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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:56:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:So its not ok to blacklist entire alliance if leader of that alliance is trying to inconvenience you as much as possible?
One again. Why am I a parasite? Of whom and how?
They blacklisted the alliance because 1 guy of theirs stole 50k worth of mineral (the one used for exploding), THEN the leader of the alliance decided to take this revenge. |
ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
2
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:13:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:Darius III wrote:
I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.
Approve or disapprove and why?
I dont run incursions so have no preference right now, so im sat on the fence. I will ask this though, why? Why are you attempting to prevent high sec incursion runners from doing the same thing that low sec people, and null sec people do already, but for more reward? I understand the risk vs reward premise, which is why low/null incursions pay higher, so in the bigger picture you want to keep low/null incursions as they are ( already higher payouts ) but stop high sec players doing the same? If so, i'd say that was pretty hypocritical. Maybe i dont see the bigger picture so only commenting on what i gleen from these forums, but what effect does it have on your experience of playing eve, your game, that high sec players are farming a particular event and earning lots of isk?
No, you have it right.
They are being selfish hypocrites. |
Argus Eritaramis
Fearless Bandits Sk33t Fl33t
3
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:15:00 -
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I have another idea to equalize isk and risk, that should interest you.
You know how we all hate the bot-miners and bot ratters who are just raking in the isk and destroying the value of those activities for others... Wouldnt it be nice if we were able to police those activities ourselves?
I know Goons have tried to instill some fear in miners themselves, but I feel so much more could be done...
How do we do this?
Make it optional for all pilots to join Local Chat, like in WH space.
That way all the null-bear-bots wont just dock up at the first little sign of stranger danger, but would rather have to actually have some sort of risk together with their ABC mining and their free isk.
The bots ratting away merrily in the belts would have to at least be very awesome bots capable of defending themselves, or a real human overlord would have to ride shotgun to handle any unpleasant visitors.
And you have to admit, it sure would make life in null, the otherwise very tedious life in null, quite a bit more interesting. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
477
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:39:00 -
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did a real fleet come and kill the incursion eventually? Because if it did, you failed.
Did the players who lost a ship (oh noes) find another incursion that day? Because if they did, you failed.
Did you teach the "carebears" to be more careful in the future. Because if you did, you did them a favour.
Tactics like this work a few times and are nothing new in the MMO world. So you might stop being all "high horsey" about it and feeling special. At best you made a few battleship explode. Things like this where done by PK'ers in Ultima Online in dungeons, this is no different. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Dzajic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.17 09:53:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Dzajic wrote:Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.
What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.
You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter? So people who like to be cast in roles as murders, rapists, or all-around bad guys in movies must like doing that stuff irl ?
Completely different thing. Problem is you are not really "playing a role of bandit". Problem is you screwing with game of other paying customers. Incursions interdiction is pure meta-gaming and that is farthest you can get from in context behaviour or role playing. You are going all out in effort to make game-play as inconvenient and miserable for other players as you can.
Besides in movies good guys win 99% of time while in EVE it has always been the opposite. Because it is you who take internet spaceships too seriously an you spend enormous amounts of time planning such a event where your only goal is to prevent other people playing the game or make their game time as miserable as possible. And when it comes to taking internet spaceships seriously.... how more serious can it get from nullsec leaders with their steady IRL income from RMT shops to whom they lend their space.
Once again. You are not doing this for in game profit or for your "in game role-play". You are doing it to inconvenient other players and feed your feeble little souls on other people's discomfort and trouble.
I'm so bored of this discussion over all these years. I actually hope you win and CCP foolishly listens to all your absurd little demands. Remove highsec incursions and L4s all together. Instant 70 or 80% drop in subs; CCP goes bankrupt, EA or Sony buys EVE and we get a game where forums are actually moderated and in game griefing is bannable offense. Yes it would be a extremely boring EVE; but also soo much less stressful and annoying one.
