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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 06:30:00 -
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*pokes his cormorant*
*sighs*
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galphi
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Posted - 2007.08.17 06:33:00 -
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Something to remember, however, is that the destroyers currently in the game are crap because they're tier 1. Tier 1 frigates and cruisers are also crap I mean you don't see a lot of imicus' or exequer's flying around.
So what we need is a 2nd tier destroyer! Extra low or mid slot, more drone space on gallente, more missile bays on caldari etc.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.08.17 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
TBH, I know how to fly a Destroyer. I've solo'd assault frigs, and been teh ubar droneZ0r killar in more than 20 fights (in a destroyer).
My last two kills IN A DESTROYER were a Vexor and Cerberus. So tell me... when was the last time you got a kill in a destroyer?
Edit: I did discount pods from my "last two kills".
Liang
You know how that looks to someone who never used a dessie in pvp? It looks like they need a serious buff, you should atleast be able to reliably solo BCs and HACs .
Btw these kind of statements are not, i repeat not the right way to ask for buffs, you got it all mixed up with the right way to ask for nerfs .
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jefferton lifesupport
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:01:00 -
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Galphi, they have t2 destroyers, they are called interdictors. They are faster and hit harder, but are strangely slightly weaker. If they could get some more HP that might be cool.
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galphi
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:08:00 -
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I didn't say tech 2, I meant *tier 2*, i.e. a tech 1 destroyer that requires destroyers at level 2 to fly. like how a Raven is a tier 2 battleship, geddit? .
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 17/08/2007 07:13:23
Originally by: Bentula
You know how that looks to someone who never used a dessie in pvp? It looks like they need a serious buff, you should atleast be able to reliably solo BCs and HACs .
Btw these kind of statements are not, i repeat not the right way to ask for buffs, you got it all mixed up with the right way to ask for nerfs .
Well, they weren't solo. But they were kills. I have flown a Destroyer in PVP, and am very familiar with its strengths and weaknesses.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:21:00 -
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Hi lofty
You are actually right - destroyers need some more power. IMO they need +50% HP and 20-25% less Signature Radious. Damage is actually fine (it's about equal with the assault frigs).
The Cormorant (Caldari Destroyer) wouldn't need another medslot, but rather a lowslot. giving it same low/med-slot design as the Merlin frigate.
Pinky
- I'm a nice guy!!
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:29:00 -
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The tier1 destroyers seem imho to be fine, maybe a slightly smaller sig but thats about it.
But back to the tier2 again, threads requesting a more heavy duty destroyer tier2 have been popping up regularly for months, allot of people want them but I think CCP are worried about balance, if a tier2 destroyer can kill all frigates t1 & t2 them for the price tag its too powerful. Or thats what I believe CCP is worried about, still thats not much of an excuse, there would be no reason ccp couldn't make them expensive in minerals, cruiser prices perhaps.
I would love to have a tier2 desty with the same bonuses as the tier1 bc's. Gimme tank.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 17/08/2007 07:39:11
Originally by: Plymer Ization I love the look of the Thrasher... I'd love to be able to fly one properly too :)
Of course, this buff should not be extended to Interdictors for many reasons.
noooo buff my dictor
but serious now, one thing Id like to see is a tier 2 Destroyer for each race and "possably" a t2 variant of that an "Assault destroyer" which of course has no dictor bubble.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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galphi
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:50:00 -
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Destroyer balance is a very critical issue, as you mentioned. They're high on damage and lower on defence than most ships. And you can tell CCP are nervous about them because of the rate of fire penalty they put on. Perhaps a 2nd level destroyer would have less high slots and better defence, making them a more well-rounded ship as opposed to a mobile gun platform
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Arte
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.08.17 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: jefferton lifesupport ...As a newb within 2 days I was able to fit 7x 200mm T2 autocannons, T2 MEDIUM shield booster, small cap injector. That plus the afterburner and overdrives means I have a very fast, tough 'enough' super-frigate which can out damage many cruisers and tears interceptors a new one, but this particular setup is for pve....
Fitting T2 autocannons and shield booster within 2 days as a newb???
Me spots a little exaggeration from someone...
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Hannobaal
Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 17/08/2007 06:13:52
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Liang Nuren and give it a tanking bonus.
Liang
Doesn't need it. Frankly, if you're having to tank damage in a destroyer, you're not doing it right to begin with. A destroyer's precious few mid and low slots should be used for far better things than tanking modules.
TBH, I know how to fly a Destroyer. I've solo'd assault frigs, and been teh ubar droneZ0r killar in more than 20 fights (in a destroyer).
My last two kills IN A DESTROYER were a Vexor and Cerberus. So tell me... when was the last time you got a kill in a destroyer?
Edit: I did discount pods from my "last two kills".
Liang
I've been in destroyer fleets that killed battleships and commandships, but neither that nor any of what you wrote is relevant here.
I'll say it again, a destroyer is not meant to tank damage. Any module put on it that serves no other purpose than tanking is a slot wasted. Well, unless you're fighting npc ships that is. ------------------
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal ...stuff...
Hmm, in truth, I agree. But right now that's only true because Destroyers have such weak tanks that its futile.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:15:00 -
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Maybe their sig could be a bit lower, the hitpoint nerf hit them pretty hard, they could one shot the lower end frigs pretty easily before, they're all about alpha strikes, and since those aren't all that effective anymore, they have a hard time.
Thing about the ROF penalty is though, that if you remove that, you've got frigs that have the damage output of 3 normal frigs... with awesome tracking and range, and that's just a spot or 2 too much really.
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Ejderdisi
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:13:00 -
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I have a good idea. Let tier 1 destroyers as they are. But make new tier2 destroyers. Cheaper and worse versions of interdictors of race. Give them some love to put at least a buffer tank for killing interceptors.. And a must :new pretty shiny models.
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Thorek Ironbrow
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:27:00 -
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I'm going to go buy another Cormorant and fit it with tech 2 hyrbird l4z0rz. Good idea?
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:30:00 -
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yes - if you want to waste isk on it... Well I bet you'll have fun, but try compare it to your AF's... Those are much more solid, and might not be much more expensive. All depends on the level of invention I think... - I'm a nice guy!!
MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!! |
Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Denmark yes - if you want to waste isk on it... Well I bet you'll have fun, but try compare it to your AF's... Those are much more solid, and might not be much more expensive. All depends on the level of invention I think...
You know they are still quite fun and do do a job so why knock it, enjoy what you can. AF's are cool but dessies are cool also and cheaper.
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