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Blacksilk
Caldari Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.09.01 16:56:00 -
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Some info for the op.
If you have a particular interest in crop circles you might be interested in some of the early work, (mid 90's)by researcher Colin Andrews (an electrical engineer by profession).
He did some very interesting analysis with control samples taken from outside of circles, and samples taken from within circles. Those sample's were professionally analyzed by a separate scientific laboratory, and showed in brief, that a change had occurred in the molecular structure of the samples taken from within a circle.
Roughly translated, crop with the molecular change, continued to live in the field, so in other words the stems of the crop were bent on a molecular level and not broken, as happens when you wander around a field with a plank strapped to your foot.
The reason for the molecular change was not identified, but if I remember correctly there was talk of microwave energy as a possible lead for answers.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 01/09/2007 17:05:54
Originally by: Blacksilk Some info for the op.
If you have a particular interest in crop circles you might be interested in some of the early work, (mid 90's)by researcher Colin Andrews (an electrical engineer by profession).
He did some very interesting analysis with control samples taken from outside of circles, and samples taken from within circles. Those sample's were professionally analyzed by a separate scientific laboratory, and showed in brief, that a change had occurred in the molecular structure of the samples taken from within a circle.
Roughly translated, crop with the molecular change, continued to live in the field, so in other words the stems of the crop were bent on a molecular level and not broken, as happens when you wander around a field with a plank strapped to your foot.
The reason for the molecular change was not identified, but if I remember correctly there was talk of microwave energy as a possible lead for answers.
Yeah, ive read about that. You would think that sort of stuff would be big headline news actually... something is modifying crops at their molecular level, and nobody cares. Thats quite strange to me.
There are some theories that the crop circles are being created by the earth itself, but I dont really believe that personally. The circles are designed in a intelligent way and not at random, so... unless you believe the earth has intelligence, that theory doesnt hold water.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 01/09/2007 17:46:29 Edited by: Patch86 on 01/09/2007 17:46:16 It always amazes me that despite the fact that the "joke" has long since ended and most circle makers have owned up (there was even a television program on a few years ago showing one - a complex chequered pattern - being made over night, in the pitch blackness, by a small group of middle aged blokes) there are still people who insist that aliens are coming down and bending wheat in to the shape of ying & yangs in fields in Wiltshire...
I mean honestly now, tell me straight- what would you take as incontrovertible proof that they were made by humans? What would be necessary to persuade you?
EDIT: The Wikipedia article has a good list of the various names in circle making. Follow the citations if you want something a bit more solid than Wikipedia itself to read. ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
I mean honestly now, tell me straight- what would you take as incontrovertible proof that they were made by humans? What would be necessary to persuade you?
Simple really. All you need to do is get the best crop circle makers together and a team of cameras filming a field. Now, in the middle of the night, you have 1h 45m to make a circle as complex and large as the East Field one, without making a sound and without being seen on the night vision cameras filming the field.
Because that is what happened.
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kastar on 01/09/2007 17:53:11 classic case of anthropocentrism. I'd like to believe they visit us. I'm conviced there is life out there.
What I don't believe is that they would be interested in us for more then 15 minutes, unless as a laughing stock. If they would see wtf we do to ourselves and our planet they'd wet their pants and turn around.
Kas -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:55:00 -
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I can only offer you the principal community site for circle makers Circlemakers.org which is chock full of proof, articles, howto's, interviews and god knows what else. I'd try to find you one of the several TV programs that featured complex patterns being filmed in the making, but I seriously don't have that much patience ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 I can only offer you the principal community site for circle makers Circlemakers.org which is chock full of proof, articles, howto's, interviews and god knows what else. I'd try to find you one of the several TV programs that featured complex patterns being filmed in the making, but I seriously don't have that much patience
Im not disputing that humans can make crop circles. But they are not making all of them. I mean, just look at all the incidents where people clearly didnt have the time or the means to make the formations in the time available to them. Or the ones that are done in fields that arent completely flat, and the circles are still absolutely geometrically perfect when viewed from the air.
If you are impatient, you might be bored to look through whatever formations is available and read about their creation. But the facts are there for anyone with a bit of patience and interest.
