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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet He can't put you down for a billion. He already sold all the bonds (500m of them to me, for that matter).
MP
Your very mean.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:40:00 -
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hehe sorry I think I took your post the wrong way that's all. I see where you are coming from, and didn't really want to write it up, as all of my previous corps detail everything specifically.
If I done the same with this bond issuance, we would be dead in the water, so it needed to be completely untold.
Having said that, I have told MP and my largest investor (he didn't ask but I felt he had a right to know as he had the isk to me within a matter of minutes of the forum post).
Maybe there may be another one sometime in the future, but I have liquidated some personal assets to get my own personal capital back up so it probably won't be likely in the near future (<2months etc)
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:44:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 30/08/2007 20:46:24
Originally by: Ricdic hehe sorry I think I took your post the wrong way that's all. I see where you are coming from, and didn't really want to write it up, as all of my previous corps detail everything specifically.
If I done the same with this bond issuance, we would be dead in the water, so it needed to be completely untold.
Having said that, I have told MP and my largest investor (he didn't ask but I felt he had a right to know as he had the isk to me within a matter of minutes of the forum post).
Maybe there may be another one sometime in the future, but I have liquidated some personal assets to get my own personal capital back up so it probably won't be likely in the near future (<2months etc)
Ok, well thanks for the heads up today in my Evemail, i'd happily have another if you get the time with your next venture. Sadly due to being so busy in game I rarely get to spend the time I used to in Market Discussions, I try to get in here once a week though, but can miss so much in that time :)
Good luck with this bond, and grats to all those who got in on time.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:12:00 -
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This forum is a bit odd. It's really a mix of two things. One is people discussing ways to make as much money as they possibly can without actually giving away their real secrets. The other is people trying to enhance the player run corporation aspect of the game. Unfortunately the two of these collide and are not really compatible.
If I wanted to make the most money I could possibly make I would be much better off using my own money to do whatever I wanted. If I wanted to enhance the public corporations in the game I would use none of my own money and would have a fully public venture.
In the same way, if I wanted to enhance the use of public corporations I would not invest much money into any one IPO/Bond offer. If, on the other hand, I wanted to make the most money possible for myself I'd want to personally invest 100% of the money required for such bonds/ipo's as this one.
I personally want both things... so it makes it tough to decide which position to take. So far I've decided to let others have a chance to invest as well. How do others handle this balancing act? Or am I the only one who thinks about it this way?
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle This forum is a bit odd. It's really a mix of two things. One is people discussing ways to make as much money as they possibly can without actually giving away their real secrets. The other is people trying to enhance the player run corporation aspect of the game. Unfortunately the two of these collide and are not really compatible.
If I wanted to make the most money I could possibly make I would be much better off using my own money to do whatever I wanted. If I wanted to enhance the public corporations in the game I would use none of my own money and would have a fully public venture.
In the same way, if I wanted to enhance the use of public corporations I would not invest much money into any one IPO/Bond offer. If, on the other hand, I wanted to make the most money possible for myself I'd want to personally invest 100% of the money required for such bonds/ipo's as this one.
I personally want both things... so it makes it tough to decide which position to take. So far I've decided to let others have a chance to invest as well. How do others handle this balancing act? Or am I the only one who thinks about it this way?
Slightly off topic, but none the less.
I choose a middle ground, I'm became little isk rich in game but that would never last me forever with my lifestyle and penchant for expencive toys and pvp. I invest a little Isk here and there with my main to get the feel of business's and the people running them and if i'm happy my other charater invests in them big time. Thats where most my capital is stored and tbh it finances my life style completely, occasionally I need to raid it for a bit of isk, most the time Imperius makes more than enough from the few shares he holds which enables me to reinvest from the other account.
I know how to make money, and I COULD make more than the 7-12% I get returns from investing in other corps/business plans easily on my own. But for me the fun isn't in the money making, money is only the means to a end.