That's the whole point. Its just a bloody game; people play it to have fun. If your only fun is to constantly and consistently frack with game-play and fun of other people you are being a real jerk to real people, you are just doing it isnide of a virtual environment. |
The Time Lord
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:38:00 -
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i wanted to start getting into incursions, but all this griefing scares me. are scout sites being targeted? maybe i can do those without being attacked. missions are boring and any time i leave high sec i get ganked. not sure what to do. |
Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:43:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:*An awful lot of ranting*
You seem to be missing the main point of it, aside of the suicide fleets, we are merely playing the game as it was DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED, that being actually KILLING the Mothership when it spawns, instead of simply ignoring it to farm endless ISK. It's you guys who keeps abusing a game mechanic to benefit more then original intended.
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XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:20:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:At best you made a few battleship explode. Things like this where done by PK'ers in Ultima Online in dungeons, this is no different.
No at best they have managed to get people like Dzajic to think people in a video game are sociopaths for pissing in his spaceship cheerios~~~
Op success. |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
71
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:40:00 -
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Please continue doing this. It might make CCP address some of the more broken aspects of incursions (namely, assaults and HQ's not paying more than vanguards, and the incursion timer being a piece of ****).
Also, at Dzjaic, you complain of metagaming. Incursions are metagaming. What do you think that agreement is? Running the sites shortly after the mothership pops is the POINT of incursions from CCP's view. And they have let their creation lie fallow since a few tiny changes last spring. Hopefully if the agreement dies and motherships burn, CCP will finally address that.
-Arazel |
Dzajic
18
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:00:00 -
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If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? |
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Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:03:00 -
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So that people would actually have a chance to organize, group up and go kill the thing? The whole point is that you want to STOP the incursion from happening, by defeating the big bad mothership, not leave it alone and farm it's support fleet. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
132
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:04:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:CCP goes bankrupt, EA or Sony buys EVE and we get a game where forums are actually moderated and in game griefing is bannable offense. Yes it would be a extremely boring EVE; but also soo much less stressful and annoying one.
I am / was subscribed to several EA games.
Their forums are almost as horrible, almost as slow (actually their game codes purchase origin.com is 10000 times slower than any bad made PERL 1995 script).
Their posters are as bad as WoW ones and what they say is as nasty as here, just with longer and hypocrital wording.
The only thing they are not allowed to do there is to scam. But hey, it's CCP not the players who explicitly allow people to scam in their games, aren't them?
Where I completely agree with you is that EA would purchase EvE. EA is where good games and former good companies go to die, in a fart of shame. |
theDisto
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:04:00 -
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You are welcome to run Incursions in lowsec and nullsec where you can defend the mothership from the evil null players. It's not like you haven't headshot the lowsec MS sites coming from high sec to run the MS before before scurrying home. You said you had 500 guys, realistically what is Br1ck going to do against a fleet that size.
Evidentally Br1ck has fun running the highsec mothership sites. I understand this may upset you when you find that you can't run Vanguard sites 23/7 a day while earning 100 mill an hour in complete safety. Obviously you will have to return to L4 missions and have to unfortunately switch hardeners every site or so while grinding isk. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
132
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:08:00 -
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The Time Lord wrote:i wanted to start getting into incursions, but all this griefing scares me. are scout sites being targeted? maybe i can do those without being attacked. missions are boring and any time i leave high sec i get ganked. not sure what to do.
At this time, just avoid getting in the ISK farm factories sites (with the MOM). By the time you get your feet wet, this "event" might be over, or CCP might have patched it. |
Killa Von Murderer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:21:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
We expect CCP to step in and spawn more/change the mechanic that makes them spawn.
After killing/forcing the MS to be killed, there were 700 in public incursion channel. So we made a fake logi fleet and got @15 BS killed by luring them and not repping them once aggro came in.
I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.
Approve or disapprove and why?
I approve that the C&P types have stopped whinging at CCP to nerf incursions and decided to take matters into their own hands. That's the kind of initiative that makes Eve a great game.
I dislike that the end result seems to be disproportionately impacting newer players who can only get into T1 ships and therefore can't compete against the hard core incursion lifestyle players. But then I never expected Eve to be a socialist paradise.
I predict that you guys will get bored and go and find something else to do when people stop paying attention to you.
On a related note, is it possible for any discussion on the Eve forums to run for more than a page before it deteriorates into a 'cry moar tears' / 'U mad bro?' travesty? Didn't think so. |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:37:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan?
CCP is notorious for adding features to the game without accounting for even half the potential repercussions of said game features. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:13:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Dzajic wrote:Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.
