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Mo'Chuisle
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.09.05 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mo''Chuisle on 06/09/2007 00:00:07
Let's recapitulate the facts:
1) The whole incident happened way before Kaaii joined my corp and ExE.
2) Kaaii made a mistake setting up a contract, you decided to profit from it.
3) When asked to do the right thing and give the stuff back/compensate for it you didn't want to. That's your right, just as much as Kaaii can retaliate however she sees fit. You are writing in this thread that you offering half of it now/have been offering half of it after ignoring the problem for a while at first.
4) Now that the merc contract is rolling, Kaaii has joined ExE. You guys have grandfathered standings, and therefore think that if we want to live up to your standards of "honour" we need to call back the mercs or boot Kaaii from the corporation.
Well, there's a problem with your argumentation. If you want to appeal to standings in this matter, they have to go both ways. The moment you wrote about "honour" between blues you should have made sure first that you live up to your own standards and offered full compensation. Instead you write in this thread that you offer half of it. And the guy responsible in the first place still says "lol I was drunk I am not sure what happened it got lost somehow".
Your post then includes the usual goodies:
Threatening our alliance: "put his whole alliance in the firing line". That's very funny indeed, you are welcome to do the 50 jumps come gank us. The two or three people you see up in aridia from time to time are just on holidays, they are not our complete alliance. Constantly insulting your opponent ("addict", "like an adult learn some patience") also usually leads to good results...
Anyways, you had me at "honour".
Here's what our honour compells me to say. Had Kaaii been in our alliance at the time of the event, we would have made fun of her in corp chat for making an easy mistake, told her "Hey, those guys are blue, they'll give you your stuff back" and then you'd either have done that or not. If you wouldn't have given it back, we'd removed the standings and ignored you otherwise, because we are not going to run 50 jumps for a single private contract error. Kaaii would have been free to spend as much of her own money on mercs though. If you'd given her the stuff back, we'd all been best friends foreverests.
As it stands now, there's still no offer on the table to really compensate Kaaii the full amount, so as far as we are concerned the Kaaii can go ahead. If you want to drag ExE into this, feel free to do so, you know where we live (hint: you can find us on the automatic influence map, down south). If you want to make a real offer instead, you can contact me.
Please all ExE pilots stop responding to this thread from now on.
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.06 00:06:00 -
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Ok thanks for the reply ill have to consult with arunna as it stands this is between us and kaaii and shall remain that way for the time being NEO pilots are still instructed not to engage EO members unless attacked first.
Ill let arunna and kaaii talk this over now. Repo see u guys in an hour looking forward to some fun
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Karinith
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.06 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains Ok thanks for the reply ill have to consult with arunna as it stands this is between us and kaaii and shall remain that way for the time being NEO pilots are still instructed not to engage EO members unless attacked first.
Ill let arunna and kaaii talk this over now. Repo see u guys in an hour looking forward to some fun
Personally, it scares me to see the client and target having some diplomacy action going on when the fighting hasn't even started yet . Hope you guys get it sorted out one way or another...but not before something dies tonight
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Arunna
5th Front enterprises New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.06 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Arunna on 06/09/2007 02:07:00 Not once did I say I have a issue with omega fleet, I did not want to get your corp involved.
The issue is that before Kaaii even contacted me they had started seeking mercs. Creating threads looking for mercs then threatening people in the first message is not the way to get results. How would you respond if a person out of the blue sent you a message saying they have started a thread on the forums looking for mercs to war dec your alliance unless you comply with their demands.
If they had contacted me and said they stuffed up with a contract can I return the ISK I would of had no issue it was only a piddle 64m. But when a person sends a messages saying they are going to war dec us in 1.5 days if we donĘt comply with the demands it rubs me the wrong way.
And the offer of 1/2 the isk was made about 3 days after the first message.
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Chasm Illyaki
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:38:00 -
[35]
havin fun yet?
What do you mean you are all out of Tech II Missles? Not a problem, I have plenty and I LOVE to share. |
Jezala
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chasm Illyaki havin fun yet?
Kill the forum smack please. Thanks.
Jez
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Chasm Illyaki
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:50:00 -
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my bad jez, won't happen again. apologies What do you mean you are all out of Tech II Missles? Not a problem, I have plenty and I LOVE to share. |
Gladiator Jonny
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:49:00 -
[38]
/me points
HaHa you got told off you got told off
bad chas.
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Rudy Metallo
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:14:00 -
[39]
Originally by: ollobrains
Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 05/09/2007 11:42:15
The answer you seek is here....