It depends what you want, if you want to be "rich" without working for it a few well placed investments of 10-15 billion can pay for a nice lifestyle if you continue playing normally and making a bit here and there. If you want to be the richest you need to work at it.
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Dagam
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 03:38:00 -
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OP is a painfully obvious scammer in a forum full of them. His MO is to create lots of investment schemes, claim to sell them out quickly, circlejerk the threads a bit and repeat. Don't even consider age of character/reputation, scams these days take that into consideration and it's not really a hinderance to changing characters when you're caught. Other things to look for, does he come across as somewhat of an egomaniac? Does he seem unusually focused on isk? Conclusion: have fun throwing your money away on this guy. Investments are stupid anyway and are for people who can't figure out how to make money themselves.
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Hexxx
Minmatar ironwood ink
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Posted - 2007.08.31 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam OP is a painfully obvious scammer in a forum full of them. His MO is to create lots of investment schemes, claim to sell them out quickly, circlejerk the threads a bit and repeat. Don't even consider age of character/reputation, scams these days take that into consideration and it's not really a hinderance to changing characters when you're caught. Other things to look for, does he come across as somewhat of an egomaniac? Does he seem unusually focused on isk? Conclusion: have fun throwing your money away on this guy. Investments are stupid anyway and are for people who can't figure out how to make money themselves.
To be perfectly fair....this is from a Goonswarm pilot.
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Dagam
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dagam on 31/08/2007 04:02:16 I never said we aren't ******** either (lolbuttes) but 4000 pilots who actually play, most of them in 0.0 for pretty much their entire time in EVE, adds up to an enormous amount of purchasing power that many people don't associate with t1 frigs. That doesn't change the fact that investments between strangers or people you "know" on these forums is one of the stupidest things people still fall for after having been burned so many times in the past.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.31 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 31/08/2007 05:02:14
Originally by: Dagam Edited by: Dagam on 31/08/2007 04:35:57 I never said we aren't ******** either (lolbuttes) so I'll assume you implied goons can't make money. But 4000 pilots who actually play, most of them in 0.0 for pretty much their entire time in EVE, adds up to an enormous amount of purchasing power that many don't associate with t1 frigs. (I first noticed this phenomenon before joining Goonfleet, by running basic skillbooks to sell in S-U and raking in a quick billion during a recruiting drive.) Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that investments between strangers or people you "know" on these forums is one of the stupidest things people still fall for after having been burned so many times in the past.
I love the unfounded blanket discreditation attempt at businesses in general :)
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam OP is a painfully obvious scammer in a forum full of them. His MO is to create lots of investment schemes, claim to sell them out quickly, circlejerk the threads a bit and repeat. Don't even consider age of character/reputation, scams these days take that into consideration and it's not really a hinderance to changing characters when you're caught. Other things to look for, does he come across as somewhat of an egomaniac? Does he seem unusually focused on isk? Conclusion: have fun throwing your money away on this guy. Investments are stupid anyway and are for people who can't figure out how to make money themselves.
GTFO troll.
Theres a danish saying which goes like this: "Scammers thinks that everyone scams". Frankly this isnt true.
Your trying to FUD this thread. But your trying to do this on one of the most well known persons on the MD foru.
Sadly i have all evidence to prove your claim wrong. I would love to have a convo with you. Because you seem to know better than me. You seemingly have some nice evidence.
The burden of proof is on you Dagam. Prove what you state, or **** up thank you.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.31 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam OP is a painfully obvious scammer in a forum full of them. His MO is to create lots of investment schemes, claim to sell them out quickly, circlejerk the threads a bit and repeat. Don't even consider age of character/reputation, scams these days take that into consideration and it's not really a hinderance to changing characters when you're caught. Other things to look for, does he come across as somewhat of an egomaniac? Does he seem unusually focused on isk? Conclusion: have fun throwing your money away on this guy. Investments are stupid anyway and are for people who can't figure out how to make money themselves.