What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.
You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter? So people who like to be cast in roles as murders, rapists, or all-around bad guys in movies must like doing that stuff irl ? Completely different thing. Problem is you are not really "playing a role of bandit". Problem is you screwing with game of other paying customers. Incursions interdiction is pure meta-gaming and that is farthest you can get from in context behaviour or role playing. You are going all out in effort to make game-play as inconvenient and miserable for other players as you can. Besides in movies good guys win 99% of time while in EVE it has always been the opposite. Because it is you who take internet spaceships too seriously an you spend enormous amounts of time planning such a event where your only goal is to prevent other people playing the game or make their game time as miserable as possible. And when it comes to taking internet spaceships seriously.... how more serious can it get from nullsec leaders with their steady IRL income from RMT shops to whom they lend their space. Once again. You are not doing this for in game profit or for your "in game role-play". You are doing it to inconvenient other players and feed your feeble little souls on other people's discomfort and trouble. I'm so bored of this discussion over all these years. I actually hope you win and CCP foolishly listens to all your absurd little demands. Remove highsec incursions and L4s all together. Instant 70 or 80% drop in subs; CCP goes bankrupt, EA or Sony buys EVE and we get a game where forums are actually moderated and in game griefing is bannable offense. Yes it would be a extremely boring EVE; but also soo much less stressful and annoying one. That's the whole point. Its just a bloody game; people play it to have fun. If your only fun is to constantly and consistently frack with game-play and fun of other people you are being a real jerk to real people, you are just doing it isnide of a virtual environment.
Dzajic I agree with you about the griefer analyzis, it is meta-gaming under the self-deception of role-playing, but I'd like to remind you that vast majority of anti-Incursions people in this thread are not against Incursions farming because they want to grief the farmers. Some are, true, but mostly people just want to balance things in the risk & effort vs reward -aspect, which is the most important balancing measure in the whole game.
Having one easy isk-printing machine deprecates the value of the other areas game.
The beef, and the only beef here is that if a CONCORD-protected hisec PVE activity is more profitable than similar activities in lawless space, it breaks the whole idea of the EVE as we know it.
Secondly Incursions were designed to be finished to relieve the system from Sansha influence, not prolong the situation. The Mom site should reap the highest rewards, and I'm pretty sure CCP will fix the design so that the Mom site will become more lucrative instead of the lesser sites.
And on a further note, you have expressed your opinions honestly, with adequate argumentation and with your main, so please don't take all the **** in this personally. People don't like the elitist, protectionistic l337 Incursion cunts, you don't seem to act like one so don't take their deeds upon your person.
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Talferia
Zombie Slayer Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:17:00 -
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Meh. I see nothing wrong with these guys doing whatever to Incursions. I'm a high sec lvl 4 running carebear that loves to pull the ISK. Considered Incursions, thought they sounded like fun, buddy of mine said "lawl, it's not worth it. people are gonna ruin it". And he was right. In that context, there's nothing not-Eve-like about them ruining it. Yea, it sucks. Yea, it would be awesome if they didn't, so players now and to come could enjoy the spoils of this awesome feature. But hey, it's part of the game, and much like a traffic jam on the freeway during rush hour, you just gotta gather some indifference for it and do something else in the mean time. Let them wreck it, say bye to it, and go back to doing something else (Pst, lvl 4's). |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
113
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:19:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Dzajic wrote:If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? CCP is notorious for adding features to the game without accounting for even half the potential repercussions of said game features.
It is pretty much impossible to predict all the repercussions of any given new ruleset in an already complex system, which will be bent, poked, twisted and abused by tens of thousands determined and creative human minds at their prime.
EVE players are nerds. Nerds are clever. A huge mass of clever nerds interacting structurally and chaotically creates emergent gameplay, making New Eden what it is. CCP not only can't prevent this from happening, neither they would want to prevent it from happening.
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Goose99
681
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:38:00 -
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Roime wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:Dzajic wrote:If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? CCP is notorious for adding features to the game without accounting for even half the potential repercussions of said game features. It is pretty much impossible to predict all the repercussions of any given new ruleset in an already complex system, which will be bent, poked, twisted and abused by tens of thousands determined and creative human minds at their prime. EVE players are nerds. Nerds are clever. A huge mass of clever nerds interacting structurally and chaotically creates emergent gameplay, making New Eden what it is. CCP not only can't prevent this from happening, neither they would want to prevent it from happening.