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Thorliaron
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Posted - 2007.09.01 20:24:00 -
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maybe their just here to hunt us and predator the movie is actually based on rl events but turned into a film so it will shock us less when it comes into the public eye for real!
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.01 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 01/09/2007 20:42:49 The problem with crop circles is that is supposed 'Aliens' waited for us to plant uniform crops before they decided to 'contact us'. Crops that are easily manipulated by anyone with a piece of string and some wood.
Why not in dirt? Or Stone? Or anything else for that matter?
..and they just 'happened' to be filming the right field, out of the thousands in the UK.
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.09.01 21:44:00 -
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Assuming that ufologists are right (those with the least amount of contradictory "evidence") then meeting aliens would be interesting to say the least. Naughty elusive pranksters...
According to how traces of their passage were recorded , aliens have :
-standard issued ship cloaking devices , prone to frequent malfunctions. -highly miniaturized craft , no huge motherships ever coming close to earth. -no long range teleportation capabilities. Tractor beams must seem good enough to them. -no permanent base on earth , they always use air transport instead of cloaked submarines / ground vehicles. -lousy psychoactive drugs for humans , that can't reliably keep one unconscious during the whole abduction , or permanently erase incriminating memories.
Their behavior could be explained by :
-a very inquisitive nature. They want to know absolutely everything about our planet. -an enforced stealth directive and ban on interaction with humans. It is forbidden to try and communicate with conscious humans , or leave any clear evidence of their passage. Some individuals like to bend the rules and create some riddles / oddities that are not technically proof of their existence. This activity is either frowned upon or punished , since it's not witnessed in a regular pattern , but might have a good number of adepts. -an amused / playful view of our species. Our well-being doesn't concern them much , they must perceive us as interesting toys to play mind tricks with. Their society might be focused on gaming , which is the main impulse for visiting earth. Respecting game rules must have become an essential moral principle , which is why none of our cities got nuked from orbit. -no facial expression , or any physical display of emotion that we can perceive. Still , they can be amazed by what they find , or laugh together when doing some weird experiment , but telepathically or in a very faint (inaudible) and slow fashion.
It's a complicated enough situation to handle imho. Why add a government coverup ontop of that ?
Originally by: Cipher7 If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:07:00 -
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It's quite simple actually..
The chance of life emerging on a planet is xx%, very small. There are near-infinite planets, thus that total chance approaches 1. Now the chance fo them finding us or us finding them among all those other empty planets..nigh 0.
Even with the use of wormholes to cover huge distances faster than light would in normal space it'd be impossible to locate us in the first place, so no, no aliens here.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kastar
What I don't believe is that they would be interested in us for more then 15 minutes, unless as a laughing stock. If they would see wtf we do to ourselves and our planet they'd wet their pants and turn around.
Kas
Lol, so true.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:29:00 -
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NO
The odds are very good that intelligent life has, is, or will be in existence elsewhere in the universe.
The odds are very poor that intelligent civilizations will concurrently occur with enough accuracy that they can contact one another.
Only way that is possible IMO is if a solar system has two planets in the habitable zone, and enough material is seeded between both planets that intelligent life evolves on both. A binary planetary system...
The US government or any other gov could never keep the wraps on alien visitation...
The grey aliens that are "visiting" earth would more likely be humans from a different time & dimension, than interstellar travelers.
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Blacksilk
Caldari Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz It's quite simple actually..
The chance of life emerging on a planet is xx%, very small. There are near-infinite planets, thus that total chance approaches 1. Now the chance fo them finding us or us finding them among all those other empty planets..nigh 0.
Even with the use of wormholes to cover huge distances faster than light would in normal space it'd be impossible to locate us in the first place, so no, no aliens here.
Interesting theory when you read it, but not when you think about it.
This idea assumes that any other life form in the universe is at the same level of technology and ability as we are.
Why would that be? Is this because we don't like to think of ourselves as not being superior to the rest of the universe or something? Oh shock horror!! There just might be someone out there more advanced than we are, did this not cross your mind? Why is it that we HAVE to be the most advanced?
Sok Im not flaming you honest, its just I have listened to that argument before and its flawed for the reasons I give.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
The grey aliens that are "visiting" earth would more likely be humans from a different time & dimension, than interstellar travelers.
