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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:20:00 -
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On the railgun topic:
A sniper rifle is not a straight-line weapon. Bullet drop results in long shots being a shallow parabola. A railgun fires at such a disgusting velocity that on Terra, you're essentially firing a straight-line weapon. Where you point = what you hit, within a few centimeters. also due to said disgusting projectile velocity, railguns require little to no lead on moving targets. A Barrett M82A1 .50 cal has a muzzle velocity of 853 m/s. The railguns the Navy is ****ing around with have a muzzle velocity of around 3500 m/s. Also, I don't care if you're firing DU rounds from the Barrett, they're just going to splash against the armor plating of a main battle tank. A railgun firing DU could very well have the kinetic energy to penetrate.
On the dire predictions of the future topic:
I'm going to be brief so as to avoid politics. If 2012 isn't the dire end-of-the-world that some make it out to be, I predict that the next twenty years are going to be a period of great social upheaval in the Western world. You're going to see unrest in the US (and possibly Europe) that'll make the 60's look like a f'n tea party. Race riots, class riots, mass death. The haves getting richer, the have nots getting poorer, the middle class disappearing, and the have nots murdering the haves to get their stuff. A totalitarian-esque state, or a return to purer Constitutionalism, or anarchy, or some combination thereof. There's a simmering anger at all strata of society, and at a level not seen in generations.
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Multras
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 06:10:00 -
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Could very well penetrate it? I think any decent calibre would make it so the armor plate doesnt exist anymore .
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 18/08/2007 11:08:18
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Priest Valour America is going to crash and burn, I say this with no malice as I have lots of family in America, but the small hardcore of greedy intelligent people that run America/West have over stretch themselves in to many areas. The American economy is like an Easter Egg, it looks very nice, tastey and pretty but if you are able to take a big bite of it you will see it is hollow.
Though I agree that America is on the decline in several respects, I don't think we're near economic colapse. Unfortunately our education system continues to decline at both elementary/high school levels and at the college level, and this will eventually result in our decline as an economic and military superpower, combined with a few other problems we have that will only be getting worse. America, when it goes down, will go out with a wimper, not a bang. The question is when (hopefully not in my lifetime).
Sorry to say guys but America is on the very tip of the great slide to recession, and whats funny is that China has been pumping billions and billions of dollars into the free market to stop your stock's completely crashing so in a way the folk some of you yankies hate a lot are trying to help you,even if it is to their own beifit. Oh and one of America's biggest morgage companies is asking a chinese bank to buy them if i read correctly. And no i dont hate america. Anyway on topic - its about time our navy got its respect back, once we used to have the largest navy, now its a joke!.
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Gone'Postal Nice.
I think they fracked up a little.
In the next 10 years, as many as eight T45s could be built, mainly to defend the two large aircraft carriers that were ordered last month.
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Ordered: 2000
Either they need a smeg load of new shipyards.. or there going to be out of date before they get 20 off the production line.
Means they were ordered in year 2000
Who built it? The same Australian firm who build Wembly Stadium?
"It'll be ready in 2004 and cost ú400 million, honest guv" __________________________________
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Jago Kain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.18 18:59:00 -
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I see...
Not only is it able to track really small targets at the same time as dishing out the lumps to BS, the targetting boost (more than 1000 targets) is hugely unfair when compared to other ships in it's size class.
The small sig will make it difficult to hit with anything but the smallest guns.
Aside from the basic stats, I fail to see how it can mount all those mods with less than 12 mid slots and 9 lows. Have they even bothered to consider play-balance?
The provision of e-mail facilities and i-pod points will mean that it can spam the forums at the same time as spamming cruise missiles and there will be even more badly put together gank videos with mind-numbing death metal soundtracks littering the forums.
This thing needs a major nerfing and quick before it unbalances the game completely.
Thank you CCP for ruining my gaming experience with [INSERT RANDOM WHINGE HERE]... I will be terminating my EVE online account the very minute that BoB takes delivery of the first one.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:34:00 -
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Quote: Sorry to say guys but America is on the very tip of the great slide to recession
We've heard this many times in the past.
