot provide a steadfast guarantee that I or my corpmates will refrain from hostile activity against Amarr or her paramilitaries. Basically, if you, Garreck, denounce slavery and the subjugation of other cultures and sovreignties, then there shall be no quarrel between us. If your corporation or alliance does so, then I shall have no quarrel with it. I hold absolutely no illusions that I have, at the moment - or will, perhaps, ever have - enough resources or manpower to go toe-to-toe with you, but I am willing to provide support to those with more strength than myself. So in a roundabout way, there will be no conflict unless there is a conflict of interest - and thank you for your good wishes, sir. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.15 03:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Kovid Rights are illusions and propaganda lies thrown out by lobbyists interested in appealing to base wants of people. Everyone wants to feel what they do is guaranteed and "right." How...Amarrian of you Kovid. However it's interesting because The Cosmopolite stated something quite different before. While apparently he (and Ixireus) believes in the moral right of free will and the moral right to exercise that free will, you do not. Or intentionally misunderstood it in order to pursue some agenda. Which is odd because free will and the right to exercise that free will is fairly central to the anarchist philosophy. Quite interesting. Anti-authoritarianism without a belief in the moral right to free will. Quite interesting indeed. Not from a philosophical standpoint thou, but more from a political viewpoint. No your spinning is more true to Amarrian. I don't care what you say Cosmo has said, and without bringing it up your argument is a complete failure. Even if you did, you would snip it and spin it out of context. If I didn't have free will I would be obliged to agree with Cosmo as he speaks for the Star Fraction? And even though I am calling your agreement a misrepresentation and without sources or merit, I can disagree with Cosmo. I also disagree with you. I don't expect you to understand free will as you clearly don't practice it it Nomakai even if you believe you do. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Melichor Duraldi Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2007.08.15 06:30:00 - [15] It is good to see the formation of a Federation paramilitary force, I wish you good luck in your en devours and if you find yourself near Thelan, feel free to stop by.
PiF Gallente TAKAGI Corp	Posted - 2007.08.15 09:58:00 - [16] TAKAGI Corp is looking forward to strenghten ties and work with Mixed Metaphor. Federation's ideals defense is a never-ending task. PiF, Director of the Nexus division Takagi Corp
Vashtina O'toth Gallente Political Warfare Executive	Posted - 2007.08.15 10:14:00 - [17] Andreus, Although I spend my time a long way from home, it is reassuring to hear that there are people willing to fight for the Federation. I salute you and wish you well in the venture Vash "All the security in the world can't stop a lone gunman dedicated to exchange his life for the target."
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.15 12:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Kovid Rights are illusions and propaganda lies thrown out by lobbyists interested in appealing to base wants of people. Everyone wants to feel what they do is guaranteed and "right." How...Amarrian of you Kovid. However it's interesting because The Cosmopolite stated something quite different before. While apparently he (and Ixireus) believes in the moral right of free will and the moral right to exercise that free will, you do not. Or intentionally misunderstood it in order to pursue some agenda. Which is odd because free will and the right to exercise that free will is fairly central to the anarchist philosophy. Quite interesting. Anti-authoritarianism without a belief in the moral right to free will. Quite interesting indeed. Not from a philosophical standpoint thou, but more from a political viewpoint. I don't know what you think I have stated in the past but I note that you choose not to quote me but rather to assert that I have said something to suit your purpose. As Kovid has stated, the political and philosophical views of individual members of the Star Fraction can diverge quite widely even while we co-operate in pursuit of our shared interests. So far as the all-too-often confused issue of 'rights' is concerned the Star Fraction position is quite simple: the individual is sovereign. One can call this sovereignty, or self-ownership, a 'moral right' but if it is thought of as such then it is a right which imposes an obligation only on the individual seeking to exercise it and not on some other to whom the individual might appeal for its guarantee. This obligation is, of course, that of asserting one's individual sovereignty at all times, always being clear that agreements which may limit one's actions are entered into freely and in one's own self-interest. Ultimately, to behave otherwise is madness. Rather than a 'right', however, I would say that the sovereignty of the individual is the one essential liberty and as a liberty, rather than a right which relies on the obligations of others, it is for the individual to uphold it for themselves. I do not expect others to necessarily respect my liberties. Indeed, I find that many seek to oppose them. Given such opposition to the liberties I claim as my own, how should I act? Should I call on others to enforce my 'rights'? Or rather should I assert my liberties and act for myself? Opponents of the Star Fraction often bray and stamp their feet, many a time with barely coherent rhetorical ululations, to the effect that we should 'respect their right' to speak. Why should we? What obligation do we have to listen to the ravings of the tyrants and the simpering piffle of the state-worshippers? How should we uphold the rights of our opponents to beat their chests and issue forth their mantras of imperialism and oppression? I simply do not see that we should in any way whatever. If people wish to speak, they should simply speak. Similarly, if people wish to act, they should act. Andreus Ixiris wishes to act and speak in favour of the Gallente Federation and asserts his 'right' to do so. If he is able to uphold this right for himself, as he shows every sign of being able to do, then that is sufficient. In no way is anyone else obliged to genuflect before his choices. I would, in closing, express the hope that capsuleers supporting the Gallente Federation will see through the corrupt and authoritarian paternalism that characterises that polity and, if they wish to remain associated with it, at least agitate for change that would lead to true freedom for those living within its purview. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.15 12:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 15/08/2007 12:46:53 Well, lets not pollute Andreus Ixiris thread any more then, I'll pursue this argument elsewhere Cosmopolite, because I'll expect you to clarify how your vaunted SF ideals differ from Might Makes Right in any practical way. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Ophichius Es and Whizz	Posted - 2007.08.15 13:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Anton Teg garlic smelling, freedom frog! Is that an insult or a side dish? No matter, I'll take two orders of it please. Mr. Ixiris, the best of luck to you. Should luck need a helping hand, we can provide. -O

Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.15 14:09:00 - [21] To all the people, regardless of opposing viewpoints, who have wished me well in this venture, I thank you. To Star Fraction: I respect your right to hold differing opinions, but I'm not interested in your rhetoric. Perhaps if the Federation completely fails me (an unlikely event, in my eyes), I'll come looking for you with appologies and platitudes of how correct you were. Until then, you do your thing, and I'll do mine. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 17:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Pezzle on 15/08/2007 17:04:47 my how your tone has mellowed since you are out on your own. You would be wise not to heed Anarchist rhetoric, unless of course you wish to see a return to the dark times.
