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Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.09.04 22:36:00 - [1] http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/09/04/1188783237185.html?s_rid=theage:top5 I read this article this morning and found it really disturbing. It seems every month there is a new 'mental illness.' Suddenly ADHD is no longer a childhood 'disease' but one that affects adults as well. Bipolar is now no longer distinguishable from manic depression. Every second person I know has or does take the likes of Zoloft. While I am massively disturbed by the drug companies efforts to increase their market, I am even more disturbed by the psychosis that society seems so easily to be willing to fall into, believing it has neither the mechanisms for self help, and that life without the highs and lows is an acceptable way of existence. I am really interested to know peoples thoughts on this ...
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.04 22:51:00 - [2] BUNCH OF CRAP! It's the liberalÆs fault I tell you... Then they want to force me to pay for universal health care to pay for all these idiots for getting diagnosed by idiots, and getting them hooked on drugs... CRAP and IDIOTS! I'm really getting sick and tired of all the losers in the world blaming people like me for not being a loser, and expecting me to pay their way through their miserable lives... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.04 23:04:00 - [3] Darkmatter just didn't open pandora's box, he tore the thing to pieces. This thread will be on fire in seconds. As to the topic. People are idiots. Everytime I find one of those people who believe they have a illness or you list some side effects and they magically start getting them, I just wanna hand em a book of diseases and let em go to town. And nowadays it seems like everyone has ADD or ADHD and we toss ritalin around like candy. Personally I was happy when my dad told em to take me off the junk. Then you do have the drug companies trying to make a quick buck with their sugar pills. You can increase your package or lose weight without excercise and eat all you want or you may suddenly get PMDD instead of PMS which for some reason nobody knows what the hell it even is. Oh well. I personally don't believe in pills and I refuse to see a physician unless I'm crawling into the ER. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Choralone Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.04 23:44:00 - [4] Bipolar disorder and manic depression have always been the same thing: two different terms applied to the same illness. And trust me, it doesn't mean one is "moody." (Note that the article uses the adjective "extreme.") It's a serious mental illness, and contrary to your conclusion, a bipolar person is all too ready to believe that he doesn't need medication.
Kysumi Tsun	Posted - 2007.09.05 01:33:00 - [5] Remember kids...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.09.05 01:37:00 - [6] Burn the benifits bandits!!. Here the uk people just sit around and get their ú200 a week or whatever for doing ** all. Seriously they should scrap the system, if u cant work then u dont deserve to be here living in a house watching our crap tv. Originally by:** SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:01:00 - [7] The majorty of mental health services are pretty much borked. GP can only do so much and imho, most of the time their diagnosis can be pretty damn bad. Fortunately a lot of UK GP's have stopped giving drugs and are now reffering peeps to various specialists. I have been on a few antiodepressants and they are quite unpleasant to say the least. It's quite sad that the actual cause hasn't been sought after as much as the temporary cures. Surely something is painfully wrong somewhere, what can be causing so many people to get like this. Is it poor diangosis, dietary, social, environmental or is the human machine just borked atm?. Mental health is a very misunderstood, take Captaian hudson view for instance. I have clinical deppression, have a job, don't claim benefits and don't sit on my arse all day watching crap TV. I would say those kind of people just don't wwant a job and I very much doubt they get ú200 a week. Granted this could be tongue and cheek and all. I wish everyone on this planet could go through a good few years of their life experiencing the soul crippling joys of depression. Most of my fammily are absolutely clueless about it giving it the good old "what have you got to be derpessed about" line. If you have never experienced it, and I don't mean feeling sad because you lost your pet hampster, then I would suggest you keep your ignorant comments to yourself. I doubt that will happen though
Ademaro Imre X-PACT	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Locus Bey http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/09/04/1188783237185.html?s_rid=theage:top5 I read this article this morning and found it really disturbing. It seems every month there is a new 'mental illness.' Suddenly ADHD is no longer a childhood 'disease' but one that affects adults as well. Bipolar is now no longer distinguishable from manic depression. Every second person I know has or does take the likes of Zoloft. While I am massively disturbed by the drug companies efforts to increase their market, I am even more disturbed by the psychosis that society seems so easily to be willing to fall into, believing it has neither the mechanisms for self help, and that life without the highs and lows is an acceptable way of existence. I am really interested to know peoples thoughts on this ... I counted the disorder percentages up from this one website, and this website by no means, lists all disorders. This site just has a list of mental disorders. If you count the percentages up, that this organization purports to be if the US population, its 98.7% of the population has at any one time a mental disorder. I am sure numbers like these can bne found for all nations. And of course, all of these number are more than likely highly exaggerated in order to obtain funding grants. I heard somewhere that an organizatiuon actually did count all the numbers up claims by different groups and found out that every adult was purported to have three disorders at at one time. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/numbers.cfm
