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Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:17:00 - [1] So. Was thinking. Old bookmarks by the gates caused lag. We took 'em out. Or CCP did. Kinda. But we still have bookmarks. "Where especially?" i hear you ask. In safespots. You got them all around lowsec, even more so in g0.0glespace. So, how about we take those out and add a...wait for it..."jump to random" option? I think that's a simple enough explanation, now on with the flaming and noob calling! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Grez Minmatar Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:21:00 - [2] Bookmarks themselves don't cause the lag. Mass creation, duplication and such are what cause the lag. Getting rid of them will do nothing. ---
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:21:00 - [3] Hardly works when you need to warp to a POS or jump bridge, though, does it? Or my rather handy 200km gate spots. Etc. Or my deep space storage cans. Or....
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:22:00 - [4] Edited by: ry ry on 30/08/2007 10:23:18 but the BMs we collect aren't just mids and safes, are they. edit. points up what they else said.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:25:00 - [5] Well i know it wouldn't remove all, but surely it could ease one tiny molecule of needed...err...stuff? Just thought a jump to random would, well, be nicer So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:29:00 - [6] The problem would then be differentiating between what is simply a safe spot, and what is a specific bookmark; and result in it being completely impossible to implement. Besides, from a realistic point of view, if you were a pilot would you trust random warp co-ordinates that could warp you into the core of a sun etc....
Corsa d'Azur Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:37:00 - [7] Um. No. This has to be an attempt to troll.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Corsa d'Azur Um. No. This has to be an attempt to troll. Yes. Ofcourse. Like all my posts here on the forums have been. I'm the mightiest troll there is! Sriously now... So it was a bad idea, i can live with it. Though one would imagine a more "self controlled" warping system could be in place. I mean, if the only way to jump to a "empty" space in..space(go figure)...is to warp between two objects and tell your nav operator to hit the bookmark button....NOW!...then there's certainly a cap in the technological advancements So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:40:00 - [9] This is an abosolutley brilliant idea. And I will tell you why, It would get rid of one of the most annying things about Eve. The nerf cloaking freds. Yeah, why fit a cloak when you can just use a macro to randomly warp you round a system. Then we would have nerf random warp freds, but then we can just say, blame the Sheriff it was his idea.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Banana Torres This is an abosolutley brilliant idea. And I will tell you why, It would get rid of one of the most annying things about Eve. The nerf cloaking freds. Yeah, why fit a cloak when you can just use a macro to randomly warp you round a system. Then we would have nerf random warp freds, but then we can just say, blame the Sheriff it was his idea. But arn't macros naughty and such? Surely ideas can't be shot down due to naughty people? So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.

cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:50:00 - [11] No need to align or be intelligent. Just press a button and you're safe. Brilliant. How soon may I procure this fabled iWin button?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/08/2007 10:53:41 Originally by: cal nereus No need to align or be intelligent. Just press a button and you're safe. Brilliant. How soon may I procure this fabled iWin button? Well that would be the random part. If you want fast warp, you align and warp "there". If you warp "random", you might end up warping in a completely different direction and take more time. But, this thread can mvoe away from the original idea(as it was deemed no worthy), and towards the issue of perhaps making some changes, or add-ons, to the warping to make it more...ship controlly type. I always found the control of your ship to be a bit, lacking..sorta, you know what i mean So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:00:00 - [13] Well, it isn't too difficult to create a non-aligned bookmark in open space. Just make a bookmark when you are traveling between two objects, then warp to that bookmark, then warp to a third object and make another bookmark. This second bookmark is no longer directly in between two objects. 'Course, this requires one to plan ahead. In a way, bookmarking is like mapping out space. The warp drive can't work on anything that isn't "mapped" and thus your ship has no idea how to get there. Warp drive isn't as simple as heading in a direction and going really fast. That's what an afterburner does. I can imagine the benefits of having more control over the warp drive, but I don't really understand why we need it. It would just be candy. A sweetener in the coffee that is Eve.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:02:00 - [14] Originally by: cal nereus I can imagine the benefits of having more control over the warp drive, but I don't really understand why we need it. It would just be candy. A sweetener in the coffee that is Eve. Exactly Should always remember to say in my original post that my ideas rarely contribute in a meaningful manner, nor that i know anything about reducing lag(as/or such), but are more ideas towards immersion. Or, in some cases, evolve to such. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Just thought a jump to random would, well, be nicer Everybody.....BURN THIS MAN!!!! Caldari and proud
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Sheriff Jones Just thought a jump to random would, well, be nicer Everybody.....BURN THIS MAN!!!! I haven't learned heat yet, so you can't, ner! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:44:00 - [17] Another thought on the random warp would be the rather amusing situatin where the random number generator decides to warp you to where you are already....
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:47:00 - [18] I've got a Jita-buster bookmark. Guarantees my Freighter cuts through all the traffic at 4-4 :) It's golden, and while I'm sure I'm not the first to do it, I'm damn glad i thought about it. So no, random warp wont cut it :P Improve Market Competition!
Goodlookin Gus Gallente Viking Research and Production space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:49:00 - [19] what about all the anchored cans out in space? reduce their hp for 2days and let evry can in empire be KOS for evryone. bm isent the issue. CANS is :) empire research and bpc sales High sec research service avalible. join channel viking research for more info
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.08.30 12:06:00 - [20] a self-sustained inty with speed mods, left for a couple of nights in the middle of nowhere, speeding off the eliptic would create the same thing. As long as you get your safespot off the eliptical far enough, you've got near-unbustable safes to create just from one off-eliptic SS. I know, tedious, and would take quite a bit of time, but hey, its the price you pay for invincible SS's. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online

Damien Smith Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.30 12:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari a self-sustained inty with speed mods, left for a couple of nights in the middle of nowhere... ...wouldn't have even travelled half an au.
Gorthauran Amarr Throne of Tragedy	Posted - 2007.08.30 12:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Goodlookin Gus what about all the anchored cans out in space? reduce their hp for 2days and let evry can in empire be KOS for evryone. bm isent the issue. CANS is :) /agree Kill the GSC, they should pop like within a week/fortnight max(at least let the lock pop so ppl can raid them after this time). So much of this trash floating around the place. Seriously, if you can't collect your loot within a week or so you are pretty hopeless or in the case of mass canage you have obviously bitten off more than you/corp can chew you greedy little buggers.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.08.30 13:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Grez Bookmarks themselves don't cause the lag. Mass creation, duplication and such are what cause the lag. Getting rid of them will do nothing. you do realize all of the bookmarks are held server side and DO contribute to lag, right? Any mass amount of entries to a database that everyone draws from will slow down system response. I have 50 SS in one particular system, and no less than 20 in any of the 0.0 systems i rat in. Figure the average person has 500-600 bookmarks throughout Eve. Multiply that by 400,000 and you have roughly 2,000,000 to 2,500,000 entries to the database that must remain loaded whether or not the user is logged in. Move the bookmarks CLIENT side and watch the lag decline.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.30 14:21:00 - [24] Originally by: SexxxSlave Multiply that by 400,000 and you have roughly 2,000,000 to 2,500,000 entries to the database that must remain loaded whether or not the user is logged in. Not how dbs work. The entries will only be loaded when needed.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.08.30 14:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Sheriff Jones So. Was thinking. Old bookmarks by the gates caused lag. We took 'em out. Or CCP did. Kinda. But we still have bookmarks. "Where especially?" i hear you ask. In safespots. You got them all around lowsec, even more so in g0.0glespace. So, how about we take those out and add a...wait for it..."jump to random" option? I think that's a simple enough explanation, now on with the flaming and noob calling! You must not have to hide much. Did you think about the fact that people set up safe spots in certain locations so they can observe certain places on scanner, or remain out of scanner range from some or all other gates/planets/moons?
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: SexxxSlave Multiply that by 400,000 and you have roughly 2,000,000 to 2,500,000 entries to the database that must remain loaded whether or not the user is logged in. Not how dbs work. The entries will only be loaded when needed. the BMs are stored server side. They load when the server loads, bottom line. Even if they arent used, they need to be on demand....what are you some sort of DB "expert"??? BM's contribute to lag, PERIOD.

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