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Durente Galaica Amarr Fortunate Few	Posted - 2007.08.21 20:42:00 - [1] Occasionally, my duties bring me into situation where the locals believe I am the precursor to a large invasion force. Now don't get me wrong, I try to explain to them that I stopped fitting the jump portal generator to my shuttle a long time ago. Unfortunately, they often do not believe me. This results in a situation where I am left wandering around in a foreign station for a while. It does not take me long to grow tired of the local chatter, and I often long to find a pub/tavern where I can chat with like-minded individuals to pass the time away. So in summary, I'd be quite thankful if anyone could point me in the direction of such a place.
Robert Kauliford Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.21 20:58:00 - [2] Personally I'd recomend you avoid Amarrian owned stations when seeking out watering holes as you should well know spirits are illegal even when the station is located in a region with more liberal laws. Heres my rule of thumb for drinking establishments. Matari - Good for rabid and deep inebriation though drinks tend to be mainly ales and other triabl beverages Gallente - A more refined drinking experience with a selection of fine spiced wines. Any aggresive behaviour will result in expulsion Caldari - potentially the widest range of beverage if you know where to look. Amarr - Some good places but pamphleteers abound expounding the sins of drink. Unfortunately if a bar/tavern is any good I can't remember where it is. Best of luck in your search though.
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Condottieri Industries	Posted - 2007.08.21 21:14:00 - [3] The hardest part about finding a good watering hole is getting what you want. I must admit, I stocked up on my favorite liqours last time I was in Jita (nice selction there by the way.) If your looking for good company though, The guys in the Federation Navy sure do know how to have a good time! CEO, Condottieri Industries
Durente Galaica Amarr Fortunate Few	Posted - 2007.08.21 21:40:00 - [4] Hmmmm... I'm more interested in: Originally by: Durente Galaica where I can chat with like-minded individuals Something along the lines as an Amarrian open channel of communication. Although I can see how this would be confusing to the alcohol inclined as they tend to forget that some people go to taverns to socialize.
Lilya Tvavarivich Caldari Opus Imperium	Posted - 2007.08.21 22:01:00 - [5] I believe the Drinker's Cathedral would be what you are looking for, Master Galaica. It is an Amarrian-themed (though not altogether Amarrian-exclusive) establishment run by mr. Yo****o Sanders, the executor of the Aegis Militia. You'll be able to find civilized conversation there, as well as food and drink, if you are so inclined. Alcohol is served, but in moderation.
Jonny Damordred Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.21 22:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Jonny Damordred on 21/08/2007 22:07:19 Originally by: Durente Galaica Occasionally, my duties bring me into situation where the locals believe I am the precursor to a large invasion force. Now don't get me wrong, I try to explain to them that I stopped fitting the jump portal generator to my shuttle a long time ago. Unfortunately, they often do not believe me. This results in a situation where I am left wandering around in a foreign station for a while. It does not take me long to grow tired of the local chatter, and I often long to find a pub/tavern where I can chat with like-minded individuals to pass the time away. So in summary, I'd be quite thankful if anyone could point me in the direction of such a place. Well, The three I visit are: La Maison de Tous Les Plaisirs La Maison is an open, albeit well-moderated environment for Fractionists, open-minded capsuleers, and invited guests to take advantage of for social outings as well as chat about the politics and pleasures of the day (respectful blind dates also welcome). The intended atmosphere is vibrant, even edgy, but always respectful one and totally lacking in boorish nonsense. Top secret plans will doubtless be discussed in other channels, so thereÆs no need to infiltrate the establishment for listening purposes. The drinks, however, may be worth treasonous activity. The Skyhook Once known as a dingy hideaway for outlaws and criminals, The Skyhook has been transformed into a much more reputable establishment. Having expanded the clientele beyond the capsuleer caste, the venue has seen an influx of new activity. Business has been good at the new facility in the lowest levels of the Sakht Genolution station, where station residents and customers from other systems alike have found the bar-turned-nightclub to be worthy of their leisure time. Drinker's Cathedral Despite it's rather bawdy name, the Drinker's Cathedral is a friendly, clean, and well-lit speakeasy. Built into the husk of a stripped out obsolete carrier floating in a remote part of Sarum Prime, the Drinker's Cathedral is a bit of a relic, chic when your father was a young man, passe when you were a kid, and only now starting to regain some of its old glory. If you need me to relay you a feed or such, feel free to contact me on a private channel. Love and Ganking, Jonny D. -----
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Ebon Seraph The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2007.08.21 22:14:00 - [7] I highly recommend La Maisons, mentioned above. Casserina Overseer of the Blinded Eye Ebon Seraph Recruiting!
