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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.17 06:48:00 -
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Anika Mobius wrote:
- Crew: New type of "module" that cannot be purchased or traded and can only be aquired by convincing them to join you. Crew would cost ISK monthly (as salary) regardless of account state. Crew would add bonsues similar to how rigs work today and could improve over time so long as they're assigned to an active ship on an active account.
- Change deadspace so that mission ganking is more difficult. Make fleeing from mission more difficult to compensate.
- T3 Ships and Modules recommendation: make them powerful, but fit once like Rigs.
- Make EVE's pricing tiered. Allow players to pay more money to train faster. Enable a F2P mode which only allows a couple of hours a day of game/training time.
- CCP Mining Bots: Time for CCP to **** or get off the pot on the bot situation. Either make thier own bot that only paying accounts can use or start getting serious about stopping EULA breaking bot usage.
I think that's generally it. It's getting late on my end, so I might have missed something.
F2P? Bots? Please no. I can see why you unsubscribe from EVE frequently though.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1557
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:08:00 -
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get the **** out
get your F2P nonsense out of here |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
538
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:16:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, someone spent lots of effort writing down their idea to the fullest and immediately the troll brigade comes along to bash it without even reading it all the way through.
Well done EVE playerbase, you've actually made me feel sorry for you because of how pathetic you've become, now I hope this game really does die a slow and painful death because it deserves it. You didnt read this part did you?
Quote:CCP Mining Bots: Time for CCP to **** or get off the pot on the bot situation. Either make thier own bot that only paying accounts can use or start getting serious about stopping EULA breaking bot usage. I obviously agree with the need for CCP to crack down on bots, but that should be the only option Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Cyaxares II
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:33:00 -
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Solo players are less likely to generate content/social interactions that will make current players stay in the game. I guess they are also less likely to recruit new players into the game.
If CCP invests some money to make a socially connected and active player happy they'll get a higher multiplier on that investment than if they spend the same amount of money on a solo player. |
Valei Khurelem
172
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:37:00 -
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Quote:I obviously agree with the need for CCP to crack down on bots, but that should be the only option
sorry, but as long as the gameplay is autonomous and repetitive, bots will always exist and saying that actual players can't use them is just spiteful and pathetic when we already know thousands of other users are blatantly using them for their own ends. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:57:00 -
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I wish people would stop it with their self indulgent ideas and visions.
Contract teh stuff and get out! |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:57:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:I wish people would stop it with their self indulgent ideas and visions. Contract teh stuff and get out!
Gladly, let me just charge you 1 billion ISK for it :) |
Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc. Not Found.
59
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:06:00 -
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Mobius 1 this is Mobius 2, we have a new target. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:13:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, someone spent lots of effort writing down their idea to the fullest and immediately the troll brigade comes along to bash it without even reading it all the way through.
Well done EVE playerbase, you've actually made me feel sorry for you because of how pathetic you've become, now I hope this game really does die a slow and painful death because it deserves it.
Oh look, a wild white knight appears!
(while I am sure the gesture is appreciated, I wouldn't keep my hopes up that the OP is a girl if I were you) I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:15:00 -
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lol @ Alpheias
No one likes an ******* and unlike the EVE player base I don't really consider it okay to be one just because CCP don't ban people for it, way to give in to peer pressure. As for that comment on girls on the internet? I ALWAYS assume people I meet on the internet are guys, makes life easier.
p.s. That goes for you too, I'm pretty sure there's a **** under that dress |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
417
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Posted - 2012.01.17 08:27:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:lol @ Alpheias
No one likes an ******* and unlike the EVE player base I don't really consider it okay to be one just because CCP don't ban people for it, as for that comment on girls on the internet? I ALWAYS assume people I meet on the internet are guys, makes life easier.
p.s. That goes for you too, I'm pretty sure there's a **** under that dress
By those words, one has to assume your dating history on the internet has not been great. Or since you assume everyone online are guys, then perhaps it has!
ps. pics or it didn't happen? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2012.01.17 09:13:00 -
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As a solo player for nine years and counting I can only strongly disagree that there is not enough content for that style to play around with.
And FtP? That is something for second rate games or games that are turning second rate. No need to go there. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
1263
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:14:00 -
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If you know that well what customers want, you should open up a game company and get rich yourself.
And have fun with the "broader audience" full of idiots. lol
Jowen Datloran wrote:As a solo player for nine years and counting I can only strongly disagree that there is not enough content for that style to play around with.
And FtP? That is something for second rate games or games that are turning second rate. No need to go there.
And this. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:35:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, someone spent lots of effort writing down their idea to the fullest and immediately the troll brigade comes along to bash it without even reading it all the way through. Put it this way. I hope OP is trolling. If they aren't and sincerely think these ideas are good, they are clinically ********. |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.01.17 10:47:00 -
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Holy wall of text.