Originally by: Dagam Edited by: Dagam on 31/08/2007 04:35:57 I never said we aren't ******** either (lolbuttes) so I'll assume you implied goons can't make money. But 4000 pilots who actually play, most of them in 0.0 for pretty much their entire time in EVE, adds up to an enormous amount of purchasing power that many don't associate with t1 frigs. (I first noticed this phenomenon before joining Goonfleet, by running basic skillbooks to sell in S-U and raking in a quick billion during a recruiting drive.) Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that investments between strangers or people you "know" on these forums is one of the stupidest things people still fall for after having been burned so many times in the past.
Wow... this is the most blatant troll I have seen since I read the DAOC forums constantly. I must give props... it isn't easy to impress me by being a troll. But such a total balls to the wall approach is just amazing. It's almost like you think you are special because you're 1 in 4000.
I stay completely out of alliance politics... I don't even know who goon-whatever is. I'll assume it's the alliance I read a bit about that has a whole covert ops wing? In any case... very impressive post. I won't remember your name, but it was quite well done. Can you tell your alliance that they need to all come into empire? You're all quite worthless to me out in 0.0, playing in your little sand-box out there. Unless you're buying my stuff your alliance means nothing to me.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam OP is a painfully obvious scammer in a forum full of them. His MO is to create lots of investment schemes, claim to sell them out quickly, circlejerk the threads a bit and repeat. Don't even consider age of character/reputation, scams these days take that into consideration and it's not really a hinderance to changing characters when you're caught. Other things to look for, does he come across as somewhat of an egomaniac? Does he seem unusually focused on isk? Conclusion: have fun throwing your money away on this guy. Investments are stupid anyway and are for people who can't figure out how to make money themselves.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Just for the record, you are aware that there are about 17 GoonSwarm investors in my various ventures right?
That's not counting the 5 (that I know of) GoonSwarm who have alts utilising my research labs through the Zzz Alliance.
So it is assumed that when you speak ill of me, you are speaking for yourself and not for your alliance as a whole.
Now back to business, after selling a couple of my T2 bpo's (had nothing to do with this bond offering) I have the funds on hand to handle this venture myself. Therefore I will be evemailing those who invested and offering them their bond money back + 10% of the return I promised. Now obviously it isn't as much as if the bond had matured, but a 10% earning in approximately 18 hours should make them quite happy.
Obviously if any of the investors (5 in total) want to stay throughout the 2-3 month duration, I will honour the terms of the bond.
I am a blatant scammer though. Obviously I only done this to build credibility, and this auction was always intended (and started well before your post btw).
To some people, having huge amounts of personal isk is an achievement. To others like myself, I need very little personal isk to get enjoyment out of this game, and running these businesses and operations is imho far more rewarding (from a non personal financial gain).
I wouldn't expect you, or 95% of the Eve playerbase to understand. Reputation is nice, but it has no bearing on my goals in this game. My goals involve assisting in expanding the financial qualities of Eve far beyond that which any other game could dream of providing. I believe a lot of the public who hang around in these MD forums are of a similar state of mind.
ISK isn't everything, one day you may come to see this. I don't play this game to earn money. If I wanted that, I would get another job washing cars in my spare time. When I see a venture that I feel is profitable, I will analyse the market, determine personal finances and capital on hand, and do what I need to capitalise. If I cannot capitalise when using personal funds, I call on the public who have invested in me for over a year now in a public sense, and allow them to get involved.
Feel free to convo me Dagam if you want to chat, I have no hard feelings whatsoever
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle This forum is a bit odd. It's really a mix of two things. One is people discussing ways to make as much money as they possibly can without actually giving away their real secrets. The other is people trying to enhance the player run corporation aspect of the game. Unfortunately the two of these collide and are not really compatible.
If I wanted to make the most money I could possibly make I would be much better off using my own money to do whatever I wanted. If I wanted to enhance the public corporations in the game I would use none of my own money and would have a fully public venture.