After repeated attempts to contact X1 and his CEO to make things right, a few mails were exchanged, a couple of shrugs and a oh well. As this was not to my liking I decided to line up a few merc corps, and see if your 38% efficiency can get any worse (gleaned from many kill boards), it should be an interesting few months...
Sometimes, its not about the money.....
Give'm hell Repro.
now you have come out of the woodwork from my understanding half the ISK was offered. U have also put in jeporday the saftey of youre alliance mates by youre actions, NEO currently has EO as light blue as per previous agreement. Youre CEO has been contacted by arunna, i have nothing to add pending discussions with youre corp leader. At this time NEO pilots are under orders not to engage EO pilots unless attacked. From what i understand we seek a solution to this , if nothing comes of it then further action may be intitated.
New Eve Order pilots at this time we are still under orders to attack the war targets planning will proceed. U will be advised if the situation changes
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.07 01:11:00 -
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got nothing to add to this atm one engagement we took some losses earlier. Will be a learning experience for our PVPers so the ball rolls on
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.07 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen they're like privateers, but without the experience
Excuse me.
I beg to differ. Repo are miles better than privateers.
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Carebears? Where?
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.07 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: ollobrains on 07/09/2007 06:54:30
Excuse me.
I beg to differ. Repo are miles better than privateers.
repo are doing well we have to do better.
as for kaaii well 64m 2 days ago, 314m yesterday today his demanding 3.5B to end the war. So kaaii who is youre main character. I have my suspicions just a little bit more intel gathering and digging and we will know. Why dont u do something useful and throw all these supposed mercs at us and disgard with the bluffing and carry on about some worthless contract - sounds like simple extortion and guys i dont think kaaii is his main character there is anotehr entity behind this facade and to be honest this looks like a organised extorition hit. Which ive made my viewpoint clear that ive voted to decline youre offer up it to something like 7B maybe 15B and we might see
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.07 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: WraithFire
Originally by: Sasha Evergreen they're like privateers, but without the experience
Excuse me.
I beg to differ. Repo are miles better than privateers.
In terms of relative performance dont forget i was in privateers for a brief period, repo are more effective at what they do - i expect this to be a 3 week contract maybe kaaii might waste more funds ( interesting what a few hundred US$$ of GTCs can do :)
Maybe even some more merc corps , what will be will be
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Jezala
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains Edited by: ollobrains on 07/09/2007 06:54:30
as for kaaii well 64m 2 days ago, 314m yesterday today his demanding 3.5B to end the war. So kaaii who is youre main character. I have my suspicions just a little bit more intel gathering and digging and we will know. Why dont u do something useful and throw all these supposed mercs at us and disgard with the bluffing and carry on about some worthless contract - sounds like simple extortion and guys i dont think kaaii is his main character there is anotehr entity behind this facade and to be honest this looks like a organised extorition hit. Which ive made my viewpoint clear that ive voted to decline youre offer up it to something like 7B maybe 15B and we might see
This is getting interestings...
/emote points to Chasm Get me some popcorn with butter....none of that microwave crap either, that stuff will kill you.
On with the show!
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:48:00 -
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Hey,
You Repo guys better not let this distract you form Repo V Rak II ( I believe you call it "Kill Party II")
We need to get some pride back after last time.
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Jezala
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:57:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Jezala on 07/09/2007 09:00:36
Originally by: Freddy Jnr Hey,
You Repo guys better not let this distract you form Repo V Rak II ( I believe you call it "Kill Party II")
We need to get some pride back after last time.
It wasn't me that booked contracts for this week. No worries though, I expect this weekend to be quite entertaining for the both of us.
As for why the campaign is called "Kill Party II", well I wanted to link the new campaign with the older one hence the "II" addition. Unfortunately I wasn't the one who named the first campaign as "Kill Party". So long story short, none of us were creative enough to find a fitting campaign name.
btw, it wasn't that bad for you guys during the last war. You guys won 1 of the 3 large engagements and killed some pretty expensive toys while you were at it.
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 09:16:00 -
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Yeah it was a good war!
Recently we've had a LOAD of wardecs from corps who just sit in the station and retract after a week. Wars like "Kill Party" are the reasons people want to be in PvP corps. A true battle of good vs evil.
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gabrial1
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Freddy Jnr Yeah it was a good war!
Recently we've had a LOAD of wardecs from corps who just sit in the station and retract after a week. Wars like "Kill Party" are the reasons people want to be in PvP corps. A true battle of good vs evil.
Does that make us the good guys for once? Now theres a new concept.
NEO Guys you seem like a decent bunch so I hope for some good fights and a memorable war.
si vis pacem, para bellum
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 09:37:00 -
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Quote: Does that make us the good guys for once?
