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Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:13:00 -
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CCP made some nullsec systems better than others. Much better. You can get systems with 6 sanctums, and other systems wont have any. This will make Nullsec capitals, where people are farming sanctums and waiting in line to be the next one to do them.
Carriers in EvE are made for PvE. In PvP a carrier will be eaten by a MoM pretty fast. and now a days all alliances have a MoM or a friend with a MoM. So before this patch, people bought carriers to do sanctums better. But now... CCP removed sanctums, and made DED sites better! Carriers cant enter DED sites. They are useless now. You might aswell sell your beloved Archon for a Paladin/CNR/Golem/ Nightmare. The population in mission hubs will increase. Nullsec population will be clustered around the good systems. Why would i fight for nullsec, when i can just stay in highsec and be happy forever.
Does CCP really want an EvE online community with everyone having a super pimped 5bil + BS, and they all cry when they die. All will be Highsec-Carebears. Why?
If you do not go carebear, you need an alt to mission, as your Secstatus will be ****** up in lowsec. You could ofc apply to Goons, AAA, NC and other big alliances and be a slave in their big fleets just so you can do those sanctums.
Use your resources on LAG fixing and Fix the god damn MoMs. Dreadnought are made for ONE thing. The one thing that is the most boring thing in whole EVE, POS Bashing. Who wants to invest in a billion isk expensive ship for POS bashing? Carriers, Good for POS repping, Nothing else. Can they rat? No. Can they PvP? Yah, but you'd get blobbed / hotdropped.
Awesome game we're all playing?
Write below what you think CCP should do.
Rhadit. |
Irani Firecam
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
266
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:18:00 -
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Titans used to be excellent at running sanctums too: warp in, doomsday, receive bacon. |
Violine Ming
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:18:00 -
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So you can't carebear in null any longer? |
BadGirlPosse
Order Of Lilith
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:23:00 -
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With all due respect the Devs have no vision for this game. Every patch and update for the past 3 years has been a reaction to something that came up in the game they hadn't planned for.
They are wagging the dog. |
Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:23:00 -
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Violine Ming wrote:So you can't carebear in null any longer?
You can rat belts and mine.
The real isk for capital pilots are in the sanctums. They are being clustered together in a few systems. |
SocomTedd
M. Corp M. PIRE
1
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:28:00 -
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I wont be able to afford to pay for 4 accounts now, time to downgrade to 1. GJ CCP you broke it again |
Messoroz
The Penetrators The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:28:00 -
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Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading. |
cyndrogen
TriMark Collective TriMark Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:30:00 -
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You are not paying attention their vision is EVE FOREVER.
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Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:31:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading.
I Have not heard about Macro carrier ratting yet. But we all know that its the Macro Ravens / drakes thats the real thing? |
Yuki Kulotsuki
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1456
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:32:00 -
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Back to mostly empty systems and diplomatic squabbles over ruined belt chains. |
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Cipher Jones
11
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:33:00 -
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Quote:If you do not go carebear, you need an alt to mission, as your Secstatus will be ****** up in lowsec.
If you do not go carebear, you also don't cry about nerfs, carebear. |
Karl Planck
Walt Disney Productions
5
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:33:00 -
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What do I think CCP should do? Grab a beer, seeing as it is the weekend, then look over all of these posts and take a drink every time a carebear sheds a tear. Thats my plan. I think I will be hospitalized by tomorrow morning.
What I think you should do. Cry Moar. Please, tell us about how unfair life is for you now.
And this got brought up multiple times in teh countless threads from earlier, but again, I ask. If it is now "impossible for the little guy to make isk" as everyone is saying (its not but lets just assume they are too ******** to make isk on their own) then why wouldn't an alliance fund CTA's With all the moon goo and other crap people get fat off of, what makes you think that alliances won't start funding ships to blob with when their sov goes under attack and their isk is threatened? |
Messoroz
The Penetrators The Laughing Men
9
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:35:00 -
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Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading. I Have not heard about Macro carrier ratting yet. But we all know that its the Macro Ravens / drakes thats the real thing?
Yes macro carriers exist in masse, they are usually set to either log the second someone enters system or pos up. Both can be logically exploited and killed.
Some examples I personally know of because I was involved directly in exploiting the horrible bots http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7839186 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9197082
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Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:If you do not go carebear, you need an alt to mission, as your Secstatus will be ****** up in lowsec. If you do not go carebear, you also don't cry about nerfs, carebear.