As a lot of business people say, idle money equals wasted income. That is why with my business ventures I generally see something, and after assessing chance to succeed etc, I will jump on it before the general public get behind the idea. I follow the same line of thinking as the above, and hate having isk idle in my wallet. So I rarely do so. This means when I need capital in a hurry it can be a little harder to source as everything is tied up (almost that is). With the Wasp II bpo I sold (linked above) I expected that to run for 7 days, but got a buyout offer quite fast so a few things changed, and I have restructured things to compensate.
Quote: I personally want both things... so it makes it tough to decide which position to take. So far I've decided to let others have a chance to invest as well. How do others handle this balancing act? Or am I the only one who thinks about it this way?
Well I am always interested in letting the younger guys succeed. There is always an inherent risk, but the general customerbase of Eve truly are honest people. Unfortunately, it is often the unsavory ones that are first to ask for (help).
I have helped/endorsed a fair few riskier corporations including
RawBlood rawcola corp CAP4U
and a few others who have come to me personally. Now, since back in GPSx days (first public IPO ever) none of those I have trusted have let me down (I lie, EIB did). Sure, I sometimes require collateral, or drill them repeatedly, or secure their assets, but I think a lot can be garnished from the way someone puts forth their ideas. It isn't about having the most grammatically correct business statement, or being as old as possible, or having the best reputation.
It's about making me believe that you believe in your idea, and making me believe that you have the qualities to pull it off, or at least make a damned good attempt. Probably took my own post even further off-topic with all that.
Anyway, I generally focus on investing on people I believe in, but never put more than I believe the person is capable of handling, into them. I made those mistakes when the markets were young (GPSx) and have learned from them
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic It isn't about having the most grammatically correct business statement
WHAT!?
Well, crap, now I'm never going to get anyone's isk. :(
Also, it's "grammatically-correct". And "anal-retentive" is hyphenated.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Quutar that is impressive
5.5 billion bond on your name alone (I am not insinuating anything... just amazed)
good luck with your venture
Heh. Not really. There are a few people I'd give just about any amount they asked for ;~)
If there is any left put me down for it. I'll take whatever is left.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ricdic It isn't about having the most grammatically correct business statement
WHAT!?
Well, crap, now I'm never going to get anyone's isk. :(
Also, it's "grammatically-correct". And "anal-retentive" is hyphenated.
MP
Damnit. I was gonna buy into this and now I found out that you've gone and bought like 80% of it at the drop of a hat.
Im coming down to gank you tonight.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic As a lot of business people say, idle money equals wasted income. That is why with my business ventures I generally see something, and after assessing chance to succeed etc, I will jump on it before the general public get behind the idea. I follow the same line of thinking as the above, and hate having isk idle in my wallet. So I rarely do so. This means when I need capital in a hurry it can be a little harder to source as everything is tied up (almost that is).
I've always disagreed with the common thinking that idle money equals wasted income. Instead, I'd say that a lack of idle money means the inability to capitalize fully and quickly on new ventures that pop up. Having to pay 5-7 or even up to 10% of profits in order to secure outside financing is a massive cut in profits. I'll often have anywhere between 10-40% of my isk sitting in my wallet at any given point. That's usually enough to start up any size business I could possibly want to start up.
It's really just two schools of thought. I am just tired of always hearing that idle money is a bad thing. Not always.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:03:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Ricdic As a lot of business people say, idle money equals wasted income. That is why with my business ventures I generally see something, and after assessing chance to succeed etc, I will jump on it before the general public get behind the idea. I follow the same line of thinking as the above, and hate having isk idle in my wallet. So I rarely do so. This means when I need capital in a hurry it can be a little harder to source as everything is tied up (almost that is).