Fraction Nurse	Posted - 2007.08.15 17:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Fraction Nurse on 15/08/2007 17:15:02 ((please delete))
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.15 17:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Perhaps if the Federation completely fails me (an unlikely event, in my eyes)... If only the people of Reschard had not waited until the Federation failed them...and the Intaki...and many of us formerly loyal and now disillusioned capsuleers... I would not presume to foist my ideals upon you, my brother. I only encourage you to be wary of the Federation...
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.15 17:19:00 - [25] I'm not sure it -has- mellowed significantly, Mr. Pezzle. He's just not in full rhetorical swing. Mr. Ixiris, so long as you stand for the defense of the Gallente Federation and the furtherance of its interests, I wish you well and wish you luck. Should you and yours take up the Gallentean hobby of meddling in others' affairs, however, I hope they set you on fire. Best regards, Aria Jenneth Hakase 016 Omerta Syndicate
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 17:59:00 - [26] Lighting him on fire may indeed be inevitable Ms Jenneth. For now I am content to wait. We will have to see if his new venture can muster to match his statements.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Able Citizen I would not presume to foist my ideals upon you, my brother. Oh, but you would. With respect, your whole alliance is about foisting your idea of a perfect society on other people. Despite your victories against the Amarr, I still liken you to them - you try to force your way of life on other people who do not wish it. I have absolutely no problem with you living life the way you want, but one day Star Fraction is going to have to accept that, despite their failings, some people are happy with their governments. Even if you bring down the current governmental structures, which would undoubtedly cause untold death and suffering, new ones would form - sure, you could stop them for a while, but I hope you aren't of the illusion that you could do it forever. By all means, start your own transhuman society. Just leave my human society alone. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.17 02:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Aria Jenneth I'm not sure it -has- mellowed significantly, Mr. Pezzle. He's just not in full rhetorical swing. Mr. Ixiris, so long as you stand for the defense of the Gallente Federation and the furtherance of its interests, I wish you well and wish you luck. Should you and yours take up the Gallentean hobby of meddling in others' affairs, however, I hope they set you on fire. Best regards, Aria Jenneth Hakase 016 Omerta Syndicate Oh, and what can we call to the amarrian reclaiming?Or to the caldari interest regarding some minmatar regions??? _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Dionisius Oh, and what can we call to the amarrian reclaiming?Or to the caldari interest regarding some minmatar regions??? The Amarrian reclaiming is the Amarrian counterpart to Gallentean cultural arrogance, and you'll not hear me defending it. As I've stated often elsewhere, the alliance between the Caldari and Amarr is one of convenience, and if the Reclaiming, especially in its old incarnation of conversion by conquest, turns towards the Caldari, the Amarr will learn the same lesson that the Gallente had to be taught over nearly a century: the Caldari are to be -left alone,- thank you very much. In the meantime, the people who have the honor of, metaphorically, setting the Amarr alight are the Matari. The Caldari have their own concerns, largely called the Gallente Federation. As for Caldari interests in parts of Matari space, quite frankly the Matari have more in common with the Caldari than they do with either the Amarr or the Gallente. It's quite natural that State corporations would seek to establish a relationship-- not to change the Matari, but to work with them. The State is active in terms of foreign policy, pilot, sometimes moreso than I think it really ought to be, but then, it is an economic power and puts a great deal of stock by trade. If your Federation would content itself with selling its neighbors holodisks and long-limb roe, there'd hardly be reason for contention between the Federation and State. In case the above distinction isn't clear enough, let me spell it out: the Gallente have a habit of trying to change people "for their own good" by bringing them more in line with Gallentean ideals. In this, they're every bit as self-righteous as the Amarr. The Caldari are, for the most part, content to deal with others as they are, not as they "should" be. The State's not interested in establishing a clone of itself in the Matari Republic. Courtesy of our rather long first-hand experience as a nation with just how stubborn the Federation can be in trying to dictate other peoples' collective destinies, Caldari tend to be touchy about being meddled with. Thus, so long as Mr. Ixiris confines his activites to looking after the Federation's interests, I do in fact wish him well. If he sticks his nose into such issues as, for instance, the Brothers of Freedom, which is strictly an internal State matter, he will deserve to get it shot off.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.17 18:19:00 - [30] The Brothers of Freedom are simply proof that Caldari society doesn't work. I hope, in fact, that they do get completely subjugated - it will simply prove how intolerant the State is of either external OR internal ideals. But I'm content to let the State run itself - you won't see me lending a helping hand, however, if they suddenly find they need humanitarian aid. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.

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