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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:11:00 -
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8/21/2007 4:51:00 RBGEBG5KMBQQVNDA Adeimantus Qir {Blacked out for confidentiality) 90 ISK380,000,000.00 cancelled
Petition was filed and accepted. But 380 mil was taken by a GM from me. I sold a time code to some 1 on forums and needed it within 30 minutes and was agreed to by the buyer. After waiting one hour for what was supposed to be delivered in 30 minutes. I canceled it in eve (dont like the cancel option then take it off). I got a message pop up saying due to eula or whatever rules the time code was not correct. Huh? When has a time code been bad that you buy from eve? Eve sells bad 90 DTC's? Eves affiliates sell bad time codes? I canceled and they said They paid me? If the latter is the case eve should see the sale was canceled and sold to some 1 else. (no payment was received.
Ok now that thats out of the way.
Went to petitions (first time having to do so) and noticed the help channel. Went and told them evthing. The mod there said if it was bought with isk that was purchased out of game or agnst eula rules that the time code would be returned for sale or new one issued and the isk i received for it taken back. Sooooooooo. Where and how would I find a code that was sent back? and how can I prevent this in the future? (selling somthing to a char that has malice involved in the sale when its supposed to be secure)
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:11:00 -
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8/21/2007 4:51:00 RBGEBG5KMBQQVNDA Adeimantus Qir {Blacked out for confidentiality) 90 ISK380,000,000.00 cancelled
Petition was filed and accepted. But 380 mil was taken by a GM from me. I sold a time code to some 1 on forums and needed it within 30 minutes and was agreed to by the buyer. After waiting one hour for what was supposed to be delivered in 30 minutes. I canceled it in eve (dont like the cancel option then take it off). I got a message pop up saying due to eula or whatever rules the time code was not correct. Huh? When has a time code been bad that you buy from eve? Eve sells bad 90 DTC's? Eves affiliates sell bad time codes? I canceled and they said They paid me? If the latter is the case eve should see the sale was canceled and sold to some 1 else. (no payment was received.
Ok now that thats out of the way.
Went to petitions (first time having to do so) and noticed the help channel. Went and told them evthing. The mod there said if it was bought with isk that was purchased out of game or agnst eula rules that the time code would be returned for sale or new one issued and the isk i received for it taken back. Sooooooooo. Where and how would I find a code that was sent back? and how can I prevent this in the future? (selling somthing to a char that has malice involved in the sale when its supposed to be secure)
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Adeimantus Qir on 26/08/2007 23:19:13 It was sold to Hohada to their alt char. Isk was never received.
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Adeimantus Qir on 26/08/2007 23:23:14 Posted - 2007.02.23 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
GM Nova Game Master Game Masters Posted - 2007.02.23 15:33:00 - [5] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Ionia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont sell gtc, but is there an option for a seller to cancel their offer within the 2 days? if not, then its very exploitable by either greifers or the competition --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes there is an option to cancel the offer at any time
That was posted in Eula rules. So I am within the rules.
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:35:00 -
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Here is the response I was given:
Hi,
The reason the ISK has been removed was that the ISK was from someone who gained the ISK outside of the EULA. I am afraid that as we do not provide support for any time code trading other than the secure method, we are not able to return the ISK in this case.
Best regards,
GM Krymus The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Pardon my french............. but how in the hell is this my fault if some 1 i dont even know goes and buys isk and uses it to buy somthing im selling legit?
Still havnt gotten my code returned.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:49:00 -
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It's naughty to post GM responses. However, only the secure method is supported but given the circumstances you may wish to request escalation to a senior GM via the petition system.
I don't believe I've fully grasped what actually transpired so you need to go to the GMs and explain very clearly what has happend.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:54:00 -
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Why is bad to show what some 1 said? I own a business and have no time for the kiddy games of "dont quote me". You write it, Ill quote you. If you dont have some 1's word then you dont have jack.
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:02:00 -
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Basically Devian ............ I bought a time code legit. Sold it to a player secure. Player buying time code was caught buying isk. Im sure they lost their isk. I happened to be in the players trail of purchases with this "malice" isk. Isk was taken from me and now I have no time code or the isk.
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Tybr
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:11:00 -
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Two words...
Secure method.
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:27:00 -
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it was secure. now whats the response. Read agn. I am being punished because the isk the char used to buy it was apparently bought or aquired illegaly. So they took not only from me im sure, but ev1 the isk was used to purchase with. That makes no sense. Now eve has $40 to drink more margaritas with and I , the guy who did evthing right, has nothing.
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Zarek Strauss
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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zarek Strauss on 27/08/2007 02:30:53
Originally by: Adeimantus Qir Why is bad to show what some 1 said? I own a business and have no time for the kiddy games of "dont quote me". You write it, Ill quote you. If you dont have some 1's word then you dont have jack.
The rules are there for everyone. The rules exclude you cause you are angry adeimantus qir.
Reading is fundamental.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498562
That was posted by the same people seem to be vilifying.
That post was from when? And you still don't get it do you.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.27 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Adeimantus Qir Why is bad to show what some 1 said? I own a business and have no time for the kiddy games of "dont quote me". You write it, Ill quote you. If you dont have some 1's word then you dont have jack.
Forum rule #9. Not a kiddy game but one of the forum rules.
Sorry for trying to help
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.27 04:43:00 -
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Ok I don't quite understand what happend from your original post.
It says bad code most likely because he already used it. It would say "Time code invalid" if the code was already applied to someone's account via secure system, not only if it is a fake code.