Our economy in a full blown recession is still stronger than most.
It will take decades for the USA to decline. It's not going to happen over night.
And it's our own fault for so many years letting China get away with the trade crap they pull... We should have been tougher on Chinese imports, now it's too late, they own all our banks, using money the American people gave to them for buying their **** products for so may years...
And our big corporations going global, pretty much just means going to where they can hire slaves & not workers, is also going to add to our demise. Along with the left wing liberal school system that doesn't want learning to be hard, it should only be fun, which equates to a useless education.
Yes, we are falling. But it will take a while...
I give it at least 20 years before we are no longer a superpower...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.18 21:03:00 -
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Thats capitalism for ya. Chinese firms managed to out-perform American firms through exploiting cheap labour, and ended up on top.
Time to switch to communism? --------
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Gyfrex
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.18 23:21:00 -
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The Type 45s look really nice spec-wise (I can't say I'm a great fan of the rather phallic looking radar tower poking out the top of it though) as do the new carriers (go RN tbh ).
Anyway just gunna give my two cents on the whole Railgun topic. In regards to comparing it to an explosive based projectile weapon such as a .50 caliber such as the Barret M82a1 or M109, I think you're comparing the wrong things. The Railgun as stated before in this thread is in all probability going to only be mounted onto large scale platforms such as stationary silo-type bases or onto warships, a .50cal anti-material rifle is a hand-held weapon, which firstly is a very specific style of weapon, and secondly, in theory if you pumped enough power through the Railgun to boost its exit velocity (being VERY hypothetical here) you could probably cause the same amount of damage as a nuclear missile (once again I state the how hypothetical I'm being) and so its almost impossible to compare the two types of weapon. It would be better to compare the Railgun to something more large scale such as a cruise missile when looking at potential effectiveness, at least for the moment. In regards to a hand-held Railgun...keep dreaming, at least for now ^^.
Onto the whole ordeal of recoil, when using a Railgun. As someone previously stated according to newtons law, there should be at least some form of recoil, however I think in this situation it would be good to consider how the railgun actually works. The way recoil works on an explosion-based projectile weapon is that the gas rapidly expanding from the gunpowder after exiting the the weapon forces the weapon backwards, and has very little to do with the actual force, newtons law comes in when the round hits . As such the Railgun, not using any explosives to propel the projectile, would only have minuscule amounts of recoil, and as with the explosive based projectile weapons, newtons law only really comes into effect when the round hits something. If it affected it according to newtons law, the round wouldn't go anywhere on either your standard Assault Rifle, or your super high tech Railgun .
....I think I'm right, no flaming if I'm wrong please I'm just a little weapons nerd . Oh and sorry for the rant
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Liisa
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Priest Valour *snip* Germany is continuing to rearm itself substantially and is already a major economic force in Europe/The world.(now given there record in the past .....). This coupled with the fact that the european elite are trying to make a super state with america (The idea disgusts me no end) and a european super army, which in turn equaqtes to a european super/hyper power .....this is very very interesting.
*snip*
/me blinks
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Jago Kain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.19 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Liisa
Originally by: Priest Valour *snip* Germany is continuing to rearm itself substantially and is already a major economic force in Europe/The world.(now given there record in the past .....). This coupled with the fact that the european elite are trying to make a super state with america (The idea disgusts me no end) and a european super army, which in turn equaqtes to a european super/hyper power .....this is very very interesting.
*snip*
/me blinks
Germany is rearming itself?
It would appear so.
Quick! Visit Germany before Germany visits you!
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Mercurye
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.19 18:55:00 -
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All this stuff about "We have a nice ship, costed us some billions, it will aid our defenses!" are people where you can almost see the testosterone coming out of their eyes
Warships and wars should stay in games...
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Kalor Bayloch
Anqara Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:53:00 -
[102]
Next-gen US destroyer
Quote: Warships and wars should stay in games...
