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Fangedterror
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Posted - 2007.08.23 21:33:00 -
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For the past few months i have have been a high sec pirate trying to make ends meet on eve. And being the newish 6 month old char that i am, i can really only handle mining corps and some newish pvp/mining corps. At first this high sec venture made sence to me. My "business plan" would have any investor begging to let them invest in my corp It was, Dec a few mining corps. Show them how mean and scarry i am and then ransome them for 100 million. Every things working perfeictly except the ransome part. The key part of my revaneu. No corp wants to pay it! they rather pay merc corps to dec me then to get this thing over with and just pay me. Now i understand that by paying someone your addmiting that your weaker. But is it even possible to make money this way? has anybody actually gotten a ransome from a mining corp or any corp for that matter??? Please share you success and or failure stories here, i just godda know.
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.23 21:53:00 -
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Mubrutha! You just need training in the art of it. Drop in an app and learn from some thugs.
Hooch
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CrushProject
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Posted - 2007.08.23 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: CrushProject on 23/08/2007 22:08:35 is war dec'ing considered high sec piracy?
You might try some traditional high sec pirating and do some can flipping. If you can get them to shoot at you (helps to be in something small) you can potentially make tens of millions. Even if they dont shoot at you tho, you should still make decent money.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.08.24 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: CrushProject Edited by: CrushProject on 23/08/2007 22:08:35 is war dec'ing considered high sec piracy?
You might try some traditional high sec pirating and do some can flipping. If you can get them to shoot at you (helps to be in something small) you can potentially make tens of millions. Even if they dont shoot at you tho, you should still make decent money.
I support this message... friend and I made a cool 20M off one guy that decided to come back for our frigs in a Raven... after a frenzied rush to our station a few jumps away to get our Battlecruisers we had one hell of a fight... lasted almost 10 mins
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Adelorae24
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.24 02:24:00 -
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Perhaps if you had a track record of smashing miners in the face until they disband all together, even if they hire mercs, then maybe they would think twice about a quick payment. You know kind of like how Racketeers dec'd Red Star until they finally just gave up on the corp.
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.08.24 02:52:00 -
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Your problem is you've come across what I like to call
Be a or Become an hero syndrome
You see every one wants to be a hero who laughs in the face of danger
and in the event you beat the laugh out of them they decide to become an hero (disband and reform their corp)
Due to the workings of corp assests and the severe lack of economic warfare shutting down an empire corp is a 15 man 23/7 job
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Big Fuzz
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Posted - 2007.08.24 08:57:00 -
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Didn't I see you on our killboard? Something about you being on the wrong end of a 1v1 with a velator last week?
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hedfunk
Caldari High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.24 14:44:00 -
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High sec piracy makes me a mint :)
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Maexnaa
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Posted - 2007.08.24 16:13:00 -
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I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
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CrushProject
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Posted - 2007.08.24 16:25:00 -
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sounds more like someone lost a ship in high sec to me....
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.08.24 16:39:00 -
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Go to this link and study: http://www.dramatec.com/articles/library/a199810001/index.html
This explains why people don't all necessarily pay you the isk to leave you alone. It explains why they may just spend MORE isk just to see you don't get the payoff you were planning on. ------------------
"Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all." |
Adelorae24
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
Right... Posted by someone with no face, and no corp. Might want to find your own nads before you call others "nadless punks". Empire piracy (at least for RAK)is the result of those of us who felt that our time spent in 0.0 running the POS and engaging in alliance warfare was more like a job than a game. Empire piracy is all the fun with none of the ice mining.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Adelorae24
Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
Right... Posted by someone with no face, and no corp. Might want to find your own nads before you call others "nadless punks". Empire piracy (at least for RAK)is the result of those of us who felt that our time spent in 0.0 running the POS and engaging in alliance warfare was more like a job than a game. Empire piracy is all the fun with none of the ice mining.
o7
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
You fail to grasp the comprehension of what highsec is.