My alt is -10.
This Char is sitting in a carrier 24/7. Nothing i can do till they fix this. Ofc dock it somewhere and go emo to Highsec. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:36:00 -
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Oh please, the sanctum-mechanic was flawed from the beginning. You complain that everyone will be sitting in a 5Bill-Mission-BS, yes?
Well, with sanctums everyone was sitting in pimped carriers/moms. Now tell me, whats worse? EVE is enough "capital online" already, no need to make it so darn easy to get one.
Sanctums gave you easy 3x what a highsec mission runner makes. You complaining about missionrunners and wanting sanctums back is just...well, guess what. |
Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:38:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading. I Have not heard about Macro carrier ratting yet. But we all know that its the Macro Ravens / drakes thats the real thing? Yes macro carriers exist in masse, they are usually set to either log the second someone enters system or pos up. Both can be logically exploited and killed. Some examples I personally know of because I was involved directly in exploiting the horrible bots http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7839186http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9197082
But using carriers for Macro is more risky? It takes years for the carrier to warp. They are easier to catch. But CCP should then use their resources on stopping bots than real players in making isk. No?
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Crest Cutty
The Country Club Crest
1
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:38:00 -
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No sanctums spawning in -0.5....Anyone having similar issues?
Oh yeah, karl you must have missed when they nerfed alliance income (except for those who own tech moons) with the prom/dyspro nerf and sov costs.
Alliances already reimburse CTA's, it's the fun pvp (roams, 20ish man hac/log gangs) that 0.0 pilots need to be able to fund on their own and the revenue stream that did that just got nerfed to hell and back. Removing the ability to replace these ships without weeks of ratting is going to make people more risk averse, exactly opposite the stated goal of CCP (i.e. ships going boom drives the wheels of the eve economy) |
Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:39:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:Oh please, the sanctum-mechanic was flawed from the beginning. You complain that everyone will be sitting in a 5Bill-Mission-BS, yes?
Well, with sanctums everyone was sitting in pimped carriers/moms. Now tell me, whats worse? EVE is enough "capital online" already, no need to make it so darn easy to get one.
Sanctums gave you easy 3x what a highsec mission runner makes. You complaining about missionrunners and wanting sanctums back is just...well, guess what.
If they keep with no Sanctums. Boost the carrier PvP wise then. Atm its pretty much useless. |
Messoroz
The Penetrators The Laughing Men
9
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:42:00 -
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Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading. I Have not heard about Macro carrier ratting yet. But we all know that its the Macro Ravens / drakes thats the real thing? Yes macro carriers exist in masse, they are usually set to either log the second someone enters system or pos up. Both can be logically exploited and killed. Some examples I personally know of because I was involved directly in exploiting the horrible bots http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7839186http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9197082
But using carriers for Macro is more risky? It takes years for the carrier to warp. They are easier to catch. But CCP should then use their resources on stopping bots than real players in making isk. No?
Actually because of the speed at which the carriers log they are rarely noticed. They also rat aligned when doing the possing routine. These things make enough isk/hour to pretty much buy a few replacement carriers ever day.
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Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:45:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Rhadit wrote:Messoroz wrote:Someone whining about being unable to macro carrier. EXCELLENT
Carriers are still used in pve btw, it's called wormholes, where super caps haven't entered yet(in theory a very rare kind of wormhole has the mass to pass through moms but even then it can't leave that system ever). They are also used extensively in wh PVP when invading. I Have not heard about Macro carrier ratting yet. But we all know that its the Macro Ravens / drakes thats the real thing? Yes macro carriers exist in masse, they are usually set to either log the second someone enters system or pos up. Both can be logically exploited and killed. Some examples I personally know of because I was involved directly in exploiting the horrible bots http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7839186http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9197082
But using carriers for Macro is more risky? It takes years for the carrier to warp. They are easier to catch. But CCP should then use their resources on stopping bots than real players in making isk. No? Actually because of the speed at which the carriers log they are rarely noticed. They also rat aligned when doing the possing routine. These things make enough isk/hour to pretty much buy a few replacement carriers ever day.
