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Cel Halcyon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cel Halcyon on 31/08/2007 01:27:26
This is an in-progress attempt to provide EVEMon-like functionality to Mac OS X users.
There are currently a few bugs with it, most notably that the automated updating is currently broken. There are a few other problems, and I'd like for you to report when they occur.
Also, I am not quite a programmer. I just saw a gap in the software market and sought to fill it.
You can find more information, (out of date) screenshots, source code, and the download here:
http://code.mahora-gakuen.net/wiki/WikiStart
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Valois
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:08:00 -
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So far, so good, time to start with the suggestions:
Could you please make the application resizeable and also add a way to hide it?
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Valois
So far, so good, time to start with the suggestions:
Could you please make the application resizeable and also add a way to hide it?
You can hide it by hitting Command-H or clicking Skill Monitor -> Hide Skill Monitor.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:49:00 -
[4]
Nice app. You beat me to it. ;)
I added a few bugs and suggestions as tickets.
The next feature that I would like to see is to be able to create training plans so I can see how long it will take to train a set of skills.
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Cel Halcyon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 16:34:00 -
[5]
I'm on them now. Thanks for the help.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Wraith on 31/08/2007 18:23:48
I noticed there's an "All" timer and a "Training" timer.
Just to clarify, the All timer is the time remaining until it does a complete refresh of all skill history, etc., and the Training timer is when it will refresh your current skill in training information. Is this correct?
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Cel Halcyon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Wraith
Edited by: Blue Wraith on 31/08/2007 18:23:48
I noticed there's an "All" timer and a "Training" timer.
Just to clarify, the All timer is the time remaining until it does a complete refresh of all skill history, etc., and the Training timer is when it will refresh your current skill in training information. Is this correct?
Right. This is to prevent too much of a load on the API servers. At least 9 minutes must've passed since your last training refresh, and at least 50 minutes must pass since your last complete refresh.
However, this can actually be forced by putting your computer to sleep and waking it. This forces a full refresh of all characters. The thought process behind this is that if your computer's gone to sleep, it's likely been a long while since it was last awake. Not always true, but often enough.
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cicica
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:51:00 -
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What a great app,
PM me if you need any help with it (making an installer maybe?) although I'm quite new to the mac, I've been a developer for the better part of a decade and I'm sure I can wrap my head around all this cocoa fanciness.
Great job again!
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Soong Hay
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:29:00 -
[9]
Thanks for this app it's freakin awesome! 
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Praetor Kahn
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Posted - 2007.09.17 00:47:00 -
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New Version available.
Download Here.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.09.27 09:10:00 -
[11]
I wanna have yer baby..... Thank You....
Now, is there any way to plan skills? Or is it only monitors them?
I am playing with it now...
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.09.28 16:07:00 -
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One thing, the monitor keeps crashing when my iMac goes to sleep. I get "Skill Training Completed" voice message over, and over again, and then error messages when I click on the application "jumping/attention" in my dock.
Other than that, and the desire to have an actual planner built in, the application works great!
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Davan Sarn
Gallente
Sarn Smuggling Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.01 16:14:00 -
[13]
Very nice app. I've got it running all day while I'm at work. I thought I might as well make a small contribution if you're interested. I'm a professional designer, and I'm also an icon snob, so here's some application specific icons that I made for my own enjoyment, but thought you might be interested in using one of them in the official release as the App icon.
If you decide you'd like to use them, let me know and I'll send you the incs files.
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New to smuggling in EVE? So are we, visit EVE Smugglers today. |
Aprudena Gist
Caldari
Capital Development and Security Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.01 16:52:00 -
[14]
Why do need to manually install a Framework that can easily be enbedded into the .app structure.
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Bogu D
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:56:00 -
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Cel, I love you.
This app is just floating in coolness. Thx!
I've just installed it and found a possible bug. After creating and deleting a new character tab, it's still visible in the main window but not in the Saved Character list. Even after restarting the app, the tab of the deleted character is still there.
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William Darkk
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 18:15:00 -
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Is there any way to get it to display how long it would take to train any particular skill I already know to the next rank?
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Zareph
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.10 02:35:00 -
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I'm an aspiring cocoa hacker. Is there an SVN I could plug into xcode so I could take a stab at somethings? couldn't find that on the website.
While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers. |
Kernel Sander
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.11.16 20:32:00 -
[18]
Is this project dead?
If not, I'd love some svn access to play around a bit. Kind of new to objc, but it's a very shallow-learning-curve kind of language.