The problem with "swords to plowshares" is that the people that do it become slaves to the people that didn't (not said by me, don't remember where I picked it up)
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Sereifex Daku
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 19/08/2007 20:32:10 Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 19/08/2007 20:28:22
Originally by: Mercurye
Warships and wars should stay in games...
"Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes prompted it, but only war and weapons have made it yours." -- Robert Ardrey
Nothing personal, but if we all became idealistic hippies it would allow all the dictators in the world to deprive us of everything we have worked so hard to build. Our violent nature certainly saved us from the leader of the Third Reich, as well as Napoleon and many many others.
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Glassback
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:34:00 -
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Officers claim that if it was stationed in the River Thames, its weapon system would be able to single-handedly destroy any incoming airborne attack on Greater London.
G.
If Eve was just a game, it would have a pause button.
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Mercurye
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:48:00 -
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Yes, maybe Im indeed idealistic
The world would be better without ..........
Anyway, nice ship, too bad its "needed" --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~ |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mercurye
All this stuff about "We have a nice ship, costed us some billions, it will aid our defenses!" are people where you can almost see the testosterone coming out of their eyes
Warships and wars should stay in games...
If everyone thought that way, it would be true. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen...it's human nature. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:21:00 -
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ill take 3
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 19/08/2007 21:53:47
Originally by: Gyfrex
Anyway just gunna give my two cents on the whole Railgun topic. In regards to comparing it to an explosive based projectile weapon such as a .50 caliber such as the Barret M82a1 or M109, I think you're comparing the wrong things. The Railgun as stated before in this thread is in all probability going to only be mounted onto large scale platforms such as stationary silo-type bases or onto warships, a .50cal anti-material rifle is a hand-held weapon, which firstly is a very specific style of weapon, and secondly, in theory if you pumped enough power through the Railgun to boost its exit velocity (being VERY hypothetical here) you could probably cause the same amount of damage as a nuclear missile (once again I state the how hypothetical I'm being) and so its almost impossible to compare the two types of weapon. It would be better to compare the Railgun to something more large scale such as a cruise missile when looking at potential effectiveness, at least for the moment. In regards to a hand-held Railgun...keep dreaming, at least for now ^^.
Onto the whole ordeal of recoil, when using a Railgun. As someone previously stated according to newtons law, there should be at least some form of recoil, however I think in this situation it would be good to consider how the railgun actually works. The way recoil works on an explosion-based projectile weapon is that the gas rapidly expanding from the gunpowder after exiting the the weapon forces the weapon backwards, and has very little to do with the actual force, newtons law comes in when the round hits . As such the Railgun, not using any explosives to propel the projectile, would only have minuscule amounts of recoil, and as with the explosive based projectile weapons, newtons law only really comes into effect when the round hits something. If it affected it according to newtons law, the round wouldn't go anywhere on either your standard Assault Rifle, or your super high tech Railgun .
....I think I'm right, no flaming if I'm wrong please I'm just a little weapons nerd . Oh and sorry for the rant
You are wrong and right... sort of
You are much heavier than a baseball. Stand on a skateboard which is on a very smooth, level surface and throw a baseball along the line of the skateboard. (use a flat base and some ball-bearings to eliminate directional effects) No exhaust gases are involved, but you will still move away from the point where you threw the ball. Newton is not mocked!
Exhaust gases may add to the recoil in as much as they have mass and are also ejected from a chemically powered weapon (making it in to a sort of rocket) but their main job is to push the projectile (and thus also the gun).
Railgun <-- X newtons --> projectile
Cannon <-- X newtons --> projectile <-- Y Newtons --> exhaust gases
Skaterboi <-- X newtons --> baseball
The physics are essentially the same. I don't know the ratios of X and Y in "real world" equipment.