There is a lot more then trial accounts in frigates. highsec is the center of commerce home to the greatest riches in the galaxy. And one day some one will be dumb enough to travel with them in a iteron II
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.08.24 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Internet
Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
You fail to grasp the comprehension of what highsec is.
There is a lot more then trial accounts in frigates. highsec is the center of commerce home to the greatest riches in the galaxy. And one day some one will be dumb enough to travel with them in a iteron II
Happens every day... camp out around jita for an hour and I guarantee you you'll find someone that makes you just want to freak out and YARRRRR em' right out of 0.8+
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Tuto Xfer
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Posted - 2007.08.25 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tuto Xfer on 25/08/2007 05:08:25 It fills my heart with joy to see you have trouble getting a decent revenue from your "business plan".
To give you an insight from a carebear perspective: Racketeering is not a valuable service to us, so why would we pay you? We tried a bit harder and we found a corp that could provide us protection from you (valuable service to us) and at the same time we got a decent possibility to increase our profitability.
I do believe that hi-sec bullies are people who got bullied in high school and are now living out their dream in eve - to be on the bully side at least once. To each its own i guess...
EDIT: typos
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Osamah BinPoden
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Posted - 2007.08.25 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
Not at all, alot of people who have done the whole low sec 0.0 thing get board and have a lil fun with alts doing the can flag thing, finding different ways to trick even the elite miners.
But all in all it does get boring after a bit, but at least there are a few devoted to this... shall I say trade.
But the way I look at it, it's high sec, somebodys gotta do it. they need to be taught to mine in .7 and below using secure cans, not watching TV or afk mining.
You wouldn't belive how many secure cans from past miners I had to stealth arround to get into position with a stealth bomber to gank a jet can miner in .7 (irony) those were my favorite kills.
Lots view this at lame, but hell gotta have a lil respect for people showing that high sec is not safe.
Final rant- It's just so easy to protect yourself from this flaging it's not funny, yet it goes ignored.
(be a lil gentle, kid is teething like a mofo hadn't had much sleep )
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MEEATYOU
Gallente Divine Heresy
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Posted - 2007.08.25 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fangedterror For the past few months i have have been a high sec pirate trying to make ends meet on eve. And being the newish 6 month old char that i am, i can really only handle mining corps and some newish pvp/mining corps. At first this high sec venture made sence to me. My "business plan" would have any investor begging to let them invest in my corp It was, Dec a few mining corps. Show them how mean and scarry i am and then ransome them for 100 million. Every things working perfeictly except the ransome part. The key part of my revaneu. No corp wants to pay it! they rather pay merc corps to dec me then to get this thing over with and just pay me. Now i understand that by paying someone your addmiting that your weaker. But is it even possible to make money this way? has anybody actually gotten a ransome from a mining corp or any corp for that matter??? Please share you success and or failure stories here, i just godda know.
Fangedterror
Hey Fang!
Sara Mar and Her Hauler still making millions and you still have not learned.
Come on out and learn how its done.
Join Channel "Divine" or eve mail me. Get you making some actual money with awesome players.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.08.25 07:19:00 -
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most miner/weak pvp corps a) dont have 100mil b) dont care enough to keep the corp together and end up falling apart. c) have friends
mostly a and b.
well you can always take their loot. if you get lucky might get a hauler kill with something good in it. or maybe a shuttle with a bpo?
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Morfane
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.08.25 12:30:00 -
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Extortion aint easy, especially when you are in a small corp. There are much better ways to make isk beating people up in high sec. You could try killing haulers with crazy expensive loot (takes 2 or 3 guys if you dont run multiple accounts, and can get very boring), or mission busting.
Both have made me easy billions.
btw LOL @ me getting bullied in high school. When will you carebears learn that being bad is fun? It has nothing to do with our real lives...