This is quite probably one of excruciatingly few times in your life when "humans from another time & dimension" is ever going to follow the phrase "more likely" ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 01/09/2007 22:46:53 Dont know if anyone has pointed this out but the crop circles was a hoax and it was exposed.
There are no such thing as UFO's vising earth. chances for life in the universe other than earth is good, but the chances of them ever coming here is close to zero on account of the big distances.
Even if there were lifeforms in alpha Centauri the closest star it would take them thousands of years to get here.
People who seriouslt beliv in UFO's are irrational.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.01 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: DarkMatter
The grey aliens that are "visiting" earth would more likely be humans from a different time & dimension, than interstellar travelers.
This is quite probably one of excruciatingly few times in your life when "humans from another time & dimension" is ever going to follow the phrase "more likely"
Well, when you think about it.
If the string theory is even remotely true, and we can use gravity drives to navigate between the dimensional "sheets". There is an infinite number of Earths you could visit/exploit. Same gravity, same atmosphere (if you visit the Earths at the right time period) There is not need to try to break the speed of light...
Plus, is the Grey aliens where true, bi-pedal, arms, fingers, head, eyes, breath air, can withstand our gravity... Not only is finding other civilizations impossible, finding one that can live on our planet is impossible to the billionth power...
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Agnar Koladrov
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.09.01 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest why would aliens want to visit? seriously, in some parts people are dieing from hunger/thirst, other parts people are dieing to each other cause of a slight variation in religion, and most of the other parts dont care and are poisoning/devastating the planet with noxious gasses and.
if you were an alien, would you want to visit this place? personaly, I'd put some observers around it and at the first sign that such a planet was able to spread out into the galaxy I'd wipe them out so theye cant damage any more of the galaxy.)
If I was some entity from, well somewhere else and "work" in a 'biologist/anthropologist' like form of science branch. Then yes, I`ll be darn right interested on what goes on any planet with other growing/evolving intelligent life.
Same as: if we some day can travel without troubles interstellar distances and find intelligent life on a lower devellopment level. It will be DARN and may I say DARN interesting to see, follow, observe and perhaps guide how such species devellops in both social, technological, spiritual/regilious etc etc ways.
So people that say, nah they wont come here because we are stupid war mongering apes should think twice about that. What in the world should they look for here? Read the above again.
If we are visited? I really do not know, we cannot say YES! or NO! Same with our current publict level of science, it cannot be awnsered. Sightings, it can be true, it can be false (as in a hoaks etc). Publicly information, thus all the non goverment regulated information know to the world on this subject, can be true and or false. Who can say? Only people/orginazations/government/intelligence angenties who know the truth and can come up with solid evidence. Or the 'aliens' themselfs.
Who can tell? No no here one can, that is for sure. ________________________________________________
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.09.01 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 01/09/2007 23:06:02
I think its statistically likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe, but I don't think they've ever come here or ever will.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
- 48% of Americans think UFOs are real.
UFO just means Unidentified Flying Object, so UFOs are definatly real. Its who is flying them, if anyone, that's in question. Polls like that should also say "...of those polled" or "...polls suggest..." Its not appropriate to take sample info and apply it to an entire population, especially one as diverse as the US.
EDIT: Wasn't trying to be confrontational or rude btw. Just stating my opinion. ------ wait...what? |
LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.09.01 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 01/09/2007 23:56:01 if u wanna know all about aliens then go discover the nature of your own mind its quite simple just be silent, meditate there will be opening a whole new world to u one world so huge so wonderfull you will laugh about the fact that u looked outside for it and recognise that u were before a child playing with toys
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Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.02 00:36:00 -
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To be honest, I would have to put myself in the I dont know catagory. I used to think they were for real, but in the realms of tinfoil hattery, there is alway a counter conspiracy to conspiracy in a conspiracy to confuse conspiracy theorists.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
This is a quick overview, but I have looked into this alot and there is something to it. But would suggest that the UFOs that most people see are related to this. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.02 01:37:00 -
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Cmon Aliens land ffs.. I want me a hoverbike
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:18:00 -
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Without becoming involved with the current debate:
Yes. There are too many coincidences and too many incidents, even given the 95% rate of hoaxes/natural phenomenon. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Mudkest
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
People who seriouslt beliv in UFO's are irrational.
no, people who reject the possibility of space travel casue of technical imposibilities are being irrational.