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Akira Zendragon
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:59:00 -
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Same here... I'm starting to play with Cocoa, and would really love a decent EVEMon-like app in OS X, so I'd be up for some coding |
Zek Flint
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Posted - 2008.01.05 20:49:00 -
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This is the biggest reason I missed playing on Windows. EVEMon was so useful. Your app looks amazing, this combined with the Skill Monitor Widget, OS X is rapidly catching up to the Windows functionality and I think we could surpass them. Mac users are notorious for taking Windows functionality and making them way better. I can't wait to see where this app goes.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.01.06 05:48:00 -
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Would be really nice to have the "planner" option, like in SkilMon.
Other than that, this is great help, and wonderful application.
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Nikkolai Pierre
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.01.07 05:05:00 -
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awesome app bro!!
i especially like the overlay feature, keep up the good work!
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Kagurazaka Asuna
Caldari
Memphis Technologies
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:24:00 -
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This is Cel Halcyon. Somewhat after writing this I stopped playing the game.
But I'm genuinely happy of the response that this app has recieved, so I'm very much considering picking this back up. Before quitting I had already laid the groundwork for skill planning and even laid out the the planning window/browser in NIB form.
Give me some time to research what Trinity has changed in the game and I might make this work. At the very least, release a Leopard compatible build
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.01.08 10:31:00 -
[24]
You've already put the source up in the Trac browser ... any chance you could go the rest of the way and put up a source package download or svn/cvs access - then others could contribute.
Barney
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.10 15:19:00 -
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Cel, any chance you could email me? You can find my email on the ESM website. Click my sig for that.
Thanks,
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.15 20:32:00 -
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I'm going to be helping Cel continue this project.
Personally, I would like to see it become a one-stop app for all out of game Eve needs. One thing of particular interest to me is ship fitting.
First things first, though. We will be working on skill planning.
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Pagnon
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Posted - 2008.01.31 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Wraith
I'm going to be helping Cel continue this project.
Glad to hear it Blue. Is there a new home page? Same project pages? Will source (svn/cvs) ever be available?
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makanesi
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Posted - 2008.02.09 21:06:00 -
[28]
Don't let this app die! It has such awesome potential and it is so needed. I'm rooting for you to get it figured out.
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William Darkk
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.02.10 06:39:00 -
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I've got a lot of free time atm, so if you need a tester please let me know (MSCS).
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Desdoria
Minmatar
SteelWolves
Final Unity
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kagurazaka Asuna
This is Cel Halcyon. Somewhat after writing this I stopped playing the game.
But I'm genuinely happy of the response that this app has recieved, so I'm very much considering picking this back up. Before quitting I had already laid the groundwork for skill planning and even laid out the the planning window/browser in NIB form.
Give me some time to research what Trinity has changed in the game and I might make this work. At the very least, release a Leopard compatible build
I love eve and this mod. If you need help or would like donations then please post a note for us.
Desdoria
~If you give your Llama a chilli, you will anger your friend~ |
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Hal 1976
Caldari
Galactic Wayfarers Union
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:34:00 -
[31]
It is sooo excellent
Please continue and greatest of luck...
once you get the skill-planner out pleaste put a paypal donate ta Cel Halcyon there!
All the best!
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Rottenator
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.24 11:05:00 -
[32]
Looks promising, if there is a installer ready I really gonna try it.
Though I cannot play eve on my good old iBook, I do all other stuff on it except the actual gaming. It's so annoying to have to switch on the PC before I can start meta-gaming.
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Cylon01
Gallente
Shadow Network
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:33:00 -
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Great Work.. This app has great potential. "Finally a skill monitor for mac that is close to EVEmon!" I have both mac and pc and I use mac at work.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:31:00 -
[34]
The hosting and everything for the project will be the same.
Sadly, I've gotten pretty busy lately, and haven't had time to mess with it. I've got a few bugs on ESM that I haven't even gotten around to fixing yet. It's not looking like I will be able to spend much time on this in the near future. :(
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William Darkk
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:32:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Blue Wraith
The hosting and everything for the project will be the same.
Sadly, I've gotten pretty busy lately, and haven't had time to mess with it. I've got a few bugs on ESM that I haven't even gotten around to fixing yet. It's not looking like I will be able to spend much time on this in the near future. :(
I'm not the greatest programmer in the world, but if you evemail me contact info maybe I could try my hand at it.
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Kaliencia
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:05:00 -
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Hi,
I have come across this peace of software recently, and i find it really usefull, I am a programmer, and started to look into Xcode programming recently. Would like to help out with the project, but cant get the source code, is there a packaged source code that can be downloaded?
Kali
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Robert Landry
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Landry on 18/03/2008 16:48:04
What's the status on this particular project? I've downloaded (and use) the dashboard widgit, which is awesome, and would love to have the ful EVEMon functionality on my MBP...
:-)
"T'is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."
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Shin Chogan
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.30 00:29:00 -
[38]
Just fired this up again after a while of not using it and it seems to think all my skills are at level 0 but that I still have all the skillpoints for the skill
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:05:00 -
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We need more applications like this.. too bad Blue Wraith has RL. I suppose we could kidnap his cat, and force him to work on the project....