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Mazare Mircea
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maexnaa I'm just new and all, but if you ask me, this whole high-sec piracy thing seems to me like a whole load of chicken**** from some 'nadless punks that can't take the heat of real, lowsec stuff. So you sit in your blueflagged, twinked-out frigs waiting to bait some twit moron that needs "Standard Missile Launcher I" for an UPGRADE.
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Can flagging and high-sec war-deccing are the only things that you can still do solo and get some good fights with. Going to 0.0 and dying to the 40 man gatecamp or getting desynced to hell and waking up in a pod after 3hs of hugging a pos is not fun. It is not what i pay the game for. I pay for thrills and 0.0 warfare is just a mindless grind with no good things unless you are the chessmaster, and not the chess piece. As for low-sec stuff. Yeah, you go there and see how long you like it when command ships and gank squads are on every turn and targets for isk making are very hard to find. Low-sec is a good place to make isk through npc-ing if you know what you are doing, and that's just about it.
After 1 month in a major 0.0 alliance, although the ISK is ok and it does replenish the losses fast, the fun factor was in the toilet. I can't do missions, i don't make much by ratting in high-sec or low-sec and i can at best afford t2 guns on my cruiser or t2 drones on my BC, but i have never been happier. :) -----
Do androids dream of electric sheep ? |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.25 14:50:00 -
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O.o
As someone else said, high sec is where a lot of poor corps are. Sure, you got rich residents but they mostly move in NPC corps or can afford merc protection. Besides, pvp as a business model is never really profitable. This game has mercs so that generalisation isn't as true for eve, but generally, the actual act of pvp should be about the fun not the profit.
As for can flipping, well, ok. Get rich on stolen veldspar then. That is SO better than sitting in a belt mining. If you enjoy pvp, join a small 0.0 corp. I say small because POS warfare is boring, but roaming gangs are fun. Added bonus that the guy you're hurting is expecting some hurt.
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Darknes Falls
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Posted - 2007.08.25 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Darknes Falls on 25/08/2007 15:13:14
Originally by: Vrizuh O.o
As someone else said, high sec is where a lot of poor corps are. Sure, you got rich residents but they mostly move in NPC corps or can afford merc protection. Besides, pvp as a business model is never really profitable. This game has mercs so that generalisation isn't as true for eve, but generally, the actual act of pvp should be about the fun not the profit.
As for can flipping, well, ok. Get rich on stolen veldspar then. That is SO better than sitting in a belt mining. If you enjoy pvp, join a small 0.0 corp. I say small because POS warfare is boring, but roaming gangs are fun. Added bonus that the guy you're hurting is expecting some hurt.
I find this very funny considering that i saw 2d ago in Ours 2 of your members baiting ppl with cans while they had a Hyperion and a Navy Mega. The Navy Mega pilot also said and i quote "praes is **** !".
I guess that says it all about your post and what Praes is. :D
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Mazare Mircea
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.25 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh O.o
As someone else said, high sec is where a lot of poor corps are. Sure, you got rich residents but they mostly move in NPC corps or can afford merc protection. Besides, pvp as a business model is never really profitable. This game has mercs so that generalisation isn't as true for eve, but generally, the actual act of pvp should be about the fun not the profit.
As for can flipping, well, ok. Get rich on stolen veldspar then. That is SO better than sitting in a belt mining. If you enjoy pvp, join a small 0.0 corp. I say small because POS warfare is boring, but roaming gangs are fun. Added bonus that the guy you're hurting is expecting some hurt.
You are very wrong. You get rich residents, you get poor residents, it doesn't matter. You missed the entire purpose of my post. I said FUN. Fun for me is going in a fight with a small chance to survive and actually pulling it off with structure damage. I get these at least 1-2 a week. In 0.0 do i get these ? Fun is not going into 0.0, hugging a POS or SS cloaked for 1-2hs to be one of the 10-15 on a killmail of a ratter. Name me one corp/alliance that does small roaming gangs of no more than 2-3, who's members are very good with tactics, who will take on bad odds and I will seriously reconsider my decision to not go in 0.0 for as long as i play this game. PVP is not very profitable at all, unless you get good with it. One of the reasons i am close to skint atm : - i do not mine - i do not run missions or plexes unless i absolutely feel like doing it then and there - i do not rat unless i find a mineral or a faction spawn or i steal to get the guy's corp to engage me. - i do survive on the loot that i get from wrecks. - i left my only BS in 0.0 to my former corp, hope it helped them.