Good god! Huge mass of basement dwellers who take internet spaceships too seriously, getting all giggly off thinking they ruined someone else's day, thus forcing them back to their real lives that said basement dwellers lack. |
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Talferia
Zombie Slayer Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:53:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Roime wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:Dzajic wrote:If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? CCP is notorious for adding features to the game without accounting for even half the potential repercussions of said game features. It is pretty much impossible to predict all the repercussions of any given new ruleset in an already complex system, which will be bent, poked, twisted and abused by tens of thousands determined and creative human minds at their prime. EVE players are nerds. Nerds are clever. A huge mass of clever nerds interacting structurally and chaotically creates emergent gameplay, making New Eden what it is. CCP not only can't prevent this from happening, neither they would want to prevent it from happening. Good god! Huge mass of basement dwellers who take internet spaceships too seriously, getting all giggly off thinking they ruined someone else's day, thus forcing them back to their real lives that said basement dwellers lack.
I wish I owned a basement... :( |
Goose99
681
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:08:00 -
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Talferia wrote:Goose99 wrote:Roime wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:Dzajic wrote:If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? CCP is notorious for adding features to the game without accounting for even half the potential repercussions of said game features. It is pretty much impossible to predict all the repercussions of any given new ruleset in an already complex system, which will be bent, poked, twisted and abused by tens of thousands determined and creative human minds at their prime. EVE players are nerds. Nerds are clever. A huge mass of clever nerds interacting structurally and chaotically creates emergent gameplay, making New Eden what it is. CCP not only can't prevent this from happening, neither they would want to prevent it from happening. Good god! Huge mass of basement dwellers who take internet spaceships too seriously, getting all giggly off thinking they ruined someone else's day, thus forcing them back to their real lives that said basement dwellers lack. I wish I owned a basement... :(
Now, now, you don't have to actually own a basement to live in one. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:14:00 -
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What i am about to say is to all parties. I think the level of hypocracy coming from the CSMs lately is disapointing. You are supose to stand for the overal of the game not just the pvp section. There are no lack of people in 0.0. The problem is when you set blue everyone around you then ofcource you have no one to shoot at. There is a negative effect to blue everyone around you!
There are plenty of people that do not play this game for the pvp. From my part pvp is it the most fun part of this game but to others its not. The Mittani abused his postion as a CSM to initiate a war vs all mining barges in high sec. Now Darius is also abusing his position to do this. As a CSM you should not be forcing your type of gaming into the rest of eve nor should you be using your position to carry out your private vandettas OR you will fail as CSM. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
116
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:17:00 -
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CSM Meeting Minutes wrote:Focusing the discussion on Incursions, CSM brought up the point that Incursions are unbalanced in that the easier levels of Incursions are more profitable than the more difficult levels GÇô something that CCP has noted as well and is working on adjusting. The full details of that adjustment are not known at this time as there are several options available. And the issue is not just monetary, the gameplay is also becoming too predictable, and with this predictability, the risk is reduced. Players applying cookie-cutter solutions to the sites, and running some in just a few minutes, is a problem that needs to be addressed. Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand GÇô adjusting the distribution of the sites and adjusting the payout being highest on the list. But this is a positive problem, these issues are cropping up because there are so many people running Incursions. Such changes will be another example of the iterative approach CCP is committing to.
Not bad.
Peace & fly safe or dangerous, whatever pleases you o7
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Dzajic
25
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:22:00 -
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CSM minutes are out. Check the latest DevBlog.
All please check parts about PLEX prices, inflation and Incursions. See that CSM and CCP agree that isk is not related to PLEX prices; that VGs may need a minor nerf or added challenge and that other Incursion sites need a boost. And that incursions as they are are good for game and should stay.
So mr Darius III; how come that you as CSM took a nearly completely different position on Incursions than one you have in game? Hypocrisy much? Trying to be buddy buddy with CCP while pissing on their playerbase while they don't look?
