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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:54:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 06:11:53 I know this is politics in a way, but I also feel its quite important to let people know how the media really works in the USA. Drums of War Get ready for more fear tactics, brain washing stories telling you about how smart bombs will eliminate only the right people, how the Iranians are all fundamentalist evildoers, how they hate America and so on. The real reason for the wars --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:40:00 - [2] If you want an EXCELLENT and rather scary view on how the White House ran the media leading up to the second Iraq War I HIGHLY recommend you watch Bill Moyer's Journal: Buying the War. It is an hour+ long feature so no quick sound bite stuff here but a great examination on how thoroughly the media failed us. For a somewhat more humorous yet at the same time serious you might find Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire worth watching where he busts these guys for their BS (14 minutes long).
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:48:00 - [3] We all know Iran's next.... next topic! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 06:53:35 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h If you want an EXCELLENT and rather scary view on how the White House ran the media leading up to the second Iraq War I HIGHLY recommend you watch Bill Moyer's Journal: Buying the War. It is an hour+ long feature so no quick sound bite stuff here but a great examination on how thoroughly the media failed us. Im going to watch it, thank you. And the media can only fail if you assume they are trying to report the truth. They dont even try. Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny We all know Iran's next.... next topic! I think you missed the point of the post. The media is not supposed to only tell the people what the government wants in a free country. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:55:00 - [5] IBTL and you forgot your tinfoil hat Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 06:11:53 I know this is politics in a way, but I also feel its quite important to let people know how the media really works in the USA. Drums of War Get ready for more fear tactics, brain washing stories telling you about how smart bombs will eliminate only the right people, how the Iranians are all fundamentalist evildoers, how they hate America and so on. The real reason for the wars Sorry I did not read/view your links more closely. I thought you were serious. That stuff is crap. Especially the second link which has tinfoil hattery plastered all over it. There are PLENTY of intellectually honest ways you can point out some very serious and glaring flaws that have cropped up the past 7 years. No need to bring crap like Satanism into it. Indeed I think it does the discussion a disservice since it is an immediate turn off to most people with a few brain cells and kills serious debate on the issues.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Orion Eridanus IBTL and you forgot your tinfoil hat I know it will get locked. I might even get a forum warning. So why do I do it? --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 07:03:45 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h There are PLENTY of intellectually honest ways you can point out some very serious and glaring flaws that have cropped up the past 7 years. No need to bring crap like Satanism into it. Indeed I think it does the discussion a disservice since it is an immediate turn off to most people with a few brain cells and kills serious debate on the issues. Yes, dont buy into that satanism crap. Its just a small part of it and I reacted the same way you do when I saw it. But the rest of the video is pretty good. I replaced the video with the one you linked now actually. Its a lot better. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:04:00 - [9] Well, hopefully I'll be on the front in Iran... though I get out of the USMC in June, I'll be sticking around for our deployment in Dec of 2008, and who knows... Iran is right next door At least they'll give us a good head on fight... IBTL Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well, hopefully I'll be on the front in Iran... though I get out of the USMC in June, I'll be sticking around for our deployment in Dec of 2008, and who knows... Iran is right next door At least they'll give us a good head on fight... IBTL Semper Fi, I'll be joining you Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well, hopefully I'll be on the front in Iran... though I get out of the USMC in June, I'll be sticking around for our deployment in Dec of 2008, and who knows... Iran is right next door At least they'll give us a good head on fight... IBTL Semper Fi, I'll be joining you You guys actually believe you are doing something good? Or dont you care about the why? --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:18:00 - [12] Actually Jim I did. During my deployment to Afghanistan I assisted with giving out humanitarian aid many times, I also personally screen approximately 6,000 Afghans to recieve medical aid in the middle of hostile territory for almost 1 month straight. Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 07:26:53 Originally by: Orion Eridanus Actually Jim I did. During my deployment to Afghanistan I assisted with giving out humanitarian aid many times, I also personally screen approximately 6,000 Afghans to recieve medical aid in the middle of hostile territory for almost 1 month straight. Yes, but several hundred thousand people have been killed. Im sure you have a good heart like most Americans, but your leaders are just exploiting it for their own purposes. I mean seriously, how much do you know about the nation of Iraq? All you know is that they are dangerous, with one single source of information: your president and your media. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:26:00 - [14] oh well.... everyone, pack up your POS and move out of the Iran constellation, bob is coming! Anyone read about the military strategy? Every missile the persian fleet is equipped with has been pre-sighted. The plan is to wipe out the entire Iran military in 3 days using nothing but airstrikes and cruise missiles. usa = caldari :-) ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 07:29:05 Originally by: Cornucopian Anyone read about the military strategy? Every missile the persian fleet is equipped with has been pre-sighted. The plan is to wipe out the entire Iran military in 3 days using nothing but airstrikes and cruise missiles. usa = caldari :-) Yes I did. And its disgusting that you guys can even joke about it. These are real human beings like you and me. You act like its some kind of computer game. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Kastar Memphis Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well, hopefully I'll be on the front in Iran... though I get out of the USMC in June, I'll be sticking around for our deployment in Dec of 2008, and who knows... Iran is right next door At least they'll give us a good head on fight... IBTL Semper Fi, I'll be joining you Reading this knocked me off my desk... And then people ask why the world is going the wrong way. -----------------------------------------------
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:35:00 - [17] no no no no no. It was a minor cynicism. Dont tell me i'm acting like it's just a PC game. I know damn well it's not jim: the fact of the matter is that the citizens of the US are the only ones empowered to stop such things. The US won't pay heed to any other country, and the only way to stop such atrocities is when the US citizens stand up and deny their government such baseless reasons to go to war. Going into Iran will only lead to more and more hatred towards the west. Children in palestina are taught that martyrdom is FTW from day ONE, and that blowing yourself up in Israel is awesome. The same thing is happening now towards the west. Did you see the cartoon with the jihad mickeymouse? In the final episode he becomes a martyr for the Jihad..... and it is a kiddy cartoon. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Cornucopian no no no no no. It was a minor cynicism. Dont tell me i'm acting like it's just a PC game. I know damn well it's not jim: the fact of the matter is that the citizens of the US are the only ones empowered to stop such things. The US won't pay heed to any other country, and the only way to stop such atrocities is when the US citizens stand up and deny their government such baseless reasons to go to war. Going into Iran will only lead to more and more hatred towards the west. Children in palestina are taught that martyrdom is FTW from day ONE, and that blowing yourself up in Israel is awesome. The same thing is happening now towards the west. Did you see the cartoon with the jihad mickeymouse? In the final episode he becomes a martyr for the Jihad..... and it is a kiddy cartoon. I know, im trying to open peoples eyes for what is going on. But I kind of feel powerless, posting stuff in a forum for a computer game. Its the only way I know to try and influence ordinary people in the USA. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Kastar Originally by: Orion Eridanus Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well, hopefully I'll be on the front in Iran... though I get out of the USMC in June, I'll be sticking around for our deployment in Dec of 2008, and who knows... Iran is right next door At least they'll give us a good head on fight... IBTL Semper Fi, I'll be joining you Reading this knocked me off my desk... And then people ask why the world is going the wrong way. I would take a head on fight any day over drivng around a corner and wondering if an IED is gonna blow my vehicle off a cliff into a river. Which do you prefer, I obviously would take the one where I have the chance to fight back. Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:48:00 - [20] If you feel that strongly about it, go stand at ground zero on 9/11 : the guys from loose change and zeitgeist are having a big rally I think..... it's the 60s all over again! Seriously, does anyone see the start of the 60s here people? I mean, wars here and wars there, and slowly, but surely, public opposition to the governments agenda of war is rising... it REALLY is the 60s again. Wasn't it Eisenhower who said that the greatest task of the US citizen was to guard against the military industrial complex of the US? I would say, keep informing people Jim, but stay the HELL away from tinfoil hattery: give people smart, intellectual URLs to articles, intelligent repertoire. And when they start to sway your way, sit them down with loose change or zeitgeist. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Orion Eridanus I would take a head on fight any day over drivng around a corner and wondering if an IED is gonna blow my vehicle off a cliff into a river. Which do you prefer, I obviously would take the one where I have the chance to fight back. Funny you should say "fight back". You guys invaded their country. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Orion Eridanus I would take a head on fight any day over drivng around a corner and wondering if an IED is gonna blow my vehicle off a cliff into a river. Which do you prefer, I obviously would take the one where I have the chance to fight back. Funny you should say "fight back". You guys invaded their country. Funny that most of the insurgents we fought were from chechnya, iran and pakistan Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:00:00 - [23] If the US opens up the Iran front, within a year there will be a forced retreat of American soldiers from the Middle East back to the US. This will be due to a huge spike in soldier deaths as the wrath of the Middle East and Arabia descends upon them, in the form of increased bombings, etc. The end of any western control of the Middle East for decades. (Not that they control anything there atm.) Not a smart move. My only question at that point would be is it China or Russia that gains control of the oil?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Cornucopian Wasn't it Eisenhower who said that the greatest task of the US citizen was to guard against the military industrial complex of the US? I'd say this is EXACTLY what US citizens have not done. There used to be a sense of involvement with your community and the country at large. A sense that you had a duty as a citizen to look out for the country. Today we see much more of the "Me" generation. It is no longer what we can do for our country but what our country can do for me. The result is painfully obvious. The industrial complex has never been so monolithic as it is today. Special interest groups own the government. Citizen rights have been curtailed in many, frightening ways. Rights we assumed were enshrined in the Constitution no less have been eroded. It is shocking and if Americans bothered to pay attention a bit more they would be scared. They should be scared.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Locus Bey If the US opens up the Iran front, within a year there will be a forced retreat of American soldiers from the Middle East back to the US. This will be due to a huge spike in soldier deaths as the wrath of the Middle East and Arabia descends upon them, in the form of increased bombings, etc. Middle Eastern countries lack any ability to inflict any kind of serious damage upon the US military. They are thoroughly outclassed. What damage they inflict is a slow erosion of US will to want to be bothered to stick around and frankly they will win that fight. Causing a few hundred deaths here and there via roadside bombs or whatever however does not have any discernible impact upon US military effectiveness. Frankly Iran far more than Iraq deserves a good smack down. Of the two countries Iran has proven itself far more dangerous. They are THE largest state sponsor of terrorism. Their President has publicly stated their desire to wipe Israel off the map and several other juicy bits about America along similar lines. They make no bones about having a nuclear program. Sadly one of the side effect of Bush's personal vendetta against Iraq is a serious erosion of support from the international community. Not saying they would have ever backed going after Iran but after Iraq they positively bend over backwards to ignore any issues and distance themselves from the US. Read your history and look up how well Appeasement worked for Chamberlain (former Prime Minister of Great Britain) prior to WWII.
Teh Hoodedclaw	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:53:00 - [26] Given the number of aircraftcarrier battle fleets the US has parked on Iran's doorstep it is only a matter of time before bush orders them in
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:55:00 - [27] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2007 08:55:09 Originally by: Teh Hoodedclaw Given the number of aircraftcarrier battle fleets the US has parked on Iran's doorstep it is only a matter of time before bush orders them in They just need a reason. I would not be very surprised if there was another "terrorist" attack in the USA soon. That would give them the perfect excuse to move in. Then again, they already used that on the 9/11 so maybe they will come up with something else this time. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:55:00 - [28] sigh WTF is up with this world..?

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:55:00 - [29] Political threads very rarely end well, so thats why we dont allow them. There are plenty of other forums and places on the internet where you can talk about this. click - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| mods@ccpgames.com ôWar is not the dreadful end to all things as mankind fears. Conflict brings balance to nature as it adapts, mutates, and transforms itself into something stronger than before. Mankind is the master of nature because we can choose those mutations on our own accord. We can accelerate the inevitable dominance of a species. Through war, we can make ourselves stronger at the time and place of our choosing. War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine.ö - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum, excerpt from a commencement speech to Paladin graduates of the Imperial Academy, 23215 AD

Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Teh Hoodedclaw Given the number of aircraftcarrier battle fleets the US has parked on Iran's doorstep it is only a matter of time before bush orders them in You cannot win a war with air power. This has been proven time and again even when the attacker has overwhelming air power and complete ownership of the skies (see Desert Storm Mk-I for a perfect example of this). If you just want to blow up a given installation that works (such as the Israeli's did to Iraq's Osirak Reactor) but to win a war you simply have to put people on the ground and a lot of them.

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