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Audelia Boozebandit
Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Just wondering what a fairly good example of a Nano-Ish setup would be, I have one in mind but for the sake of sparing me from embarassment i'd like to see what some of you other folk are using.
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:13:00 -
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3 *small* guns, 1 medium remote rep, 1 nos (preferably faction) mwd, scram, injector, 2 LSE 2-3 OD, 2 istab, 0-1 nanos 2 poly rigs
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:37:00 -
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Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
150mm Railgun II / artillery if you have skills 150mm Railgun II 150mm Railgun II Improved Cloaking Device II / whatever else you prefer Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
It's about 50 mil cheaper setup than the one with 2 polycarbons. It's about 100m/s slower (still should do ~3.5km/s) but more agile.
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 17:51:40 Less agile actually. -1% mass and -1% inertia give the same agility boost.
Polys are -15% mass, Nozzle Joints -15% inertia (so rigwise no agility difference between both), istabs -20% inertia and nanos -12.5% mass (so if you use nanos instead istabs you loose agility.
Essentially, 1 poly and 1 istab is 0.85 * 0.8 -> 0.68 or a 47% agility boost (1 / 0.68 -> 1.47) while 1 nozzle and 1 nano2 is 0.85 * 0.875 -> 0.74 or a 34% agility boost.
Without stacking penalities of cource, but rigs & modules share those, so its not like you will get less of them with the mixed setup.
In short: switching from poly & istab to nozzle & nano will make the setup slower *and* less agile, but will save money.
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:52:00 -
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If EFT is not lying: 2 polys = 8.3sec align time 1 poly 1 low friction = 7.8sec align time
Don't forget to take into account stacking penatly with 1 nanofiber.
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 17:57:40
Originally by: Neena Valdi If EFT is not lying: 2 polys = 8.3sec align time 1 poly 1 low friction = 7.8sec align time
Don't forget to take into account stacking penatly with 1 nanofiber.
That is only the rigs. Of cource 2 polys will give a smaller agility bonus than 1 poly 1 friction - the 2nd poly gets the stacking penality.
You have to add the modules.
It's poly reduction * nanofiber reduction (with 1st stacking penality) * istab * friction (with 1st stacking penality).
Which is a smaller reduction than
1st poly reduction * 2nd poly reduction (with 1st stacking penality) * 1st istab reduction * 2nd istab reduction (with 1st stacking penality)
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:07:00 -
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I don't have to add anything. The EFT already did it for me. Altho, the EFT may be wrong... Who knows? ;)
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Neena Valdi on 17/08/2007 18:13:22 Edited by: Neena Valdi on 17/08/2007 18:09:16
Originally by: Aramendel
It's poly reduction * nanofiber reduction (with 1st stacking penality) * istab * friction (with 1st stacking penality).
Which is a smaller reduction than
1st poly reduction * 2nd poly reduction (with 1st stacking penality) * 1st istab reduction * 2nd istab reduction (with 1st stacking penality)
Wait where from did you get 2nd i-stab? Only 1 i-stab in my setup. One more i-stab means one less overdrive.
Two i-stabs, btw, means larger signature which is not good.
The setup with 2 OD, 2 i-stab, 1 nano, 2 polys is a little more agile and a bit slower also the signature is larger and the fitting price is almost 50 mil higher than the 3 OD, 1 i-stab, 1 nano, 1 poly, 1 low friction.
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Audelia Boozebandit
Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
150mm Railgun II / artillery if you have skills 150mm Railgun II 150mm Railgun II Improved Cloaking Device II / whatever else you prefer Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
It's about 50 mil cheaper setup than the one with 2 polycarbons. It's about 100m/s slower (still should do ~3.5km/s) but more agile.
This is a pretty kickass setup now that I look at it, but is there any noticeble negative impact from the increased sig raduis due to the extenders?
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:23:00 -
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Yes there is negative impact from LSE's and i-stab. But the idea is to permarun the mwd.
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 18:28:01
Originally by: Neena Valdi Wait where from did you get 2nd i-stab? Only 1 i-stab in my setup. One more i-stab means one less overdrive.
Two i-stabs, btw, means larger signature which is not good.
The setup with 2 OD, 2 i-stab, 1 nano, 2 polys is a little more agile and a bit slower also the signature is larger and the fitting price is almost 50 mil higher than the 3 OD, 1 i-stab, 1 nano, 1 poly, 1 low friction.
It doesn't.
Most effective setups are 3 ODs and 2 istabs or 2 ODs, 2 istabs and 1 nano if you want a bigger cargohold (= more room for boosters, which is the main reason for that variation) and a bit more agility instead of speed.
If you in your setup replace the friction with a poly and the nano with an istab you will have a higher speed AND a better agility. The higher sig means pretty much nothing for a speedtanked ship. Your nanoishtar will have while MWDing 1369 sig with 1 istab (= bigger than a dread) and 1464 with 2. Do you honestly think that will make any real difference?
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:33:00 -
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If you got the isk...
highs: whatever mids: domi mwd, ts/db disrupt, 2x phased muons, large cap battery II lows: 2x overdrive, 2x inertia, CPR II 2x polycarb rigs
Gotta have the damp support skill trained up and decent cap skills. Everything but the highs should run forever though.
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:40:00 -
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2 phased muons' won't work good enough without the rig for damp effectiveness.
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:43:00 -
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Depends. With the spec at 4 it will reduce any BS without sensorboosters but the scorp & rokh to below 20k.
Would prefer myself LSE2, though, too, since with damps you are only good against a single target.
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 18:28:01
Originally by: Neena Valdi Wait where from did you get 2nd i-stab? Only 1 i-stab in my setup. One more i-stab means one less overdrive.
Two i-stabs, btw, means larger signature which is not good.
The setup with 2 OD, 2 i-stab, 1 nano, 2 polys is a little more agile and a bit slower also the signature is larger and the fitting price is almost 50 mil higher than the 3 OD, 1 i-stab, 1 nano, 1 poly, 1 low friction.
It doesn't.
Most effective setups are 3 ODs and 2 istabs or 2 ODs, 2 istabs and 1 nano if you want a bigger cargohold (= more room for boosters, which is the main reason for that variation) and a bit more agility instead of speed.
If you in your setup replace the friction with a poly and the nano with an istab you will have a higher speed AND a better agility. The higher sig means pretty much nothing for a speedtanked ship. Your nanoishtar will have while MWDing 1369 sig with 1 istab (= bigger than a dread) and 1464 with 2. Do you honestly think that will make any real difference?
Ok, I got it. Thanks for explaining.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi 2 phased muons' won't work good enough without the rig for damp effectiveness.
It's not hard. I used to go with the LSEs, but damps are just too good not to use (even 2 of em).
With support skill at 4 and a faction disrupt you can orbit at 27k, most ships can't do anything. Plus it's not too hard to fly out to 35k or so, then when they lose a lock swing back in closer.
Only thing I don't like about my setup is having to skimp an overdrive for the cpr. It's still fast enough with snakes/hardwires and max nav skills though.
I still prefer the Curse at the moment, but after it gets fusked over I'll be flying my Ishtar a lot more.
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