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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:50:00 -
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Look, people need to just quit whining. So what if a group decided to kill everyone else ?
Anyone who went to this 'event' would have known the risks. They are obvious.
Indeed, the risk element in events such as these is what makes eve so great. We don't want the devs to start telling us what we can and cant kill, or to start enforcing carebear morality. An event like this was bound to attract all sorts of personalities; cargo stealers, pirates, corp. players, noobs etc etc.
It is the diversity, and the moral possibilities in eve that provide the fun.
There is no risk in taking an alt + frigate in to raid the can.
Easiest solution for an event like this:
Drop the solar system sec rating to 0.0.
People will sort things out from there
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:56:00 -
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Yes Jash, your solution would work perfectly.
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Leekar
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:01:00 -
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I must agree with that Jash. This event was just sad because all these noobs
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:19:00 -
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I accompanied a force of ATUK battleships down there in my Incursus.
so u were in a frigate? with mwd i guess?
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The event was ruined by loot whoring idiots, who's sole participation was to fly in as fast as they could in mwd equipped frigates.
so what did u get?
:p
"We brake for nobody"
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:57:00 -
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And Finaly I would like to thank Discorporation for seeing it as it was abit of Fun, Thanks dude.
Noobious
Arcane Technologies.
no problem, it was funny as hell 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:58:00 -
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
There's loot thieves with fast frigates, sure. Doesn't mean every frigate with MWD is a loot thief, when speed is about the only defense frigate has against those heavy guns and cruise missiles.
Consequently, stealing loot is not the only reason people would want to take those to battleship spawns (a fact 2-3 Kestrels has firepower of one Scorpion and about the same lifespan when facing Guristas missile boats, could just be another :s
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:32:00 -
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Credit to the Devs tbh, the 0.3 sec status was perfect for this event. It didn't please everyone because some people are born whiners.
On the one hand honourable people could destroy n00b griefer loot stealers, on the other hand the n00b griefer PK's couldn't kill the innocent frigate's pods due to the sec loss. There was at some point some form of happy gang which abstained from any form of griefing.... They went home with a fraction of the bounties and no loot, but kudos to them anyway.
And so a happy balance was attained. Turns out it was an unhappy balance but that was the fault of human nature, not the Devs.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:47:00 -
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I think you misunderstood, I couldn't give a toss about the loot tbh, I could just buy what I needed from the market.
What does irk me is when the little nubs were stealing the loot and then complained when they got shot at, THATS what irks me...
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.02.05 19:12:00 -
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Hmm, I might drop in for the 'final assault' this weekend. Maybe I'll bring an alt too and go after some of those theives, would be fun to triple web them as they're grabbing loot =P
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.02.05 19:19:00 -
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Sounds like CCP shoulda mixed the spawns with a few cruisers and frigates, just to counter the newbie looting, though this might have contributed to the lag a bit. (This might have been the case, as I wasn't there, but all the screenshots/descriptions only talk about the battleships).
Seems the Gurristas don't believe in fighter screens when they invade, but only when they defend belts? Weird.
Are the spawns ongoing/respawning themselves? Seems like people are still reporting clusters of Gurristas battleships at the ring and at the planets, unless these are merely 'leftovers' from the initial invasion.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.05 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 20:22:45
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
Okay, I take it back. There were some frigates there attacking. But the majority of them were just clustering near the 'drop point'. It just so happens that frigates are the best ships to do this in. My intention was not to hurl abuse at frigates in general.
and as for blowing up a cloak blueprint, we'll never know, but everytime I consider the possibility, I smile. 
Also, the lag wasn't too bad, the longest it took for a module to activate was 2 seconds, and even that was rare.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 21:53:00 -
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We Noobs as u lot call us didnt all go down to knick loot. Myself and 3 corp mates went in close and personal with the badguys, i had first hits on 3 Ravens and got loot from one after circling him at 5km trying to do as much damage as possible.
Then at moon 5 we did just the same. There i lost my frigate after helping destroy what looked like a Moa and moving to another, Lag and friendly fire got me, lag mostly.
It was fun, we did our share, we deserve any loot we got.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/02/2004 22:11:25
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We Noobs as u lot call us didnt all go down to knick loot. Myself and 3 corp mates went in close and personal with the badguys, i had first hits on 3 Ravens and got loot from one after circling him at 5km trying to do as much damage as possible.
Then at moon 5 we did just the same. There i lost my frigate after helping destroy what looked like a Moa and moving to another, Lag and friendly fire got me, lag mostly.
It was fun, we did our share, we deserve any loot we got.
Anyone else want to buy 4 frigates being the primary reason behind taking down not just a Raven but an NPC Raven (one that actually uses their guns, unlike Zor)?
Let's see...were you and your 3 mates jamming the Raven to keep it from locking onto others? Don't think so considering the number of ship losses.
How about webifying them so they couldn't flit about at their optimal ranges on MWD? No...don't think so there either.
Playing decoy for their guns? Doubt it seriously considering what I saw.
What loot exactly do you think you deserved?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:19:00 -
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Actually this is rather amusing, I wasnt at the event and even if I had known of it in advance I would not have gone as anyone can figure out there is going to be alot of griefing at such places.
It is rather amusing however to read all the angry posts from pirates that a bunch of people destroyed the even by trying to steal the loot.
Get with the program ppl, if you can get away with stealing loot its perfectly ok to do so, I have heard you lot state that over and over and over and over and over again.
Well now atleast you have an incling of how it feels to be pounded by you at any time you can anbd for no reason.
I say, go frig loot stealers, why risk a BS when you have a chance to snatch the loot by risking only a frigg.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:22:00 -
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 05/02/2004 22:38:31
besides, it cant have been that much fun in a BS anyway. Even the 1 million isk Pirate Raven died in under 30seconds.
