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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: 1Of9 we cant oublob anymore .. CCP nerf!!!
nooo we are blobed to hell NERF!!
nerf nerf nerf nerf
Those smilies pretty much sum up what i did when i saw the goon whines ^^
Allied forces strike coalition fleet, wrecking for toys thrown out of pram damage ^^ |
James Duar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER - drone collisions should be removed (launching 500 idle drones might not lag the server to death but add cpu usage as well)
CCP should probably do this one first and then see how much lag it gets rid of. I'd be willing to bet a lot more then any other change.
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Cmdr Sp0ck
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:59:00 -
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PATHETIC.
This is the only way i can describe the general Goonswarm community at this point in time. You loose your ability to win fights using the traditional "lag out the system" tactic and you whine on the forums like little children. Had it been the other way around, nothing would happen cause neither would we come here crying like mad about it, nor would any of you goons complain.
You whined on the forums when our Titans DD'd you left right and centre so CCP would nerf them, now you whine so CCP can further nerf carriers. While you're at it, why don't you ask CCP to nerf BoB iga so that anyone who joins will automatically lose 80% of their SP's, only be allowed to fly T1 frigates, and only be able to fit 1 gun... Maybe then you'll be able to actually beat us 1 on 1... Another solution could be to not attack our poses, then we wouldnt need to use carriers to repair them and could switch over to our Dreads.
I can only hope CCP disregards your whineage. It's sickening. No wait, it's beyond that.
Guys, grow up already! You've had more than enough time to do so by now. |
jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.09.15 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: jeffb on 15/09/2007 12:20:47 The OP is actually from the SHC forum and was written a long time before anything in 0oy happened. Nice troll though.
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Cmdr Sp0ck
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: jeffb Edited by: jeffb on 15/09/2007 12:20:47 The OP is actually from the SHC forum and was written a long time before anything in 0oy happened. Nice troll though.
Yet you felt the need to make an EVE-O thread about it now. How curious... |
1Of9
Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.15 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sp0ck Edited by: Cmdr Sp0ck on 15/09/2007 12:27:34
Yet you felt the need to make an EVE-O thread about it now. How curious, especially when the majority of people "signing" are goons...
What he said --^
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Jesus HChrist
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Posted - 2007.09.15 13:50:00 -
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lag sucks? try NOT bringing 400 ppl, 50 of which are in noob ships.
fecking whiners
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.15 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sp0ck Yet you felt the need to make an EVE-O thread about it now. How curious, especially when the majority of people "signing" are goons...
Well Bein's F&ID eve-o post was made here over a month ago. But please, continue to enjoy your tinfoil moment. Be sure not to include any constructive criticism or rational counter arguments, I'm sure your normal PvF warriors drooling about evil goonie nerf plots will do more to convince CCP.
[insert some emoticons here]
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maria stallion
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:41:00 -
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It's kind of funny to see Goons want to reduce lagg, while history showed us they tried everything possible to create lagg to win a fight.
if you really want to reduce lagg why don't you try to bring even numbers to a fleet fight and not wait an hour extra to get 3 times as much as the oponent and after the fight whine about the lagg...
This just looks to me like, a small kid that can't win so he starts crying that the game is not fair. Start ordering your members to show up in decent ships or leave tehm behind, because bringing shuttles, rookie ships and pods to the battle is not reducing the lagg.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.09.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: maria stallion It's kind of funny to see Goons want to reduce lagg, while history showed us they tried everything possible to create lagg to win a fight.
Goons don't want to reduce lag. They just want it to work only to THEIR advantage (after all the lag-blob is their invention).
When it doesn't they cry a lot
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 15:38:00 -
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all i see in this thread is Goons whine about lag which is highly amusing, and second after that is CCP plzz make this Goonswarm Online.
i have faith in ccp and we all want lag reduced , but plzz goons mass whining every time u have a hard time just dont make u any better.
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Menth
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 15:49:00 -
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Its not the fighters causing the lag. Its the 300-500 man blob that goonswarm has to bring to fight. like on 14/09/07 The server was fine with 300 in local. Goons try to jump in 300+ people. Server grinds to a halt. Not one fighter was used until at least 20 mins later. So no fighters have no effect on laggy fights as the lag is there anyways. They are rather handy at killing goons tho. Hence this thread.
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wph0r
Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.15 15:52:00 -
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Please change the topic to: "PETITION: Reduce Goonswarm forum spam!"
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Ivan Hablovi
Minmatar Financial Removal
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Posted - 2007.09.15 16:55:00 -
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I admit that the sheer amount of fighters with one particular alliance is tremendous, I dont sign this since its only purpose is to undermine the high SP players capabilities, and for that, its obvious why this thread is more or less full of just Goon members.
And also. Fighters are not the reason for lag, in fights where there is +300 people, the lag is produced more from actual player actions.
Im ex-FinFleet member, and I remember fighting RAGOON back in the days, and I must point out, that back then, the lag was produced by ridiculous amount of simultanous jumpins, even the nodes went down like cardhouse in a hurricane.
So, if this thread is to reduce lag, I think its a failure to issue the actual problem. But in otherhand, as I see it. This is only another "Nerf High SP players who are Overpowered"
Last time this kind of thread was made, it was made by goons to nerf Titans, which had a good point in it. Titans were overpowered.