Robert Kauliford Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.21 22:43:00 - [8] Edited by: Robert Kauliford on 21/08/2007 22:43:17 What? You mean theres more to do in bars than calcualte how many iskies it takes to make you pass out and how to win at the pool table? Live and learn. Delictum is an Ammatar run institution however I'm assured that our exotic dancers have Cohibas. When I found out what that means I'll let you know. Unfortunately its rather quiet so is not frequented unless you want a conversation with Delictum pilots who frequent it.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.21 22:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Robert Kauliford Delictum is an Ammatar run institution however I'm assured that our exotic dancers have Cohibas. When I found out what that means I'll let you know. It's a stick (roughly 0.1 to 0.2 meters in lenght and 0.02 cm in diameter) made from rolled dried leaves (containing various toxic and narcotic substances). You apparantly set it on fire at one end and inhale the smoke from the other end. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:34:00 - [10] Bars... now THAT is an interesting idea... shall have to look into zoning permissions for the office space I rented out for MXD. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.

Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.22 01:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/08/2007 01:19:48 Quote: Amarr - Some good places but pamphleteers abound expounding the sins of drink. This is false and I have no clue where this stereotype came from. Considering that the primary product of many Amarrian estates is alcoholic in nature, including those of my household, and that the Theology Council itself produces a liquor, its a rather implausible myth at that. Immoderation can be a sin, but thats something different. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 22/08/2007 05:53:26 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 21/08/2007 23:20:02 Originally by: Robert Kauliford Delictum is an Ammatar run institution however I'm assured that our exotic dancers have Cohibas. When I found out what that means I'll let you know. It's a stick (roughly 0.1 to 0.2 meters in lenght and 0.02 meters in diameter) made from rolled dried leaves (containing various toxic and narcotic substances). You apparantly set it on fire at one end and inhale the smoke from the other end. In other words, it's tobacco, only better. I'm relatively sure that the Caldari economy would grind to a halt if not for a steady supply of quality cigars. Do you really mean to tell me that people in the Mandate have never heard of Cohiba cigars? Hmmmm ... _
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.08.22 07:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/08/2007 01:19:48 Quote: Amarr - Some good places but pamphleteers abound expounding the sins of drink. This is false and I have no clue where this stereotype came from. Considering that the primary product of many Amarrian estates is alcoholic in nature, including those of my household, and that the Theology Council itself produces a liquor, its a rather implausible myth at that. Immoderation can be a sin, but thats something different. It's a well known fact that you are never too far from a pub when in a theological presence. I can well understand this, for I feel that you'd need to get pretty bladdered to believe some of the claptrap these guys spew.
Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:34:00 - [14] Well everyone knows that on these long stints in space it's good to keep your 'spirits' up. Which is why i often find myself headed to the bar at first port of call after docking. Steadies the legs after so long in a pod.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.22 10:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Robert Kauliford Amarr - Some good places but pamphleteers abound expounding the sins of drink. This is false and I have no clue where this stereotype came from. Considering that the primary product of many Amarrian estates is alcoholic in nature, including those of my household, and that the Theology Council itself produces a liquor, its a rather implausible myth at that. Immoderation can be a sin, but thats something different. While, unusually, I am in broad agreement with you, I think you are rather too absolute in your statement. Certainly it is bizarre to stereotype our people as po-faced ranters against the evils of drink. I have often enjoyed the wines of Old Athra and the ales of Hedion, to mention only two notable families among the multiplicity of vintings, brews, spirits and liquors found throughout the worlds populated by the Amarrian people. That said, on my very occasional, incognito, visits to planets within the purview of the Empire or Kingdom, I have encountered hot-eyed preachers and shivering fanatics fulminating against any sort of imbibing and, yes, handing out pamphlets condemning the glories of the fermented grape and the distilled grain. True, they cut sad figures, often tatterdemalion and with faces lined and pallid from lack of proper nourishment and, dare I day it, absence of vitalising and refreshing beverages in the bloodstream. Yet they exist and possibly gain rather more currency in the consciousness of the non-Amarrian peoples than they merit. I do feel that the Ammatar is perhaps influenced by the often fervid screechings of his own people's demented preachers and pulpit-bashing demagogues. So often do trained dogs bark over-loud in a misguided effort to show their kennel-masters the quality of their loyalty. That to the side, I would recommend, like so many others, La Maison de Tous Les Plaisirs and I would be happy to share conversation and perhaps a cigar or two with any visitors. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.22 11:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Do you really mean to tell me that people in the Mandate have never heard of Cohiba cigars? Hmmmm ... Well, some certainly have. On the other hand I'm personally not much for setting things on fire and inhaling smoke. Not only is it a safety violation on most stations, but the method of distribution is archaic, flawed and highly destructive. 20 years of doing this and your lungs aren't exactly in good condition. When you expect to live for several centuries 20 years is a very short time indeed. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:37:00 - [17] I have been known to visit the Drinker's Cathedral from time to time to minister to those in need. I highly recommend it as a place to seek the friendship of those who support the Empire if you must have a drink. However I would recommend instead of visiting a pub or tavern that you visit the chapel in Amarrian stations. The need for prayer and guidance from God would fill your soul with faith much more than an alcoholic drink would fill you with liquid substinance. Go with God. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.24 11:03:00 - [18] Caldarian taverns are sometimes fit for your needs. Our disciplined lifestyle allows for some places to be very Amarr friendly.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.25 01:15:00 - [19] Edited by: Gaius Kador on 25/08/2007 01:15:32 The Amarr channel was so infested with spammers, I was offered to join a new Empire wide one called New Amarr :) ----------------------------------------------
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 20 years of doing this and your lungs aren't exactly in good condition. When you expect to live for several centuries 20 years is a very short time indeed. Or it would if I planned on using the same lungs for the next 20 years ... or even the next 20 weeks. _

Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.25 06:46:00 - [21] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 25/08/2007 06:47:19 Although it's not particularly Amarr in tone or content, I'll happily join Mr. Damodred in recommending The Skyhook. I recommend trying the stronger*****tails they serve there at least once, though you may need a liver transplant immediately thereafter. For a more thoroughly, if not exclusively, Amarrian experience, I'd definitely add my voice to those recommending The Drinker's Cathedral. Unlike the Skyhook, it's got holoprojectors installed, so you can at least meet to talk, if not drink, from light-years away. In fact, I don't think I've ever set physical foot inside of it; sadly, this also means I can't say much about how their drinks taste. La Maison, though it receives understandably rave reviews from its clientelle, is the sort of place you're only likely to really enjoy if you get along with the other guests. I mostly don't, and therefore have little else to say. The Moulin Rouge is a nightclub of the most exclusive kind. Associating yourself with it may be challenging, or may actually be much easier than they let on-- I must admit I haven't bothered to find out. It seems to be closely associated with Revan Neferis (though you can expect its spokespersons to deny this), so I suppose the attractiveness of the establishment would depend heavily on your feelings about the cluster's most ostentatiously nefarious notable. This is all I can think of offhand. All tend to vary between deathly quiet at some times and downright raucous at others. If you happen to stop by The Skyhook at some point, please feel free to find me. I do enjoy a little news and politics over my drink. Mind that you leave your sidearm at the coat check, however; security's a little unforgiving.