I've always disagreed with the common thinking that idle money equals wasted income. Instead, I'd say that a lack of idle money means the inability to capitalize fully and quickly on new ventures that pop up. Having to pay 5-7 or even up to 10% of profits in order to secure outside financing is a massive cut in profits. I'll often have anywhere between 10-40% of my isk sitting in my wallet at any given point. That's usually enough to start up any size business I could possibly want to start up.
It's really just two schools of thought. I am just tired of always hearing that idle money is a bad thing. Not always.
I think of it as idle money without purpose is a waste. Not having enough isk to capitalize on an opportunity can negate as much income as isk that is not churning. I also believe that unplanned expansion wastes a lot of income potential. I personally tend to keep a fair amount of my worth available as isk to ensure that catastrophe and opportunity don't put my established operations at risk.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:12:00 -
[49]
Good point Shadarle. /me retreats into corner
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:05:00 -
[50]
Hum "expert" running the thing, business model that can't be revealed, "rich" people putting in loads of cash. Yep I would say we have EvE's first hedge fund here.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax Hum "expert" running the thing, business model that can't be revealed, "rich" people putting in loads of cash. Yep I would say we have EvE's first hedge fund here.
Dal
I was going to respond to this as if being called a pyramid scammer or some such, but then thought I should find out precisely what a hedge fund is.
After reading it, it does look very much like I have done this, except that I didn't restrict to specific investors
I have learnt my new word for the week. Thanks Dal.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.31 21:40:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ricdic except that I didn't restrict to specific investors
In Eve, I would say that 100M investment increments might qualify as a "limited range of qualified investors".
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Posted - 2007.08.31 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Ricdic except that I didn't restrict to specific investors
In Eve, I would say that 100M investment increments might qualify as a "limited range of qualified investors".
Really?
Damn... I guess I've lost touch with what most players have. Even a corp mate of mine who used to borrow money from me now has several billion isk of their own. But thinking back I do remember how hard it seemed to make a lot of money when I was only a few weeks old in EVE. I just don't see how anyone can play for 6+ months or a year+ and not be able to make at least 10 mil/hour.
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Dagam
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:08:00 -
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Inevitably people will point out you're scamming. When confronting these accusations, don't appear angry, defensive or flustered. Either respond to the points made in a calm, rational way or just ignore them. Don't let every little accusation get to you, is what I'm saying. For Cally/Dentara Rast, who ran EVE Bank, the accusations got to him and he prolonged his pyramid scheme for a month longer than was reasonable, although investments dwindled he paid out several billion to investors just to spite the accusers for a few more weeks. Ricdic, you worked for Cally as one of his tellers, haven't you learned much from that?
Also don't make points that are easily refuted.
Originally by: Ricdic just for the record, you are aware that there are about 17 GoonSwarm investors in my various ventures right?
That's not counting the 5 (that I know of) GoonSwarm who have alts utilising my research labs through the Zzz Alliance.
I already know you won't name any Goonswarm investors or their alts because you made it up, not because of "privacy" or "professionalism" that you're probably going to cite.
Originally by: LaVista Vista Also, how about you try and fix your own repuptation(I remember reading you admitting to like scamming, and having been doing that. But i could be wrong), before you try to mess with other peoples(In a poor way).
I've never scammed ever, though that's unprovable. Anyone could evesearch me though and see that you're lying about me "admitting I like scamming and having been doing that."
Lastly your condescension oozes out from LaVista Vista. Try to hide your personality more when circlejerking yourself with alts.
Originally by: LaVista Vista The interaction between people on these forums, are much more complicated than you will ever figure out.
Originally by: Ricdic I wouldn't expect you, or 95% of the Eve playerbase to understand.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet Also, it's "grammatically-correct". And "anal-retentive" is hyphenated.