As far as I know, if he transfered you ISK, and you sent him code via e-mail, and he was actually an ISK seller who was traced and banned, you will lose both money and code.
However you state that you used the secure system to transfer the code to this guy's account. In this case I don't believe GMs are supposed to take money from you account because transaction was done via secure system. If they did take money, this is something new. Anyhow, escalate the petition and try explaining the situation to them better than you did in original post. That post has me thoroughly confused on what happened.
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Sha Verity
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Posted - 2007.08.27 04:55:00 -
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CCP: was the sale secure or not? The GM response quoted implies that the sale was not secure, in which case this entire thread should be deleted as CCP specifically says that they will NOT support old method sales.
If it was secure method, then I and other GTC sellers need to know that we can lose our ISK and time code if the secure method buyer has violated the EULA. Which is it? CCP needs to respond to this, not the OP.
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Adeimantus Qir
Elite Ops Mafia
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Posted - 2007.08.27 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Adeimantus Qir on 27/08/2007 08:04:39 it was secure..........and i had no idea (not read it) that CCP allows and sells time codes yet doesnt support the results of their secure method. "Oh yeah we sell the burgers but are not liable for the rotten tomatoes in them" Post all the rules you want, yes im guilty of not reading the part of "even if you do it right and get screwed youre screwed", but I think its bad business.
Bottom line that occured and ill explain it agn for those that cant understand.
I bought a time code. I sell time code secure through eve. All goes well. Later guy gets caught from buying isk (read eves response) Assume all of his purchases are taken back. Time code i sold him is in the purchase list. Thus taking the isk from me.
Bottom line i sold time code to guy who bought isk (i didnt know this) and the isk in whole he bought was taken away (including the 380 mil he gave me for TC) So now im left without a time code or the isk i was paid for it. But eve could give a **** less, heck they made off with $40 i initially paid for the time card.
Again the method a game I didnt create or control "says" theyre not responsible for the results or outcome that stems from a method in which they provide. Eve sells time codes as a source of income, they should back it up. Not throw their hands up and say "buy em here. get your time codes here...........and sell em here!!!!! However we dont care what happens after, but yall keep on buying them yall hear now."
I own a business, its just simply bad business.
I build a shopping center then tell the client " not my fault if the walls fall from what i built or provided" I WOULD BE BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.27 09:16:00 -
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Well, they might have made a mistake, it happens. I'm sure the GMs have their hands full with work from all the ISK buying/selling and scamming that goes around. But people who buy ISK tend to go out and purchase items with it. It can't be the whoever sells them anything should also be penalized for it, because there is no way for you to know in this game who is buying ISK. Just follow through with your petition.
Btw posting communication with GMs is agains the rules and might lead to your account being banned. You should perhaps edit it out.
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Ima Nub
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:56:00 -
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I think they MUST remove the wrongly acquired isk from the game entirely, or GTC selling could become a means for money laundering. That means more people than the crooks get hit by it unfortunately.
TBH this is rather to be expected from selling things for ingame isk, it's a dodgy business to begin with and to be expected - although you're not personally at fault in this case (as it seems). Why it's even allowed by CCP is amazing
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:02:00 -
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Either I misunderstand the op (you bought GTC from CCP for $40, exchanged it via the secure method they provide into isk, and later they removed the isk from you?) or CCP is walking on really THIN ice here.
Petition this case, if that doesn't help demand that a senior GM looks into this. It is not an option, regarless what they write into any EULA, that you pay RL money to CCP and the result of it gets removed from you by CCP. EULA doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, it needs to comply to the real world laws. There are enough examples that EULA's were absolutely invalid.
I am all in favour to do something against those illegal damned ISK buyers/sellers. But screwing up for that reason with the honest people can't be a solution.
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Fannatik
Kinetic Outer Region Excavation
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:19:00 -
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Yea i was there the day he bought the GTC and sold it, he has always used the "secure" method for selling his GTC's. Apparently after what CCP did "secure" isn't really secure if you sell to people that bought their isk. If the player bought isk to buy the card the account should be closed and a new GTC issued to the seller after the isk is taken away. Putting someone that paid CCP for a GTC into negative wallet after they use the "Secure" method to sell the GTC is LAME. If CCP is going to ruin the game for innocent people they should just shut down the servers now because nobody will play a game when the company rips you off.
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Mylena Saya
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Either I misunderstand the op (you bought GTC from CCP for $40, exchanged it via the secure method they provide into isk, and later they removed the isk from you?) or CCP is walking on really THIN ice here.
Petition this case, if that doesn't help demand that a senior GM looks into this. It is not an option, regarless what they write into any EULA, that you pay RL money to CCP and the result of it gets removed from you by CCP. EULA doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, it needs to comply to the real world laws. There are enough examples that EULA's were absolutely invalid.
I am all in favour to do something against those illegal damned ISK buyers/sellers. But screwing up for that reason with the honest people can't be a solution.
/signed
Quote: Mining is the oldest profession in eve?
I think he just called us hookers.
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:20:00 -
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Due to the massive misinformation and insinuations floating around in this thread, I feel compelled to reply to it.
You, Adeimantus Qir, did not use our secure system to trade ETCs, even though you claim otherwise. Why you come to the forums stating something which is not true and slander our support staff is quite baffling. You received a certain donation of ISK which had been gained in a gross violation of our EULA and that ISK was removed. No timecodes changed hands as far as we can tell, and even if they did, we only support the official secure ETC trades.
There is no way we at customer support would remove ISK for no reason and the proper way to inquire about it is to file a petition.
GM Nova Senior Game Master
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