I guess. But isnt it hard to deploy the carrier? You need cynos and all, without getting noticed. but wth. Macro-fags never stop... |
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
9
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:46:00 -
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So now the alliances have to admit after years of bitching about high sec carebears that they are no better. Bloody hypocrites. Aww, you can't use your carriers to solo anymore? What a shame. Now you can't play EVE in single player mode anymore, the thing you've been accusing high sec NPC corp dwellers of for years. I shall be waiting at the nearest low - null sec gate with a bottle for all your tears. |
Mos7Wan7ed
Hardcore Industries AAA Citizens
2
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:46:00 -
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I at all the people that said the anom changes won't create more PvP and that CCP has lost touch with reality.. It's totally geared for all sort of PvP now. All the forum whining proves it.
You have: People wanting systems with lower sec that don't have it. People grouping up in to systems with lower sec to get it. Griefers targeting PvEers in those lower sec systems.
How long to you think it will take before alliances fight to gain access to more lower sec systems?
As the Eve economist always says... PvP is good for the markets.
This patch delivers!!! |
SocomTedd
M. Corp M. PIRE
1
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Posted - 2011.04.08 17:57:00 -
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That is the first time that i have ever seen an AAA Citizen not running and hiding whenever "PV" is ended with a "P". |
Calfis
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
44
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Posted - 2011.04.08 18:17:00 -
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Rhadit wrote: Why would i fight for nullsec, when i can just stay in highsec and be happy forever.
But you don't fight for it, you're an AAA Citizen, you pay rent in order to carebear in 0.0 space.
Rhadit wrote: You could ofc apply to Goons, AAA, NC and other big alliances and be a slave in their big fleets just so you can do those sanctums.
Confirmed the above statement. You don't want to fight the the sanctums in a fleet but you will fight for them on the forums, amirite?
Everyone knew this was gunna screw up the renters, most of the bitching before the patch where from the 0.0 pve carebears who don't want to go back to high sec. Guess what, this just resets pve in 0.0 back to pre-Dominion, CCP gave small entities candy (upgradeable crap 0.0) that had a bad after taste (0.0 rental system) and now they are taking it back. Deal with it, either join a big alliance and HTFU or go back to mission running in high sec where ya came from anyway. |
Minsc
A.W.M
34
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Posted - 2011.04.08 18:18:00 -
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Rhadit wrote:CCP made some nullsec systems better than others. Much better. You can get systems with 6 sanctums, and other systems wont have any. This will make Nullsec capitals, where people are farming sanctums and waiting in line to be the next one to do them.
Carriers in EvE are made for PvE. In PvP a carrier will be eaten by a MoM pretty fast. and now a days all alliances have a MoM or a friend with a MoM. So before this patch, people bought carriers to do sanctums better. But now... CCP removed sanctums, and made DED sites better! Carriers cant enter DED sites. They are useless now. You might aswell sell your beloved Archon for a Paladin/CNR/Golem/ Nightmare. The population in mission hubs will increase. Nullsec population will be clustered around the good systems. Why would i fight for nullsec, when i can just stay in highsec and be happy forever.
Does CCP really want an EvE online community with everyone having a super pimped 5bil + BS, and they all cry when they die. All will be Highsec-Carebears. Why?
If you do not go carebear, you need an alt to mission, as your Secstatus will be ****** up in lowsec. You could ofc apply to Goons, AAA, NC and other big alliances and be a slave in their big fleets just so you can do those sanctums.
Use your resources on LAG fixing and Fix the god damn MoMs. Dreadnought are made for ONE thing. The one thing that is the most boring thing in whole EVE, POS Bashing. Who wants to invest in a billion isk expensive ship for POS bashing? Carriers, Good for POS repping, Nothing else. Can they rat? No. Can they PvP? Yah, but you'd get blobbed / hotdropped.
Awesome game we're all playing?
Write below what you think CCP should do.
Rhadit.
Carriers in EVE are made for PVE....wait.....what?
Since when? The reason I bought a carrier, and their original purpose is as a logistics and support ship for Fleet engagements, not ratting. If this change forces people to stop using carriers for pve then IMO it's WAI. Jesus 0.0bears are even more whiney and entitled than Hi-sec carebears. People had no problems making isk to fund 0.0 PVP before they introduced the system upgrades and even if you've lost sanctums you still have havens and all the other anoms to do. |
Gistatis Tribunus
The Unknown Bar and Pub
3
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Posted - 2011.04.08 19:04:00 -
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This is the best game-changer CCP has done all year. If anything it's a boost to more :goodfights: that can happen in nullsec. Let the whiners whine, if they can't handle the renter nerf then they can band together and fight someone for good space, or just go back to hisec and continue to swim in ISK. |
Deb Dukar
Peach Pit Corp Cassiopeia.