Wheres the fun in that? bit more events like these would be cool, but it was a turkey shoot.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:37:00 -
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 22:48:57
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
Heh, I bet I was closer 
/emote goes looking for a tape measure..
Also, I got a lot of it on video, so you can probably see for yourselves. If I got any decent clips, I'll compile a little video.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:58:00 -
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anyways, its a game, i died, got a fairly decent reward of isk and i think an overdrive, which i prompty lost when i was destroyed.
More importantly i got to test my frigate skills against a bigger guy. Im not gonna say anymore, tempers are obviously getting a lil strained. 
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 22:48:57
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
Heh, I bet I was closer
/emote goes looking for a tape measure..
Also, I got a lot of it on video, so you can probably see for yourselves. If I got any decent clips, I'll compile a little video.
Honestly dm, the only thing I'm upset about is having to leave 4 high slots offline to avoid hitting vultures else I end up with a sec rating worse than yours taking me forever to recover from.
Having one of the vultures appear and say orbitting with 200mm Autocannons earned them some loot just adds to the outrage. It's not like the Raven didn't have webifiers. I know they did because I was webified myself.
A webified frigate anywhere near an NPC battleship will only survive because someone else is the NPC's target
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.05 23:53:00 -
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I almost had the corp head down to this one with hopes of a worthy event.
Glad I didn't now.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Aethon
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Posted - 2004.02.06 00:28:00 -
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 Seems to me it would have been better to have had this event in 0.0sec space, then everyone would be happy.
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2004.02.06 00:47:00 -
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yeah i have to agree with jash illian. Frigate pilots have no part in this game, they shouldnt be involved in the events at all. In fact make everyone fly round in battleships.
Also move the events to 0.0 space, then everyone will be able to participate. AS the pirates will be able to gank everyone and when the battle is over the biggest fleet there will attack everyone else to claim all the loot. But it wont be like all the frigates stealing it, because they will be in battleships instead!!!
Nice one 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:21:00 -
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yeah i have to agree with jash illian. Frigate pilots have no part in this game, they shouldnt be involved in the events at all. In fact make everyone fly round in battleships.
Also move the events to 0.0 space, then everyone will be able to participate. AS the pirates will be able to gank everyone and when the battle is over the biggest fleet there will attack everyone else to claim all the loot. But it wont be like all the frigates stealing it, because they will be in battleships instead!!!
Nice one
And I thank you for the sarcastic acknowledgement. Now let's see what you missed:
1) Pointing out various ways a frigate could have honestly assisted in taking down the battleships.
2) Pointing out how various honest people were in fact hampered by the helpful frigates waiting to poach loot and nothing else.
3) Pointing out how the wonderful security system yet again protects the wrong people.
Now if you think you had something you could contribute to that battlefield in a frigate, I'm all ears on how you intended to pull it off. Given that without the other people being bullseyes, you'd have lasted all the time it would take for the Gurista Ravens to webify you and vaporize you with their choice of missiles or turrets.
Come on, Monica. Tell us your secret plan of overcoming something that dedicated frigate pilots ***** about constantly.
Oh and by the way: at least in 0.0 while you might earn a clone trip back to empire space as the biggest fleets there slug it out over the loot, at least when you undocked you wouldn't have to worry about getting pasted by sentry guns and Concord for your participation that day.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 20:22:45
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
Okay, I take it back. There were some frigates there attacking. But the majority of them were just clustering near the 'drop point'. It just so happens that frigates are the best ships to do this in. My intention was not to hurl abuse at frigates in general.
and as for blowing up a cloak blueprint, we'll never know, but everytime I consider the possibility, I smile.
Also, the lag wasn't too bad, the longest it took for a module to activate was 2 seconds, and even that was rare.
LOL DM my corpmate "Borrowed my Kestrel" and shot a heck of alot of ammo at the pirates before he was podded by the NPC's
Thanks to the god's that he didnt take out one of my caracals..
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:55:00 -
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yah dalman, not all of the 'noobs' were new players alot were just scum in search of cheap loot. Which I suppose is their perrogative, however if it wasnt for the bships there, their woulda been no loot for them to *****.
A stupid state of affairs all around.
stav you offered to buty me a Drink once at the Police styation in FD .. since my home is in Kubinen stop by for a vodka and Quafe
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/02/2004 02:17:20
"You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships."
... average DoT:
* small turret: 8.85 hp/sec
* medium turret: 12.30 hp/sec
* large turret: 16.52 hp/sec
Guns alone, your Typhoon with 800's has firepower equal to 4 Merlins, each of them with just pair of 150mm rails. If you allow the missile launchers to be accounted, your whole damage output is barely bigger than that of 3 Merlins.
You can make a case about advantage of range, damage tanking and anything else really that makes battleship so much better fighting vessel... and i'll give you that without arguing because it's no contest really. But trust me, you don't want to start argument whose guns have enough punch to hurt a battleship, and who can barely scratch. :s
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:19:00 -
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Aha! I got it now. It's the latest system stress and load test covered as an event. Ok, I can live with that
Hey Fausto what is this influx of Rabble in our neighborhood?
LOL
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.02.06 03:30:00 -
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I guess I lucked out, I didn't take any loot destroyed 2 ravens and about 4-5 moas, was to busy fighting and running to repair to bother with loot. It was that last laggy trip back, foolishly thought I could knock out another raven, well at least I still have a cruiser, I'm now on the bottom of the corp list to get another BS.
At least a corp mate picked up my can
Even in destruction it felt good to be fighting for the right side.
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
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Sequin
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Posted - 2004.02.06 06:27:00 -
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I've got a frigate that hits for 200, but I guess that's not good enough for the uber l33t battleships, who are the real gods in eve.
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