Take Jules Verne for example. In 1860 or so he wrote a book about some people traveling to the moon. Madness! but 100 years later there's neil armstrong taking a small step.
There's the flat earth, the sound barrier, flight! just to name a few things that were prooved to be true at some point.
Just take a look at the technological advance we made over the past 100 years.
it is irrational to do away with space travel simply because of present day limitations and "proof" that its impossible.
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pigofparadise
Minmatar Daedalus Initiative Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Without becoming involved with the current debate:
Yes. There are too many coincidences and too many incidents, even given the 95% rate of hoaxes/natural phenomenon.
Without becoming involved with the current debate: JESUS CHRIST WHY WOULD ALIENS MAKE CROP CIRCLES Its the most stupid thing ive heard. Why not contact us directly, or leave more tangible signs? And if they wanted to abduct people, why not take a leader of some sort instead of drunk hobos? jesus
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/09/2007 07:46:37
Originally by: pigofparadise
Originally by: Tarminic Without becoming involved with the current debate:
Yes. There are too many coincidences and too many incidents, even given the 95% rate of hoaxes/natural phenomenon.
Without becoming involved with the current debate: JESUS CHRIST WHY WOULD ALIENS MAKE CROP CIRCLES Its the most stupid thing ive heard. Why not contact us directly, or leave more tangible signs? And if they wanted to abduct people, why not take a leader of some sort instead of drunk hobos? jesus
Nice job of making up your mind without even looking at the information available. :)
It seems to me that there are personality types out there that absolutely refuse to actually look into this and see if there is something there. What happened to your curious mind?
You wont even look at it ffs, and yet you "know" what it is.
Look. Just go have a look. Crop circles may not be made by aliens, but some of them are not made by humans, because some of them are impossible to make during the time they have been made (and because nobody saw or heard someone during the creation despite being right there). You dont even know, because you havent looked. Ok?
So why not check it out? Stop with the knee jerk reactions and go look at whats available and try to debunk it with other explainations. At least do something instead of thinking you know its not aliens, because how would you know?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksilk
Originally by: Sokratesz It's quite simple actually..
The chance of life emerging on a planet is xx%, very small. There are near-infinite planets, thus that total chance approaches 1. Now the chance fo them finding us or us finding them among all those other empty planets..nigh 0.
Even with the use of wormholes to cover huge distances faster than light would in normal space it'd be impossible to locate us in the first place, so no, no aliens here.
Interesting theory when you read it, but not when you think about it.
This idea assumes that any other life form in the universe is at the same level of technology and ability as we are.
Why would that be? Is this because we don't like to think of ourselves as not being superior to the rest of the universe or something? Oh shock horror!! There just might be someone out there more advanced than we are, did this not cross your mind? Why is it that we HAVE to be the most advanced?
Sok Im not flaming you honest, its just I have listened to that argument before and its flawed for the reasons I give.
I forgot to include that actually but thanks for reminding me. The chance of them existing in the same time panel as we (couple million years) is even smaller =P
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
Take Jules Verne for example. In 1860 or so he wrote a book about some people traveling to the moon. Madness! but 100 years later there's neil armstrong taking a small step.
Yeah, and over 1000 years ago some guy in a dessert wrote a 'holy' book, but thats not really a valid argument for the existance of god now is it?
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Mudkest
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mudkest on 02/09/2007 08:36:08
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Mudkest
Take Jules Verne for example. In 1860 or so he wrote a book about some people traveling to the moon. Madness! but 100 years later there's neil armstrong taking a small step.
Yeah, and over 1000 years ago some guy in a dessert wrote a 'holy' book, but thats not really a valid argument for the existance of god now is it?
nope, but it doesnt disproove it either.
but that isnt my point. My point is, that in the timespan of 100 years(heck even 10 years before armostrong went to the moon people didnt even think it was possible) technology went from "not possible" to done just saying, dont claim someting is impossible just because current technology is not capable of it
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:57:00 -
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Personally, I think the new weather balloons are really good at flying around.
I guess it could also be satellites flying around, or stars moving about in the universe. Or perhaps another example of optical illusions. Maybe birds when the sun hits them? Ice particles? Meteorites? Space junk falling into our atmosphere?
Yeah....
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