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Rottenator
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:09:00 -
[40]
I totally agree! Just make sure the cat is being treated well.
Maybe the other said to lend a hand can do the work for him, if he gives them all they need for it.
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mibus
Minmatar
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.04.22 06:21:00 -
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Is there any way to get in contact with Cel Halcyon (email)? Would be nice if he could give us access to his cvs/svn system so i could get a copy of the source code.
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makanesi
Minmatar
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.29 23:17:00 -
[42]
Source code, please. I know very little about programming, but I am so willing to test. Please, don't let this die!
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Milamar Tokugawa
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Posted - 2008.05.03 10:09:00 -
[43]
Mine doesnt work enymore. It just says authentication failed and quits. Can enyone help me? |
Velocity Prime
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Posted - 2008.05.03 19:11:00 -
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I can't get it to work either. I dropped the framework into the library/frameworks file on my HD, but the thing won't update and then crashes saying that it is unable to update the program. Anyone have any ideas? |
mibus
Minmatar
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.05 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: mibus on 05/05/2008 06:15:46
Originally by: Cel Halcyon
There are currently a few bugs with it, most notably that the automated updating is currently broken. There are a few other problems, and I'd like for you to report when they occur.
You need to download it manually.
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Cel Halcyon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:26:00 -
[46]
Sorry for not being around. Life has had a lot on its plate lately. I've had no time for pleasure projects like this. I'm here on that 14-day trial for Empyrean Age to do this.
But I found out that even still no one else has come along and filled this void of an OS X skill monitor program, despite OS X EVE having been out for so long.
So I build a Leopard compatible version for all of you. I'm sorry that I cannot do more.
You can get it here. Please read the README.txt file.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128500406/SkillMonitorCocoa.dmg.html
Also sorry for Rapidshare, but I no longer have my own hosting.
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Bai ZongTong
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:41:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Cel Halcyon
Sorry for not being around. Life has had a lot on its plate lately. I've had no time for pleasure projects like this. I'm here on that 14-day trial for Empyrean Age to do this.
But I found out that even still no one else has come along and filled this void of an OS X skill monitor program, despite OS X EVE having been out for so long.
So I build a Leopard compatible version for all of you. I'm sorry that I cannot do more.
You can get it here. Please read the README.txt file.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128500406/SkillMonitorCocoa.dmg.html
Also sorry for Rapidshare, but I no longer have my own hosting.
You should release the source code (if you havn't already done so), so people can continue building on top of it while you get busy in RL.
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Cel Halcyon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bai ZongTong
You should release the source code (if you havn't already done so), so people can continue building on top of it while you get busy in RL.
I had, and then I realized that no one could get to it anymore due to the site being down.
So here, it's a mess, it's garbage, and it's barely strung together and needs some serious refactoring. I like solving the problem but then I get sluggish when it comes time to make the solution elegant.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128523005/Skill_Monitor_Cocoa.zip.html
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.10 20:57:00 -
[49]
Cel would you mind if I started a new project on sourceforge.net so we can have people work on the codebase? I would also host a forum and wiki on my servers for the project..
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Cel Halcyon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:58:00 -
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Go for it. All I ask is that I remain in the credits for what I've done on it.
You all deserve this tool to develop further, so we should do what we can. I'll work on it when I can as well.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:50:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Cel Halcyon
Go for it. All I ask is that I remain in the credits for what I've done on it.
You all deserve this tool to develop further, so we should do what we can. I'll work on it when I can as well.
Thank you... I'll set it up thie weekend and post the info in the mac and dev sections on the forums.
again thanks for this, and when I post the soruceforge info please log in and help if/when you get a chance.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:00:00 -
[52]
OK sent a application to SourceForge for approval.. I'll keep you all posted with any updates, if you want to help in the development this program send me a in-game mail.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:06:00 -
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/eveskillmonitor/ is the new home for Cel's skill monitor cocoa.
I need developers willing to help on this project, let me know ingame or on the forums if you can help.
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b33rw3nch
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:37:00 -
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I can help test - I know a bit of objc as well - probably not enough to be of use tho. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:12:00 -
[55]
I'm but a simple caveman developer. Your CVS checkout that's full of SVN confuses me.
Which project is the current one? Skill Monitor Cocoa or eveskillmonitor?
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:54:00 -
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use the eveskillmonitor, as for the .svn folders, they are put there by the devtools when you check it out and update via its svn tool.
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hagis McBree
use the eveskillmonitor, as for the .svn folders, they are put there by the devtools when you check it out and update via its svn tool.