I'm guessing you guys will have the majority of neutrals on your side for this one!
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Frisky Minx
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Posted - 2007.09.07 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains Edited by: ollobrains on 07/09/2007 06:54:30
Excuse me.
I beg to differ. Repo are miles better than privateers.
repo are doing well we have to do better.
as for kaaii well 64m 2 days ago, 314m yesterday today his demanding 3.5B to end the war. So kaaii who is youre main character. I have my suspicions just a little bit more intel gathering and digging and we will know. Why dont u do something useful and throw all these supposed mercs at us and disgard with the bluffing and carry on about some worthless contract - sounds like simple extortion and guys i dont think kaaii is his main character there is anotehr entity behind this facade and to be honest this looks like a organised extorition hit. Which ive made my viewpoint clear that ive voted to decline youre offer up it to something like 7B maybe 15B and we might see
Wow, just wow.
I checked Repo killboard on a whim (I follow alot of mercs stats) and I see there has been 41 reported kills of neo while you all have taken 1 thorax. Looking at the isks lost, thats over 870mil in damage done. As kaaii asked for what, 314m in the post, and you all seemed not to be intrested I can't help but think you all are either very very rich, or something else.
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 13:15:00 -
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Quote: I checked Repo killboard on a whim (I follow alot of mercs stats) and I see there has been 41 reported kills of neo while you all have taken 1 thorax. Looking at the isks lost, thats over 870mil in damage done. As kaaii asked for what, 314m in the post, and you all seemed not to be intrested I can't help but think you all are either very very rich, or something else.
WOW! I am no longer embarassed by RAK's previous display.
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gabrial1
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: gabrial1 on 07/09/2007 14:50:31
Originally by: Freddy Jnr
Quote: I checked Repo killboard on a whim (I follow alot of mercs stats) and I see there has been 41 reported kills of neo while you all have taken 1 thorax. Looking at the isks lost, thats over 870mil in damage done. As kaaii asked for what, 314m in the post, and you all seemed not to be intrested I can't help but think you all are either very very rich, or something else.
WOW! I am no longer embarassed by RAK's previous display.
For something that will make you feel even better about yourself, check our campaign against KOS. After we retracted someone from KOS started a thread declareing that we retracted because they were beating us to badly.
si vis pacem, para bellum
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Hyakuchan
Hyakucorp
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 07/09/2007 16:04:52 Fault for pricing mistakes lies with the person doing the pricing, there is not a single court in a first world nation that will rule otherwise unless there was small print involved.
The morality of not taking advantage of incompetence is irrelevant. Loss is a consequence of ignorance; were there no consequence there would be no reason for people to pay attention. -------------------------------------------------- FRIGATS Coalition FREGE-Red-IAC-Goon-AAA-Tau-Southerncross
"We gonna beat you with frigats." |
Chasm Illyaki
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:25:00 -
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1: jez, we are all out of the good popcorn. blame johnny and dodd. 2: ollo, maybe i didn't read it right, are you inferring that kaaii is part of repo? (alt) i take offense to that. had that been one of our alts (the few that exist) there would have been no negotiations, and no threads about askin for mercs for help. 3: anybody got some taquitos?
What do you mean you are all out of Tech II Missles? Not a problem, I have plenty and I LOVE to share. |
Brolo
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Posted - 2007.09.07 16:57:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Brolo on 07/09/2007 16:59:50
Originally by: Chasm Illyaki 1: jez, we are all out of the good popcorn. blame johnny and dodd.
Hmm.. This is our warthread! Please keep ya other wars outa here!
Quote: 2: ollo, maybe i didn't read it right, are you inferring that kaaii is part of repo? (alt) i take offense to that. had that been one of our alts (the few that exist) there would have been no negotiations, and no threads about askin for mercs for help.
Far for me to presume to speak for the boss, but we're a bit puzzled about all this fuss over a 60m or so mistake Kaaii made. But she may be an alt. Take a look at this thread for some insight into her personality-
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=588362
Post 97 says=
Quote: While massive damage may have a army of alts to get around game mechanics, (ever use your alts to roam free, selling your "gains" in empire cause you can't go yourself?) I did not have the luxury. I suppose I could have hired some though, now that I think about it, its just that I didn't. Just a small corp of a few alts with mains out in the 0.0s. Hardly some mega operation pumping out caps every day. In fact, in our best month we did maybe 10 or so. some months we didn't even sell two. I think most of we did make went to our mains or friends of mains.
but post 74 asks someone to post with their main <shrug>. It only matters for target selection.