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.25 10:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 25/08/2007 10:13:01 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 20 years of doing this and your lungs aren't exactly in good condition. When you expect to live for several centuries 20 years is a very short time indeed. Or it would if I planned on using the same lungs for the next 20 years ... or even the next 20 weeks. Well, I wasn't so much speaking from the viewpoint of a pod-pilot as one of the Amarr. Cloning isn't very popular over here if you're not a pod-pilot, yet the Empire has the galaxies largest number of people enjoying implant-enhanced longevity. The lungs are very difficult to replace without resorting to cloning techniques. That sort of thing has its impact on trends and what's culturally acceptable. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.25 10:33:00 - [23] Ah, right. I failed to account for the customs of certain backwards cultures. _
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.25 11:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Ah, right. I failed to account for the customs of certain backwards cultures. What you see as backwardness, I see as wisdom. No ruling elite is meant to be near immortal, and it's foolish of the other empire factions to not implement similar restrictions on their ruling castes. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.25 12:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Ah, right. I failed to account for the customs of certain backwards cultures. What you see as backwardness, I see as wisdom. No ruling elite is meant to be near immortal, and it's foolish of the other empire factions to not implement similar restrictions on their ruling castes. Well, well. So are you recognising that the prohibition on the cloning of members of the Royal Houses is not a matter of 'sacred flesh' but is rather a measure designed to maintain a balance of power in the Empire between the five great Houses? The point being that each of the Houses supports the current political arrangements knowing that no single House can hold the Imperial Throne forever as the person of the Emperor, and any possible successors, cannot be cloned. If so, I congratulate you on perceiving this reality of power politics in the Empire and dispensing with the superstitious flummery. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2007.08.25 12:21:00 - [26] If one is able to afford the medical procedures required to enjoy centuries of longevity, one should also be able to afford the occasional regenerative lung or heart surgery to remove any ill effects of smoking. Smoking can be a danger to the less affluent or those who live on the very fringes of the cluster, but those people don't live for centuries in the first place. That being said, the habit is pointless and somewhat disgusting.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.25 12:43:00 - [27] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 25/08/2007 12:53:53 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Well, well. So are you recognising that the prohibition on the cloning of members of the Royal Houses is not a matter of 'sacred flesh' but is rather a measure designed to maintain a balance of power in the Empire between the five great Houses? The point being that each of the Houses supports the current political arrangements knowing that no single House can hold the Imperial Throne forever as the person of the Emperor, and any possible successors, cannot be cloned. If so, I congratulate you on perceiving this reality of power politics in the Empire and dispensing with the superstitious flummery. The Cosmopolite Mere power politics? On the contrary. I see that Gods words are wise in many ways, both spiritual and worldly. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice. - Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures This passage (and many others like it) was written long before cloning became a practical consideration, and our policies on the issue are in accordance with The Scriptures. That it had implications so long after the words were written is merely proof of the grandness of Gods design. Not only does it balance the five houses, but it has many other virtues. It allows for an influx of new thought at balance with beneficial long-term planning. It keeps the ruling class in touch with their flocks as they are not detached from the concept of mortality and the lifespan of ordinary men. Death is rebirth, and the shedding of old sins and grudges. All of these are a result of Gods vision, his ability to see all things in the past, present or future. But then I suppose your inability to perceive the true glory of God is why you abandoned the true faith. P.S: Quote: If one is able to afford the medical procedures required to enjoy centuries of longevity, one should also be able to afford the occasional regenerative lung or heart surgery to remove any ill effects of smoking Do you know how difficult it is to replace or repair a pair of lungs without cloning? Lungs aren't just a pair of bags. Through an incredibly complex structure of alveoli they achieve a surface area of roughly 75m2! Genetic therapy and tissue reconstruction techniques aren't exactly capable of reconstructing the lungs to full efficiency, and while they can be replaced you rarely achieve a surface area of more than 50m2, severely reducing respiratory capacity. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.25 14:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel On the contrary. I see that Gods words are wise in many ways, both spiritual and worldly. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice. - Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures This passage (and many others like it) was written long before cloning became a practical consideration, and our policies on the issue are in accordance with The Scriptures. That it had implications so long after the words were written is merely proof of the grandness of Gods design. Originally by: Verse of Amarrian Scripture in full Which test reveals more of the soulùthe test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice. - Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures That passage (and any like it) has no clear implications for cloning at all. If it did then cloning would not merely be frowned on by some Amarrians, it would surely be outlawed. Amarrians loyalists have often beat their chests as to the need to prevent people from taking actions that would damn them. In large part, this is a key element of Amarrian pro-slavery propaganda. They enslave to save, as they would put it. Left free, the thinking runs, the slaves would never be 'enlightened' and would be 'damned'. It is certainly true that many Amarrians believe cloning leads to damnation. Indeed, the Kador himself has stated that Amarrian capsuleers are no longer members of the True Amarrian people and outside the 'Chosen of God'. Even so, the Amarrian state has not outlawed it. Only members of the Royal Houses are barred from cloning. The stated reason for this is that their flesh is 'sacred' and thus may only come into being through natural reproduction, a process created by God. To use an artificial, human-created process such as cloning would be to render the 'sacred' flesh impure. This could result in the horrifying possibility of an impure Emperor on the throne. Such goes the public, religious justification for the prohibition. It no doubt appeals to the credulous but does not fool anyone as to the real reason for the prohibition. Your logic is clear enough with respect to your snippet. A person's body dies and they are therefore 'knocking on the gates of paradise'. If the person is cloned, however, they have a new body. When they subsequently die again, as often happens with capsuleers, they are presumably 'knocking' a second time. However, the little excerpt you quote seems to say this is not permitted. The implication of this interpretation is that if you clone yourself, you damn yourself. Not only is the interpretation you put on that snippet alone subject to challenge, but the main problem is that you are partially quoting from a more extensive passage. The passage in full, as you well know, which is why you choose to quote the excerpt out of context, deals with faith and how it can be tested. It is a passage that typically tries to inspire fear in those reading it. Fear that even having proved faithful, the slightest little slip by anyone believing in the Amarrian faith will be punished by eternal damnation. Still, I welcome you showing such disrespect for the coherence of the Amarrian Scriptures that you resort to quoting snippets and putting tendentious interpretations on them to try and make your points here. What, I wonder, will be next, rearranging words in Scripture to suit your purpose? Subjecting the Scriptures to numerological analysis to prove they predict everything from the assassination of Doriam II to last month's rise in the price of fertilizer? Please, do continue, this sort of thing can only help expose the Amarrian religion for the exercise in shadow-puppetry it really is. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.25 14:57:00 - [29] It's this passage and many others like it that make Amarrians distrusting of cloning technology. Nowhere is it said "Thou shall not clone thyself", which is why cloning is to an extent tolerated. However as you know this passage is only quoted from an even larger text (it is after all chapter five, verse 14), and while the first lines are a literal warning, the last line is an obvious analogy. There are no physical gates to heaven, and you can't literally knock on them. If the text continued in literal style there would have been no room for such interpretations (such as "And you will be damned if you fail your test", although probably expressed a bit better), but it isn't. Often such a clear break in style is made when referring back to a greater principle, a previous chapter or a previous lesson, but not always. The line is controversial, but my interpretation is neither heretical or unwarranted. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.26 03:04:00 - [30] I wouldn't know - the last time I tried to enter a bar in the Empire, I got thrown out as a 'terrorist'. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom

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