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:39:00 - [9] I have Acute Anxiety Disorder, and frankly some of the responses in this thread are downright sickening. The old fashioned view in regards to mental illness is still alive and kicking, it seems. Of course, the system is borked as a whole. It allows people with clearly nothing wrong with them to suck up benefits, but it also doesn't give people with life halting mental illness the treatment and support they need. The rise in such diagnosis is due in part to simply that modern society and it's demands are having a bigger impact on more people than it used to. Some people really need help, and neither the fakers nor most people's ignorant attitude towards mental illness is helping things.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:53:00 - [10] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 05/09/2007 05:57:24 Meh. The language in that article is very wishy washy. SOME experts. CRITICS say. Diagnosis is up, but is it a reasonable assumption that all or even a majority of those cases are misdiagnosed? Is a disease being new or diagnosed more the same thing as it not existing? Once upon a time most people would have said the same about vaccination. Astonishingly some people still do. Brits on this board will probably know what I am talking about on that last one. Pretty much everybody else won't. Not saying I entirely disagree with the point, just saying be a little critical about what you're reading. Mind you, "conspiracy" is a slight leap of faith there You've actually got that same potential conflict of interest more or less throughout medicine. Next time you're in a Doctor's office have a look at all the neat free stuff they get off drug company reps. Almost any given condition you are prescribed medicine for, there's a drug company somewhere profiting. Is my Asthma a conspiracy by the drugs companies? All that said, yes I do think they are increasingly medicalising things which may at one point have just been part of the human experience. I am also fairly dubious of how they appear to diagnose these things. I think there's too many grey areas where a lot of these things are concerned. I'd really want to know more about how the symptoms in the DSM IV were applied when deciding whether or not to subscribe before really having an opinion though.

Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:36:00 - [11] A poster mentioned Asthma. Have you heard of the Buteyko Breathing method? Astounding drug free method for dealing with Asthma. But will you see it touted by your GP or Government Health Department? I think not. While my heart goes out to those who do suffer from mental illness, I posted as I wonder where the line is? As I mentioned in my earlier post, every 2nd person I know takes something or other to alleviate depression these days. The soma inducing nature of these substances is a deplorable option imo to answer the individual and societal ills that seem to be decending like a plague. So I guess my question(s) are: Are we seeing in these kind of figures, something that has always been there, yet ignored? Or are we falling apart at the seams? Is this substance taking culture of ours the answer to our 'ills'? I.E., will science give us better and better drugs to deal with modern life? Is depression and its cohorts a disease? an illness? a chemical imbalance? a psychological imbalance? lack of sel awareness? unhappiness?
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:42:00 - [12] lol.... first it was the litigation decade 80s then it was the psychologists decade 90s now it's the farmaceutical decade 00s Sue everyone I don't like Get professional help everytime I have a bad day Pop a pill in my kid because he makes so much noise when I'm watching oprah Does anyone see a trend for moving responsibility away from the individual? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:57:00 - [13] Is this gonna turn into another 'i am healthy therefor i wont pay for your disability' thread? The last one nearly made me lose faith in humanity. I have ADHD and migraine btw, thank you very much.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.05 18:12:00 - [14] Originally by: DarkMatter BUNCH OF CRAP! It's the liberalÆs fault I tell you... Then they want to force me to pay for universal health care to pay for all these idiots for getting diagnosed by idiots, and getting them hooked on drugs... CRAP and IDIOTS! I'm really getting sick and tired of all the losers in the world blaming people like me for not being a loser, and expecting me to pay their way through their miserable lives... Paranoia much?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 18:35:00 - [15] For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure I think I should avoid posting in this thread. To summarize, I disagree. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Heidi Engineswat	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: DarkMatter BUNCH OF CRAP! It's the liberalÆs fault I tell you... Then they want to force me to pay for universal health care to pay for all these idiots for getting diagnosed by idiots, and getting them hooked on drugs... CRAP and IDIOTS! I'm really getting sick and tired of all the losers in the world blaming people like me for not being a loser, and expecting me to pay their way through their miserable lives... Paranoia much? nah he has bursts of irrational anger. The give you prozac for that... hey you up there!!! hit your kids much??

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