27
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Posted - 2011.04.08 19:16:00 -
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Gistatis Tribunus wrote:This is the best game-changer CCP has done all year. If anything it's a boost to more :goodfights: that can happen in nullsec. Let the whiners whine, if they can't handle the renter nerf then they can band together and fight someone for good space, or just go back to hisec and continue to swim in ISK. kinda agreed but how do smaller aliances get enough money to conquer other systems now without becoming a pet?
my main problem is: why would I want to rat in crappy 0.0 system when i can have it more valuable in highsec? doesnt make any sense for me. its basicly boosting bigger aliances and ruining or "petting" smaller ones.
soon it will look like the china servers here. 2 big alliances and thats it. |
for thelulz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.04.08 19:23:00 -
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Mos7Wan7ed wrote:I at all the people that said the anom changes won't create more PvP and that CCP has lost touch with reality.. It's totally geared for all sort of PvP now. All the forum whining proves it.
An AAA Citizens member talking about PvP?
Oh man.
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Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.04.08 19:58:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Rhadit wrote: Why would i fight for nullsec, when i can just stay in highsec and be happy forever. But you don't fight for it, you're an AAA Citizen, you pay rent in order to carebear in 0.0 space. Rhadit wrote: You could ofc apply to Goons, AAA, NC and other big alliances and be a slave in their big fleets just so you can do those sanctums.
Confirmed the above statement. You don't want to fight the the sanctums in a fleet but you will fight for them on the forums, amirite? Everyone knew this was gunna screw up the renters, most of the bitching before the patch where from the 0.0 pve carebears who don't want to go back to high sec. Guess what, this just resets pve in 0.0 back to pre-Dominion, CCP gave small entities candy (upgradeable crap 0.0) that had a bad after taste (0.0 rental system) and now they are taking it back. Deal with it, either join a big alliance and HTFU or go back to mission running in high sec where ya came from anyway.
I dont want to fight for it, cos my time in IT showed me how boring CTAs are. Once in a while, CTA's are fun, but like 5 times a week just aint fun. And im more on my Pirate alt than on this char... I cant do much pirating in lowsec if i have to keep up with CTAs? |
Rhadit
Forces Of Chaos AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2011.04.08 20:00:00 -
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Minsc wrote:Rhadit wrote:CCP made some nullsec systems better than others. Much better. You can get systems with 6 sanctums, and other systems wont have any. This will make Nullsec capitals, where people are farming sanctums and waiting in line to be the next one to do them.
Carriers in EvE are made for PvE. In PvP a carrier will be eaten by a MoM pretty fast. and now a days all alliances have a MoM or a friend with a MoM. So before this patch, people bought carriers to do sanctums better. But now... CCP removed sanctums, and made DED sites better! Carriers cant enter DED sites. They are useless now. You might aswell sell your beloved Archon for a Paladin/CNR/Golem/ Nightmare. The population in mission hubs will increase. Nullsec population will be clustered around the good systems. Why would i fight for nullsec, when i can just stay in highsec and be happy forever.
Does CCP really want an EvE online community with everyone having a super pimped 5bil + BS, and they all cry when they die. All will be Highsec-Carebears. Why?
If you do not go carebear, you need an alt to mission, as your Secstatus will be ****** up in lowsec. You could ofc apply to Goons, AAA, NC and other big alliances and be a slave in their big fleets just so you can do those sanctums.
Use your resources on LAG fixing and Fix the god damn MoMs. Dreadnought are made for ONE thing. The one thing that is the most boring thing in whole EVE, POS Bashing. Who wants to invest in a billion isk expensive ship for POS bashing? Carriers, Good for POS repping, Nothing else. Can they rat? No. Can they PvP? Yah, but you'd get blobbed / hotdropped.
Awesome game we're all playing?
Write below what you think CCP should do.
Rhadit. Carriers in EVE are made for PVE....wait.....what? Since when? The reason I bought a carrier, and their original purpose is as a logistics and support ship for Fleet engagements, not ratting. If this change forces people to stop using carriers for pve then IMO it's WAI. Jesus 0.0bears are even more whiney and entitled than Hi-sec carebears. People had no problems making isk to fund 0.0 PVP before they introduced the system upgrades and even if you've lost sanctums you still have havens and all the other anoms to do.
I know you can PvP with carriers, but so many people have MoMs now. If you field carriers too often, eventually you'll be hotdropped by MoMs / carriers.
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