Recoil is also much increased if the projectile is relatively large and the gun is relatively small. Loosely speaking, the gun and the projectile will both have the same momentum. So if we use a 100Kg perfectly efficient gun to fire a 1Kg projectile at 1,000m/s, recoil will give the gun sufficient impetus to recoil at 10m/s*. If the projectile only masses 0.1Kg but is accelerated to 10,000m/s the recoil is the same, even though the projectile has 10x the kinetic energy of the larger. On a historical note, those ships of the line with black powder cannons firing a 32-pound ball at not even a couple of hundred metres a second required huge amounts of reinforcement for the kinetic energy they delivered.
*It is easy to see that the dude on the skateboard will have to throw the baseball very hard indeed to get much speed up. However if he were to throw, say, a large watermelon weighing 5Kg he could easily get a very noticeable impetus.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/08/2007 02:54:38
Originally by: Patch86 Thats capitalism for ya. Chinese firms managed to out-perform American firms through exploiting cheap labour, and ended up on top.
Time to switch to communism?
Hardly, we just need to even out the trade imbalance with China.
Only allow China to export to us what they import from us in dollar value. That would pretty much **** their economy over. Only reason they have an economy is becauise of US Wal-Mart shoppers...
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Tyleritus
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Posted - 2007.08.20 03:14:00 -
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The D Class Typer 45's are to replace the old Type 42 Destroyers, there main purpose is Anti Air allthough all ships poses 4.5inch Howitzer for NGS and all ships have anti-sub role.
It has a new Radar System that works 3D this was originally a British invention but sold to the yanks and only recently aquired back.
Names are Daring, followed by Diamond and Dragon others to follow all begin with the Letter D but i forget there names.
The New carriers are super carriers teh same size as USS Enterprise and will have the new JSF Aircract and be able to launch modified Eurofighters as well as Helos' eg Apache.
Names Are HMS Queen Elizebeth II and HMS Prince Of Wales
Astute Class subs will carry Tomahawk Tigerfish and Swordfish, also will be able to lauch Special Frces in mini Subs for covert insertion and use the latest Sonar (which unfortunatly kills Dolphins by frying there brains).
I know all this as i left the Royal Navy in 2005 but all of this can be found wither at Janesnavy.com or from the RN's own paper The Navy News (or as sailors call it the dockyard Dandy).
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.20 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tyleritus The New carriers are super carriers teh same size as USS Enterprise and will have the new JSF Aircract and be able to launch modified Eurofighters as well as Helos' eg Apache.
Names Are HMS Queen Elizebeth II and HMS Prince Of Wales
That's awesome. QE2 as a supercarrier... Having a ship named after Prince Chuck (I know, it's named after the title, not the man) is somewhat entertaining as well.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/08/2007 02:54:38
Originally by: Patch86 Thats capitalism for ya. Chinese firms managed to out-perform American firms through exploiting cheap labour, and ended up on top.
Time to switch to communism?
Hardly, we just need to even out the trade imbalance with China.
Only allow China to export to us what they import from us in dollar value. That would pretty much **** their economy over. Only reason they have an economy is becauise of US Wal-Mart shoppers...
You do know that wal-mart is world wide dont ya.
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Bellicose
Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:37:00 -
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Quote: Crew comforts: First warship to include email facilities and iPod charging points.
i bet all those sailors love to get spam mail in the middle of the atlantic ocean, esp. those pee-pee enlargement spams Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Who needs a showel when you have a nice big cannon? |
Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bellicose
Quote: Crew comforts: First warship to include email facilities and iPod charging points.
i bet all those sailors love to get spam mail in the middle of the atlantic ocean, esp. those pee-pee enlargement spams
I don't see how that is true. My coworkers daughter is on the Truman and she emails AND calls her mother (my coworker) all the time. Unless they're just talking about UK ships having this royalty for the first time.