Anyway, well thought and good written, worth reading. Some good ideas included.
+1 Intertetz for you, Sir. |
Ryans Revenge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:01:00 -
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I got about a third down that until I saw it turn into a "bring crews into eve" thread and abandoned it.
I do however agree that solo is a lot less enjoyable nowadays. To me the introduction of anomalies has stopped the nullsec solo roamer catching nice kills and such as you now have to scan them down then work out which one they are at and by the time you get there they are long gone.
There are many things that have reduced solo play over the last 3 years but I believe this is the main on for me personally. Along with the nano nerf obviously but that's not such a big deal as it can be overcome with ship choice / proper piloting. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
45
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:03:00 -
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Quote:Second, enable tiers of services for players capable and willing to spend more money on their past time. For example, I recommend that CPP allow players to pay an extra $10 to purchase a 30-Day Pilot Training Accelerator License [PTAL] which can be used to increase their characterGÇÖs learning speed by 50%, or be sold on the in game market for ISK. Perhaps even allow two PTALs to be applied to a single character at a time, effectively doubling the characters skill point accrual for 30 days. Sell Pilot License [PLEX] in various denominations. 15-day for US$10, 30-day for US$15, and 90-day US$40 seem the most logical denominations to me. This will allow players short on cash to continue their characterGÇÖs development on a reduced budget; and allow those players who have the capacity to spend the additional money on a CCP product. This would also make the in game economy more fluid as the diversity of PLEX products increased and players could make choices based on their bet as to which products will best maintain their in game value relative to the real world cost.
When a game has gone to such great lengths to develop such a balanced skill system, so everyone is on the same playing field wether they can play for 10 hours a day or 2 hours in the evening, or they choose to grindgrindgrind or simply cruise the universe looking at the sights...... Why the hell would you ruin it by allowing people with more money in RL have such an insanely huge benefit over those who dont.
With that one paragraph, you have shown such an ignorant view of Eve, I wish you had put it at the start of the letter so I would not have had to bother reading the rest!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
314
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:06:00 -
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I got through most of your OP before my eyes glazed over and skimmed the rest (let's be honest, it's not that I can't read essays and walls of text... it's just that I don't enjoy doing it... especially on a GAME FORUM... and it isn't something particularly interesting/facetious).
Quite basically you are looking for a game that seems like EVE, but isn't. I don't often say this... but EVE is not for you. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
931
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:22:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.
Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Nel Gardier
Time Sync
50
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:24:00 -
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Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Can you go back to that bit about you being in the shower? |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:37:00 -
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I like to play solo and often find EVE to be stacked against soloers more so than any other MMO I've played. However, none of your ideas interest or benefit me in how I play or would like to play solo in EVE. I wouldn't object to CCP going further in dealing with botting though, but that's a separate issue. |
WAuter
DUTCH MINING SQUAD
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:33:00 -
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I do agree mining needs a serieus buff (or all the other professions a serieus nerf), in high sec with 2 hulks and decent skills i can only make a maximum of 10mill/h..
If i'm doing level 4 missions then i get between 20 and 40 mill/h..
Mining in lowsec, wormholes and 0.0 is suicide and the benefits are not worth risking 2 hulks aka 440mill ISK, not to mention the orca (450mill).
Living in 0.0 and wormhole space is fun and more rewarding* if you can spend several hours a day online... I can't cuz i have to spend time in something called RL too.
*more rewarding than empire but still not as rewarding as doing plexes and ratting in 0.0 or doing missions in empire!
Wormholes pay off if you have a lot of time on your hands...
So yes mineral prices should skyrocket or otherwise it's a waste of time.. |
Jak'at
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.17 15:53:00 -
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Unfortunately, they do not care if you de-sub your account because you are frustrated with bots.
EVE can't figure out to maintain a player-base so they have refocused 90% of their efforts towards aesthetically pleasing new potential subscribers.
They don't care if you desub because these BOTS you hate so much realistically put more money into their pockets than you, the single player does.
Until CCP can figure out how to actually please it's playerbase instead of just having fun with all of their toys making things look cool, they probably won't seriously decide to crack down on automation-players and RMT. After all, those annoyances are paying their bills and salaries. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.01.17 16:53:00 -
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cripes.. I thought this was necro, and it's been written today.
Umm.. where do I start?
I agree, in that I think you should go back and have a shower to rethink this. Drop your sub for awhile and take some time away from the game, if you think that will help. I've done it in the past myself on a number of occaisions.
Tiered Subs are not really the way to go I think; though I am fairly certain there is another alternative. Currently EVE ranks among the highest pay per month subscriptions that I am aware of.
Interesting note: I downloaded Rift and checked on my old account yesterday. What I found kind of surprised me: I still had 3 days left, and I hadn't played since release. I'd forgotten that Rift only counts in-game time towards subscriptions; so, if you don't play, it doesn't get used. Might help to explain why it is so popular. Wouldn't work for EVE because of the skill system of course.