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Goose99
681
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:24:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:What i am about to say is to all parties. I think the level of hypocracy coming from the CSMs lately is disapointing. You are supose to stand for the overal of the game not just the pvp section. There are no lack of people in 0.0. The problem is when you set blue everyone around you then ofcource you have no one to shoot at. There is a negative effect to blue everyone around you!
There are plenty of people that do not play this game for the pvp. From my part pvp is it the most fun part of this game but to others its not. The Mittani abused his postion as a CSM to initiate a war vs all mining barges in high sec. Now Darius is also abusing his position to do this. As a CSM you should not be forcing your type of gaming into the rest of eve nor should you be using your position to carry out your private vandettas OR you will fail as CSM.
Wait, CCP listens to CSM? Such is the repercussions of internet spaceship game on our lives.
I've never seen so little power go to someone's head. But to elite Eve basement dwellers, it's the only place where they can attain such magnificence - in virtual pixel super serious internet spaceships. Yays! |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:35:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:CSM minutes are out. Check the latest DevBlog.
All please check parts about PLEX prices, inflation and Incursions. See that CSM and CCP agree that isk is not related to PLEX prices; that VGs may need a minor nerf or added challenge and that other Incursion sites need a boost. And that incursions as they are are good for game and should stay.
Edit.
For Christ's sake. They actually agreed that Moms get vulnerable too fast and that Incursions should last longer but have a lower respawn rate!
So mr Darius III; how come that you as CSM took a nearly completely different position on Incursions than one you have in game? Hypocrisy much? Trying to be buddy buddy with CCP while pissing on their playerbase while they don't look?
Easy bro, you're sounding like a sociopath. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1121
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:42:00 -
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The Sansha mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
When incursions started, they were great, and the live event buildup was epic, like being part of a fantastic sci fi story as it is written.
Now it's elitists in shineys blitzing sites. Do you think the more hardcore incursion runners are poor sweet innocent loving players? Get your friends together in some T1 BS and a few logis and see what happens. Try to join a fleet with anything other than a pimp ship - it'll take a while, and when you get that fleet and hit that site, see what happens. They'll be there eventually.
And the worst part, the mothership comprises content that can be strung along solely for the purpose of raking in more ISK. While I don't sign on to the "griefer" aspect of mom take-downs, as I believe that engaging in a PVE target can only be griefing when people with a sense of entitlement (spoiled brats) claim it is - meaning it's not greifing - the ISK pump aspect of stringing the incursion along is a broken mechanic.
If it were possible to string a level 4 mission along and farm it all day, if harvesting a wormhole system didn't make it devoid of sites, if Sanctums could be strung along, then it could be said that incursions are within the known template of PVE content.
My own personal agenda: the mom should appear, have a despawn timer, and everybody not involved in killing it does not get their ISK and LP. If the mom is not engaged and killed, NOBODY gets their ISK and LP.
Do we get the phat loot if we don't finish that exploration content and complexes? Do we get ISK and LP when we don't finish our missions?
The mom takedown fleets are the open door for all of those who are not "leet enough" to be a part of incursions previously. All you need is a T1 BS with 90k+ EHP (armor tank) and 70%+ resists but I have seen others be allowed in at their own risk and when they can comprise their own wing. In other words, the last mom takedown fleet I was in had some shield drakes in it and a basi. A couple of days of level 4 missions can get you a couple of good T1 battleships. That and the ability to listen to your FC (as a matter of operating in a fleet, not specifically to these goals) is all you will probably need.
So everybody who had to post a fit and got mocked or laughed at, join in the taking down of the moms. Not "good enough"? if your ship can tank and spank, that's good enough. If you have never been in a fleet before against a mothership - and whether too noobish or having no desire to go to 0.0 at this time, this is your chance to get some 0.0-like experience and the people running these fleets are experienced 0.0 players. You will also find that these nefarious nabobs of low and null will not jump out of your computer, kick your sister, and molest the dog, even if they are said to engage in that activity by their victims.
And finally, if you miss live events, THIS is becoming the live event. Who knows, maybe CCP will reward our group play activity with some "extra" targets in the mom site and purple text in local.
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Hoskoal Ricks
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:11:00 -
[119] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Sansha mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
/thread |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2012.01.17 18:49:00 -
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Hoskoal Ricks wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Sansha mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target. /thread
BUT WERE ENTITLED TO FARMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
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