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Epoch
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Posted - 2007.08.20 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Epoch on 20/08/2007 05:16:35
Originally by: Captain Hudson
Sorry to say guys but America is on the very tip of the great slide to recession, and whats funny is that China has been pumping billions and billions of dollars into the free market to stop your stock's completely crashing so in a way the folk some of you yankies hate a lot are trying to help you,even if it is to their own beifit. Oh and one of America's biggest morgage companies is asking a chinese bank to buy them if i read correctly. And no i dont hate america.
I'm a financial analyst in the mortgage industry. What are your creditials? I'm guessing a student who listens too closely to their professors anti-american rhetoric.
Our mortgage industry is a fraction of our investments market. If you bothered to look at the dow over the past 6 months, you'll see its barely dropped. The us, canadian and euro markets were UP as of friday. The asian markets were all DOWN.
China has been pumping billions into the free market to save our market? What in the **** are you talking about? The fed pumped ~120b into the banking market and cut the discount rate 0.50%.
Have you been reading the news? The US as well as several European countries are in the process of placing higher restrictions on chinese imports. lead on our kids toys? read a paper ffs!
Americas largest mortgage company asked a chinese bank to buy them?! you dont even know the name of the company! its Countrywide, the largest mortgage lender in the country (~18%) and they didnt ask a chinese bank to buy them. infact, their stock was up 18% as of friday.
are investors getting screwed because a small percentage of gordon gecko wannabes repackaged sub-prime loans as sound investments and sold them overseas and at home? yes
is the us about to fall into a deep, dark, scary recession? no.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.08.20 07:45:00 -
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Quote: The system is so powerful it can monitor all take-offs and landings from every major European airport within 200 miles of Portsmouth.
I love that quote from the Telegraph, how many major European airports are within 200 miles of Portsmouth? Poor grammer FTW
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
Quote: The system is so powerful it can monitor all take-offs and landings from every major European airport within 200 miles of Portsmouth.
I love that quote from the Telegraph, how many major European airports are within 200 miles of Portsmouth? Poor grammer FTW
Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted are definitely all within 200 miles of Portsmouth.
Charles de Gaulle and Birmingham may be as well.
On top of that, City, Southampton and Bournemouth probably also count as major airports.
That's a lot of air traffic.
Anyway, the impressive thing is that it can track aircraft within 200 miles of Pompey while it's sat off the coast of Thailand
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.20 10:06:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 20/08/2007 02:54:38
Originally by: Patch86 Thats capitalism for ya. Chinese firms managed to out-perform American firms through exploiting cheap labour, and ended up on top.
Time to switch to communism?
Hardly, we just need to even out the trade imbalance with China.
Only allow China to export to us what they import from us in dollar value. That would pretty much **** their economy over. Only reason they have an economy is becauise of US Wal-Mart shoppers...
You do know that wal-mart is world wide dont ya.
They are now, yes...
But I'm guessing the market share Wal-Mart holds in the US compared to the rest of the planet is still skewed in favor of white trash America...
In any event, Wal-Mart is peddling Chinese crap all over the world (Thanks to Americans who made Wal-Mart what it is today), so we're all now feeding Communist China's agenda...
Even the EU is falling prey to China, attaining a multi-billion dollar trade deficit with them...
To bad you don't have much of a choice. Everything you pick up these days has that little gold oval shaped Made In China sticker on it...
We should not be feeding our enemies economy in such a manner, but the lowest price wins, right?
What I see today is that so many families buy so much junk from China, and it ends up in our landfills within a few years... We may as well just garnish our wages and send it to the Chinese government, it would be easier, and better for our environment.
I certainly don't remember having as many crappy toys like kids have today. Disposable toys, they get busted & thrown out in a month time. Not just toys either. I've made the mistake of buying hand tools made in China, no wonder why they are 1/10th the price of real tools. Complete trash...
Harbor Freight, Northern tool, Sears, you name it. All selling Chinese rubbish...
I guess we won't learn until our country is in the gutter, then we'll wonder what went wrong...
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Xtreem
Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 10:21:00 -
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if i had a billion, id buy one :)
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.20 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem if i had a billion, id buy one :)
And do what with it? Fishing? lol...
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