Automated mining is not a horrible idea. A lot of people have been posting similar ideas lately. Really, it would be nice if CCP could remove the bots though; because we all know a healthy economy depends on it being player driven. Unfortunately, it is not, and that is why it is so borked.
Mining is not fun. It isn't however rediculously boring either. It is just work that is less fulfilling than it should be. I don't mine unless another player wants me to do a mining op with them; and even then, I hesitate and hope for local to spike in that brief moment.
Honestly, if it payed better I wouldn't mind it. Spending wads of ISK on ships that have all the survivability of a puppy in a sewer; when it takes two weeks to get a return on the investment, isn't my idea of fun. Mining is fun for people who haven't yet realized that you're more likely to lose scads of ISK than make it.
Mining barge argument is lame. Covetor costs ~ 20 million and won't often survive the 7 hours to recover it. Add another 3-5 hours for fittings to that in addition. It's like 1-2 million per hour to mine with a barge in highsec last I checked; mayby 3 with a Covetor and good skills.
Survival rate goes down from there, and we all know how good it is in Highsec.
Those are what I see as somewhat valid points; the former, (subs), because we potentially lose a number of good players to monthly costs. Economy being what it is, I know a few friends of mine have dropped subs for that very reason. They were all in the US; which has suffered a lot in recent years, with regards to work shortages.
The fact that multi-subscriptions for, (i.e: "how to play EVE properly"), managing broader spectrum training and leverage in game, increases that cost substantially doesn't help. Neither does the fact that many players who haven't the time or inclination to grind; either bot or PLEX their way to power.
Add to that members of big Alliances and small Corporations funding wars, SuperCarriers, Titans, and Capitals with PLEX; as well as many other things, just to maintain some competative edge in game, and we have a costly enterprise. Not saying this is super-common; but it does happen.
I myself funded part of my last corps ventures with ISK from selling PLEX and characters; my original main and specially trained alts included. I got some back eventually, but unfortunately met misfortune with that damn market trick to the order of 4.5 billion, and wasted a great deal on testing PvP, and setting up my Alliance, as well as Corp Standings and other things.
Now I'm wasting what remains on PvP again, with no real means of making more. Not unless I plan to gring Missions to level 4, then grind level 4's indefinitely. Mining isn't going to do it, and being a Null slave is somewhat ludicrous as a means of making ISK. Having ship replacement available might make it worth it; for those ships you lose in Alliance sanctioned PvP.
I'd still swear I've read almost this exact same post, along with pretty much the same responses somewhere. |
betoli
Morior Invictus. Velocitas Eradico
14
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:42:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: Mining is not fun. It isn't however rediculously boring either.
Neither is tetris ;-)
The problem with the PVE content in Eve is it presents little or no variation. Mining is financially unrewarding, but actually more risky than missioning to a non-noob. Go figure.
There are a few simple fixes that could be done;
a random element in spawns that mean even the most pimped ships stand a chance of loss.
Splitting high-sec belts into tiers, with higher (rat) risk, higher reward belts. I know there is some variation between sec status, but its poor.
Fundamentally botting happens because of deterministic gameplay, which means it can be performed deterministically. Mining is the perfect example of this, you simply don't need to pass the Turing test to do it, it needs a major reworking. Its one of the fundamental sources of stuff, and yet it gets the least love and is the least mentally challenging.
As for the other stuff... generally no. I'd rather see plex leave the game completely. I could see that a F2P mode could have a role. If you don't have an active account, however you should a) get no skill points, b) get no bounties, c) get no LP d) can't cloak and e) can only fly ships available in trial periods - I think its OK to let people log in and fly around a bit, so long as their primary contribution is as a target. :-)
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ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
541
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:18:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:I obviously agree with the need for CCP to crack down on bots, but that should be the only option Sorry, but as long as the gameplay is autonomous and repetitive, bots will always exist and saying that actual players can't use them is just spiteful and pathetic when we already know thousands of other users are blatantly using them for their own ends. As far as I'm concerned the people who would be against making bots legal are the same sort who think using exploits and bots are okay to stay on a level playing field with everyone else, granted this isn't strictly true for everyone but it amazes me they never talk about how boring the grind is to think they're completely innocent. You won't be able to justify the banning of bots if you don't have a fun game, we already see many examples in real life where simply legalising currently illegal activities and regulating it instead to make it safe would actually bring more benefit to the people involved than keeping it illegal would. If CCP made bots legal then they would not only get more money from the accounts but players like me would be happier because stuff like mining wouldn't actually be so tedious anymore so we might actually be able to go some way to enjoying the game rather than logging off every hour or so after finishing because it gets so boring. If you don't enjoy the game why do you keep paying to play? And don't say: "I don't pay, I use PLEX." Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
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