I don't think any of us have any problems with Repo, as long as things stay honourable.. And at least we spell your corp name right. Repro? who are they? Perhaps she thinks you're doing her copying?
Some of us are wondering if now she's lost the hi-sec LSAA business, she's thinking extortion/blackmail is a more profitable sideline. I'm keeping an open mind and seeing this as a bit of sponsored PvP training. Cheaper than taking one of those courses :)
Also to answer Frisky's questions, yes & we're wondering the same thing. But one cannot give in to blackmail or extortion as it only encourages others to try the same trick. I like to think that honour is more important than ego (unless in Ratbags, then alchohol tolerance is needed as well)
As for losses, well.. If you calculate average losses based on ship value then I think we're only about 5m or so behind, and it's only just started..
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Magus Nebula
Caldari Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brolo Edited by: Brolo on 07/09/2007 16:59:50
As for losses, well.. If you calculate average losses based on ship value then I think we're only about 5m or so behind, and it's only just started..
Well i know we've killed at least one BS and only thing we've lost so far is a cruiser. Might wanna rework that math m8. but yes there its only just started, looking forward to more figtin!
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Magus Nebula
Caldari Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Frisky Minx
Originally by: ollobrains Edited by: ollobrains on 07/09/2007 06:54:30
Excuse me.
I beg to differ. Repo are miles better than privateers.
repo are doing well we have to do better.
as for kaaii well 64m 2 days ago, 314m yesterday today his demanding 3.5B to end the war. So kaaii who is youre main character. I have my suspicions just a little bit more intel gathering and digging and we will know. Why dont u do something useful and throw all these supposed mercs at us and disgard with the bluffing and carry on about some worthless contract - sounds like simple extortion and guys i dont think kaaii is his main character there is anotehr entity behind this facade and to be honest this looks like a organised extorition hit. Which ive made my viewpoint clear that ive voted to decline youre offer up it to something like 7B maybe 15B and we might see
Wow, just wow.
I checked Repo killboard on a whim (I follow alot of mercs stats) and I see there has been 41 reported kills of neo while you all have taken 1 thorax. Looking at the isks lost, thats over 870mil in damage done. As kaaii asked for what, 314m in the post, and you all seemed not to be intrested I can't help but think you all are either very very rich, or something else.
Oh god no. Most of us aren't rich at all. We go by the rule "Only take what you can afford to lose" and "We dont mind losing ships at all" (And i DEFINATELY fall under the latter of the 2 ). But since you brought it up, If anyone would like to contribute to the "Help Magus Nebula get donations for more A$$-Whooping fund", please feel free to drop in a lil iskies to my wallet!!! (There should be eve food stamps)
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Jezala
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Magus Nebula
Oh god no. Most of us aren't rich at all. We go by the rule "Only take what you can afford to lose" and "We dont mind losing ships at all" (And i DEFINATELY fall under the latter of the 2 ). But since you brought it up, If anyone would like to contribute to the "Help Magus Nebula get donations for more A$$-Whooping fund", please feel free to drop in a lil iskies to my wallet!!! (There should be eve food stamps)
I think he was referring to NEO being rich, not us.
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.07 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Chasm Illyaki 1: jez, we are all out of the good popcorn. blame johnny and dodd. 2: ollo, maybe i didn't read it right, are you inferring that kaaii is part of repo? (alt) i take offense to that. had that been one of our alts (the few that exist) there would have been no negotiations, and no threads about askin for mercs for help. 3: anybody got some taquitos?
no no i dont think his repo, i do however have my suspicions he could be an alt of someone else from NEOs past that might have a grudge i cant name this person at the moment, waiting to see if kaaii has anything else to say on the matter first.
SO no his main isnt in repo for the public record but i do suspect somewhere else
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ollobrains
Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.07 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jezala
Originally by: Magus Nebula
Oh god no. Most of us aren't rich at all. We go by the rule "Only take what you can afford to lose" and "We dont mind losing ships at all" (And i DEFINATELY fall under the latter of the 2 ). But since you brought it up, If anyone would like to contribute to the "Help Magus Nebula get donations for more A$$-Whooping fund", please feel free to drop in a lil iskies to my wallet!!! (There should be eve food stamps)
I think he was referring to NEO being rich, not us.
wouldnt say rich but each engagement is a learning experience and hopefully they will be smarter more organised and get the job done this weekend
Racketeers i guess if u wanna really see repo around head up to aridia yeah i know its low sec and some of the other locals might shoot u but u will find lots of repo up here may as well have fun in the one place - we might even get us some 3 way action
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