PS: And before you ask, i can barely afford cruisers from pvp loot so far, but it's nice to have a purpose in eve. -----
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Mazare Mircea
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.25 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 25/08/2007 16:03:29 Ok, so i went joy-riding on the Praesidium Libertatis killboard. Are you kidding me ?
First of all ... what is this ? Kapteyn damps on a Arazu ??? Is this your ideea of small gang pvp ??? Or maybe this ?
How long did you plan that op ?
There is nothing that a 0.0 alliance/corp can offer me, even if that were to include free ratting rights in Venal, Deklein, Delve, Catch. Name me one and i will prove you wrong. -----
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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.25 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fangedterror It was, Dec a few mining corps. Show them how mean and scarry i am and then ransome them for 100 million. Every things working perfeictly except the ransome part. The key part of my revaneu. No corp wants to pay it! they rather pay merc corps to dec me then to get this thing over with and just pay me.
Fanged, fanged, fanged, perhaps you'd like to sit down for a bit and try to remember what was going on when FWI got decced by these two pirate corps back in april(?) and how willing you were to pay them and why you werent.
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Adelorae24
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:23:00 -
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I think there is a certain truth to 0.0 alliances being gimped without their POS defences, and their Cap fleets. There's a mentality in Empire piracy that you are always close to your supply line, and it's not required to spend tons of ISK on your ships/fittings. The rewards for killing a new player in their mining barge may not be huge, but it doesn't really have to be.
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Zuubchar
Gallente sniper unlimited
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Posted - 2007.08.25 20:04:00 -
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this guys make living out of it, you could join them
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=578306
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.25 20:06:00 -
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I think its a sad state of affairs when a person cannot comment without resorting to using alts.
If you're so desperate to stalk me, go find the umpteen hundred posts where I've clearly stated that I am a miner. Not a pvper. Not even close to a pvper.
What I have done in pvp, will not always be reflected on a killboard. One of the drawbacks to being a miner is a lack of weapon skills. You'll note that I lost a covert op. Put 2 and 2 together please.
As for the PRAES remark, well, I have personally mocked (alliance)players who went back to empire for their PVP. I don't care how you judge the alliance or its members, that is not what I was talking about here.
I'm not trying to put myself forward as a pvp expert. What I stated was simple:
IF you want profit, pvp is not it. If you want fun, roaming gangs are fun, giant blobs are not.
Thats it, thats all I really said. You do not need to chuck a cry and feel persecuted.
Mazare, I'm pretty sure you can't directly link killboards anyway exactly because of that epeen crap. I don't even know why you responded to me aside from the fact that someone showed an alliance ticker. I wont even get into the pvp alt issue because in my case, there isn't really one. Killboards don't tell all, but then only real pvpers ever figure that out huh? Go back to counter strike.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh IF you want profit, pvp is not it.
Well, that's not true.
My small corp of 3 actual mains has made plenty of ISK since opening for business. We have not set any entity positive and we do not engage in PvE for profit. (sec repair maybe..)
It's very easy to keep a padded wallet for PvP if you: a) Fly in smaller numbers, less people to share with b) Put away a billion ISK and only use that for market pvp c) Know how the game works and your ships well
Before you ask precisely how much, that's not the point. I PvP because I enjoy it, all aspects of player competition excite me. I enjoy the chase, the challenge and the cries of my enemy. I make enough to keep myself in nice ships and it's very easy for anyone else to do the same is all I am saying.
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