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SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:32:00 - [1] allow the manufacture of all t1 and t2 to be fully player driven and reduce all the special item drops also make npc sell orders for t1 gear to be significantly higher than manufacturing so that there is a wide profit margin to use when eve began it would be foolish to have everything player made but now its past due time ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:34:00 - [2] reserved ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:34:00 - [3] or as it is translated: nerf everyone excepnt industry alts! why? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:36:00 - [4] Originally by: SiJira allow the manufacture of all t1 and t2 to be fully player driven and reduce all the special item drops also make npc sell orders for t1 gear to be significantly higher than manufacturing so that there is a wide profit margin to use when eve began it would be foolish to have everything player made but now its past due time Why do you want to nerf my game? How about the opposite, get rid of manufacturing and all stuff comes from loot drops or NPCs?
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:38:00 - [5] Originally by: SiJira allow the manufacture of all t1 and t2 to be fully player driven and reduce all the special item drops also make npc sell orders for t1 gear to be significantly higher than manufacturing so that there is a wide profit margin to use when eve began it would be foolish to have everything player made but now its past due time How about have fewer rat loot drops, but they're ALL named loot. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Cornucopian or as it is translated: nerf everyone excepnt industry alts! why? your reasoning is lacking named faction and officer gear would go up in price that manufacturers simply do not own ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:44:00 - [7] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Cornucopian or as it is translated: nerf everyone excepnt industry alts! why? your reasoning is lacking named faction and officer gear would go up in price that manufacturers simply do not own your point being? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:45:00 - [8] I think it would have wide ranging aftereffects and mostly not positive. It will increase rewards for mining/industry (positive) but reduce mission/ratting income sharply and the only reply for that will be more bounty farming (heavily negative, more isk inflow), cripple the market of named items drops (and that in turn will increase the price of invention for metaitem to use in it), heavily unbalance the distribution of items as almost everone will put up shop it on near Jita as most buyer are there, attracting more buyer and that will attaract more sellers, in positive feedback loop while other regions with less population will see little production and so little market activity. Probably the effect for 0.0 alliances will be reduced or even positive, but it wll hit hard empire and especially high sec where the economy is based on overabundance of the common modules.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: SiJira allow the manufacture of all t1 and t2 to be fully player driven and reduce all the special item drops also make npc sell orders for t1 gear to be significantly higher than manufacturing so that there is a wide profit margin to use when eve began it would be foolish to have everything player made but now its past due time How about have fewer rat loot drops, but they're ALL named loot. Then the named loot price would be 0,01 isk above production cost of T1 modules?
Lady Caeser Open Fist of Castallus	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:40:00 - [10] hahhahaaha. you fail. -------------------------------------- What are you looking at? --------------------------------------

heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:40:00 - [11] yet another pointless post from this troll.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:42:00 - [12] yup fail..... can we nerf hull tanking as well i heard its so uber --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Inturist Capital Spaceship Industries	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:43:00 - [13] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:47:00 - [14] Remove loot drops when I can attack ships in hi-sec without being wtfbbq'd by CONCORD.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:48:00 - [15] Remember Kids don't feed the stupid trolls Originally by: Jita Alt DOH, you're right, i'm an idiot >_< Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.08.28 11:59:00 - [16] Originally by: General Apocalypse Remember Kids don't feed the stupid trolls The problem is, that even when you throw them in a cage and beat it with a big stick, the trolls think your giving them attention and take it as a reward.
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.08.28 12:19:00 - [17] nerf the nerf thx.
Lavinrac Krad Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.28 12:35:00 - [18] I had a similar idea like this a while back, but I made a few concessions to mission runners/ratters (increase tag drops). Really though, the first thing CCP should really nerf before this idea is Generic Mission spawns and NPCs like Mordu's Legion. They drop loot 100% of the time, this floods the market with nameless T1 goods, and screws over some industrial characters (Miners/Low-Level-Producers). --I would not nerf drones however, because drones do not give bounties and that would screw over drone hunters. Anything that does not give a bounty should drop something 100% of the time. Why donÆt you show us on the dolly where the bad miner touched you. -Thesas THE NERF BAT COMETH! REPENT SINNER!
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.08.28 12:45:00 - [19] OMG, it's a SiJira thread, everyone hide!
realbadman	Posted - 2007.08.28 12:47:00 - [20] SiJira = Jenny Spitfire's alt? to OP: no thanks. the industry, manufacturing, and market that's available in this game is amazing to everything else i've found except RL. No need to swing such a big stick.

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.28 12:52:00 - [21] Awful idea 50+ Capitals well fitted = 150 Billion Day's of prep and planning = 3 Hours of hellish lag Look on coalition faces when they realize their fleet evaporated for............nothing = Priceless
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Lavinrac Krad I had a similar idea like this a while back, but I made a few concessions to mission runners/ratters (increase tag drops). Really though, the first thing CCP should really nerf before this idea is Generic Mission spawns and NPCs like Mordu's Legion. They drop loot 100% of the time, this floods the market with nameless T1 goods, and screws over some industrial characters (Miners/Low-Level-Producers). --I would not nerf drones however, because drones do not give bounties and that would screw over drone hunters. Anything that does not give a bounty should drop something 100% of the time. drones arent an issue here ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:33:00 - [23] Some of the equipment I ended up using long-term I only ever tried because I got one for free in a npc's can. ----- J-I-T-A It's a four letter word.
Vyyrus An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:37:00 - [24] nerf sijira from posting stupid threads like this
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:42:00 - [25] CCP has already stated their intention is to DECREASE ISK from bounties, and INCREASE loot to compensate. Though how they think this will be good for the game is beyond me, I already have enough 2nd-3rd best named Multi-spectral jammers to outfit all of the Goons AND BoB Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Malcanis How about have fewer rat loot drops, but they're ALL named loot. /signed - means a better market for T1 manufacturing without nerfing the ISK making ability of ratters and mission runners because named T1 will go up in value to compensate. Originally by: SiJira i would also like to suggest part of the isk reward for killing pirates be lp with concord and a faction that hates whoever you killed Hrm, I like this idea actually. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Atreides Horza toxicology	Posted - 2007.08.28 13:52:00 - [27] "Put isk ATMs in belts instead of rats, kplzthxbye!" Anything else we can do to optimize your gaming experience - and yours alone?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.28 14:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby CCP has already stated their intention is to DECREASE ISK from bounties, and INCREASE loot to compensate. Though how they think this will be good for the game is beyond me, I already have enough 2nd-3rd best named Multi-spectral jammers to outfit all of the Goons AND BoB exactly - unless the market is removed and the drops are made so no one has to produce again - the opposite needs to happen to allow for all styles of gameplay there is no more haulers flying into lowsec cause all the rats provide everyone with all the items they need ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.08.28 14:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Grendelsbane on 28/08/2007 14:39:22 Ratting bounties/loot account for a lot of people's income, however CCP is obviously aware of this and has the ability to mess with the bounties if they need to do economic meddling. The loot situation is not likely to change too much given the vast numbers of pilots who live solely for missioning or 0.0 PvP. I don't always like competing with NPC manufacturers, but it's usually not that hard. It's a lot easier if you make intelligent choices about where to sell your stuff.
Meleil	Posted - 2007.08.28 14:51:00 - [30] I would love for this to happen. It would make t1 manufacturing more lucrative. ~Mel

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