No, they're not hyphenated. That is incorrect English, not incorrect-English. You generally only use a hyphen to compound nouns, or semi-words (such as co- or non-). For more usage see Wikipedia. As a general rule, if it looks right, don't hyphenate it.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:50:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Dagam Inevitably people will point out you're scamming. When confronting these accusations, don't appear angry, defensive or flustered. Either respond to the points made in a calm, rational way or just ignore them. Don't let every little accusation get to you, is what I'm saying. For Cally/Dentara Rast, who ran EVE Bank, the accusations got to him and he prolonged his pyramid scheme for a month longer than was reasonable, although investments dwindled he paid out several billion to investors just to spite the accusers for a few more weeks. Ricdic, you worked for Cally as one of his tellers, haven't you learned much from that?
It's more the point that I know who I am and why I am here. So hearing you or anyone else calling me a scammer just pushes me harder to prove you wrong. Nothing you could throw at me would make me 'give up' or 'cash in' as Cally done. As one of his Tellers back in EIB days, you are right, I was furious when I found out what he had done. After speaking to me on TS on multiple occasions, and me adding a lot of time and assistance to his operation I was pretty annoyed at what he had done.
Anyway, one needs to assume that everyone is a potential scammer if the price is right. It happened with Cally at (reportedly) 750b, and has happened with others for lesser amounts. This time last year I held about 50b of public funds, and whilst I have new business ventures now, the general amount of public funds I have been in possession of, usually doesn't increase by a large amount (ie the last 5 months or so has been closer to 80b).
Generally, a scammer would want to make the most possible money in the shortest possible time. I have never structured my operations as such, when I could have easily requested 100b and probably not raised an eyebrow. So as a 'scammer', surely I am doing everything wrong.
Oh, and did you just call LaVista Vista and alt of mine? I guess you lost all credibility and that point.
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Calladen Nimitz
Caldari Sovereign Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.01 06:00:00 -
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Quote: To some people, having huge amounts of personal isk is an achievement. To others like myself, I need very little personal isk to get enjoyment out of this game, and running these businesses and operations is imho far more rewarding (from a non personal financial gain).
Amen to that.... Heck if you enjoy making 20 page spreadsheets half as much as I do Ricdic you're having a blast! Who cares about isk when you can actually build something and make it work and bring others into it to enjoy it.
Isn't that "teamwork" at its finest?
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Moggy TheCat
Arte et Labore
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Posted - 2007.09.03 11:58:00 -
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i really donŠt know what this complete discussion is for ( soory about the english)
turn back to the Point
Ricdic has a plan an idea he needs a fund raising to get all the iskies there are investors who trust or know Ricdic and they gave him the Isk
THATS IT !
that is how things work and not wasting time in "could be" or even is then... if u want to talk about it try it on the stock-market , u will fail
and now let Ricdic do his work
No i donŠt knew Ricdic or even every named Corp/ally and No i dont have the Isk to spent on it ( but i would ) I just wrote this to stop this "Colombo" questioning "oh i missed something...."
At the top was a clear point GIVE ME MONEY and You get it back after 2- 3 Months with a percentage adding Right ? Yes? then stop talking about
(hopefully i donŠt missunderstood all above postings)
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary Anvil.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Daeva Vios on 03/09/2007 14:00:01 I think one point missing from this is the reminder that every time you give your money to someone else, you risk losing it. Every single individual who invests in ventures here should be aware of that, and I like to think that they all are.
The amount asked for wasn't enough to seriously dent the wallets of most of the regular posters here, it seems to me. Unless I miss my guess, there are at least five people posting in this thread who could afford to foot the entire bill without missing the money too much if it turned out to be a scam.
The biggest loss would be suffered by Ricdic himself, in the form of reputation.
Trust is far more valuable than money in this game, and once it is lost it can very, very rarely be recovered.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:08:00 -
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3/5 of the investors have been refunded, 2 of which refused to take the 10% interest offered to them. The remaining 2 have chosen to hang on throughout the bond, so the invested isk still in the bond is 900m isk
Thanks to everyone for your support, if this all goes good I might even have another one in a few months for the same sort of cost.
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