I would love to have a look - Unfortunately I'm new to Macs and xcode, I've checked out the source but it won't build, I've tracked down a couple of problems
1) I had to change the "Cross develop using target SDK" - 10.4 universal is the only one that gets close to building selecting 10.5 causes errors like : /Users/barney/Development/eveskillmonitor/EveAPI.m:211: error: invalid use of void expression
and /Users/barney/Development/eveskillmonitor/EveAPI.m:228: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
2) SM2DGGraphView not present at all in checked out code - download and copy into source tree and point xcode to the correct directory - it is currently looking in /Library/Frameworks/SM2DGGraphView.framework
3) PSMTabBarControl framework is included but for some reason xcode couldn't find the header file. Downloading and copy into source tree fixes
4) Sparkle framework is included but again xcode fails to find it during the linking stage. Downloading and copy into source tree fixes this too.
5) Linking failure : Undefined symbols:
"_sqlite3_column_text", referenced from:
-[FMResultSet kvcMagic:] in FMResultSet.o
-[FMResultSet stringForColumn:] in FMResultSet.o
(lots more but all related to _sqlite3_) . This one has got me stumped what do I need to change in the project config to get it to find the appropriate libs.
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Hagis McBree
Minmatar
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.07.18 15:25:00 -
[58]
send me a e-mail via sourceforge so I can add you to the dev team if you want.. the sql issue I think is due to the way it was uploaded.. I think, let me look into it.
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Cel Halcyon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:09:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rees Noturana
I'm but a simple caveman developer. Your CVS checkout that's full of SVN confuses me.
Which project is the current one? Skill Monitor Cocoa or eveskillmonitor?
That's probably because I was personally using subversion beforehand and as such the files got zipped up with the source I uploaded.
And I'm sorry, a handful of frameworks I didn't copy to the project directory. You can easily find those through Google. But on the other hand, it SHOULD compile for 10.5 just fine as that's what I did prior to upload the source. As for FMResults and whatnot, that's from sqlite3.a and the FMDatabase files. Should definately all be there.
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Cel Halcyon
But on the other hand, it SHOULD compile for 10.5 just fine as that's what I did prior to upload the source. As for FMResults and whatnot, that's from sqlite3.a and the FMDatabase files. Should definately all be there.
I'm new to Macs and objective C so please bear with me if I'm being stupid. I got all the frameworks from google as you said I was just reporting my experience so others could benefit. What stumped me for a little while what that some of the frameworks are present in the checked out code but they just don't appear to work, downloading the appropriate framework and copying over the top of these fixed the problem.
I'm not sure how to fix the void errors when using the 10.5 sdk but trust me they are there when I try building the code as checked out from the sourceforge repository - Just managed to fix it ... the real problem was a couple of warnings about multiple definitions of "-start" putting (TrainingSkill*) infront of "skill start" on lines 211 and 228 of EveAPI.m appears to have removed these errors.
All I am left with now is the sqlite3 errors, I've been looking to find a way to include the /usr/lib directory where the libsqlite3.dylib file is, which I assumed is the library that provides the functions defined in sqlite3.h but maybe I was wrong in that assumption ... I've not found a file called sqlite3.a either in the Leopard installed files or in the checked out code.
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2008.07.21 15:13:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Cel Halcyon
That's probably because I was personally using subversion beforehand and as such the files got zipped up with the source I uploaded.
That's what I figured. It would be nice to see the project continue to use Subversion on Sourceforge. Is there a reason why it was changed to CVS?
Shouldn't be hard to whack all the hidden .svn files within the project. Good if the project stays with CVS. Even more important if it is moved to another Subversion repository. If you need help then I can assist. Just contact me in-game.
I started my own project recently because I wasn't sure of the status of this one, but with a focus on iPhone compatibility of the core code. From the brief look I've had I've taken a different direction but might be able to help out some.
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Avonus
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:06:00 -
[62]
What in the world is going on?! The site isn't working! 
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Cel Halcyon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:37:00 -
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I feel the need, somewhat, over looking back over the code, to make a statement. That statement is that this was my first Cocoa project, and in fact, first time working with Objective-C. On top of this, I'd actually, as embarassing as it is to say, before this point had never done anything substantial with a language that was not garbage collected (I prefer to use Ruby--in fact the original version of this program was written in RubyCocoa. Also my university is garbage and teaches Java. What the hell is with that?).
So the code is most likely laughable--a hack and badly put together, but somehow it runs. It probably leaks some memory (although not a noticable amount). It probably has errors, and small gotchas that'll crash the program. There's probably use cases I overlooked (this is most likely due to not following a proper development process. I sat down and wrote).
I'm sure that anyone who sits down to work on this will likely scrap half the app altogether. But I myself am proud of what I managed to accomplish with no knowledge of the language, nor the API.
But I'm happy to have helped someone. And will continue to do so.
I have been set up as an administrator of the SourceForge project. I will be continuing to work on this as time allows.
Let's get skill planning going, shall we?
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