Now the actual "whine" in this thread, is that BoB has seemingly found a way to fight Goons in their own game, and its ****ing goons off.
Thats my 10 cents on this issue.
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The Economist
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:38:00 -
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I'd be against these ideas for a few reasons:
It's a stop-gap fix with little effect in the grand scheme of things, been done before, didn't make that much difference.
Reducing the number of fighters nerfs carriers regardless what you do to hitpoints. Less drones to delegate, less to target, less to kill, can effectively engage less targets etc.
It would also be yet another nerf to CCP's anti-blob weaponry. Case in point would be titans, DDs were working to break up blobs and discourage super-blobs (especially on one grid), much whining happened, titans got nerfed; the second this happened the blobs grew again. Blobs = Lag. This "solution" exacerbates the issue of blob lag by nerfing a blob counter. Thereby cancelling out any gains achieved.
1 fighter delegated to a ship at one time?
Making people train up high rank skills to get back to where they currently are? Yeah that'll be a popular idea. I mean we've all seen in the past how much the eve community as a whole loves this approach to "balance"
Reduce the drone bay? A Domi can carry 2 waves of heavies and some assorted extras. A carrier can carry two waves of fighters [a limited amount] and some assorted smaller ones. This is a good thing. This is called balance
The only interesting idea i've noticed in this thread is removing drone collisions. Could be a good idea, but would give us immaterial drones, which does seem to me pretty silly, they should be solid objects (ideally a little more intelligent and capable of following orders than they are atm).
To summarise:
This idea: NO.
I say no to nerfing gameplay for such reasons. It's not a question of balance so shouldn't be a candidate for a nerf.
CCP are constantly trying to attack the Lag issues from every angle, the fact that nerfing of fighters hasn't been so much as mooted in god knows how many blogs and interviews does imply that it's not a profitable avenue of thought. Likely a drop in the ocean compared to the solutions they're working on.
COMPUTER SAYS NO, STOP WHINING.
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Marvn Riley
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 17:41:00 -
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No.
This didn't come out until you lost a big fight. Now you're all whining about it.
Losing a battle doesn't make you game dev geniuses. It just means you lost. Get over it.
You jumped into a system with a prepared enemy, who had time to set their defenses to a tactical advantage. And got whipped in the process.
Don't cry that lag was an unfair advantage. I still remember the exploitative Bookmark bomb-shuttles you used to run, and the node crashing ftw against LV.
Pretty sure I would be seeing a completely different story if the winner/loser bracket had been flipped.
Which means you whine because you lost.
CCP can't fix you sucking. Sorry.
Marvn
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MivMining
Gallente NXS Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.15 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: MivMining on 15/09/2007 18:19:01 So can we nerf T1 blobs? To the THREADNAUGHT!
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Nova Cygni
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.15 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Cygni on 15/09/2007 18:56:53 you guys are right, those goons are complaining for no reason!
its not like BoB has ever been known to abuse broken game mechanics! they would never use the aggression timer to kill a titan, or abuse the clearly broken titan game mechanic, or POS bowl. And they CERTAINLY wouldnt use an absurd number of fighters just to lag nope nope. you guys are right.
oh wait? whats this picture i just found: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3491/fightersvr0.jpg
hmmmm.
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Slaatibartfast
Chimp Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Slaatibartfast on 15/09/2007 19:05:05
Originally by: Nova Cygni Edited by: Nova Cygni on 15/09/2007 18:56:53 you guys are right, those goons are complaining for no reason!
its not like BoB has ever been known to abuse broken game mechanics! they would never use the aggression timer to kill a titan, or abuse the clearly broken titan game mechanic, or POS bowl. And they CERTAINLY wouldnt use an absurd number of fighters just to lag nope nope. you guys are right.
oh wait? whats this picture i just found: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3491/fightersvr0.jpg
hmmmm.
Damn those evil BoB and their h4xsploits!
I mean it's not like any sane person would choose to use capitals that can remote rep each other to fight other caps....that would be utter madness. Must just be to create lag which indiscriminately affects all and therefore would serve to shoot them in their own feet. Sheer tactical genius!
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1Of9
Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Cygni Edited by: Nova Cygni on 15/09/2007 18:56:53 you guys are right, those goons are complaining for no reason!
its not like BoB has ever been known to abuse broken game mechanics! they would never use the aggression timer to kill a titan, or abuse the clearly broken titan game mechanic, or POS bowl. And they CERTAINLY wouldnt use an absurd number of fighters just to lag nope nope. you guys are right.
oh wait? whats this picture i just found: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3491/fightersvr0.jpg
hmmmm.
yeah .. finally u admiting you whining because u got OWNED and u had to win to come to the forums scream victory.. oh wait .. u cant can u ? TO THE WHINEMOBILE you all read in the goons forum right?
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: 1Of9 we cant oublob anymore .. CCP nerf!!!
nooo we are blobed to hell NERF!!
nerf nerf nerf nerf
Those smilies pretty much sum up what i did when i saw the goon whines ^^
Very funny :D
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Slaatibartfast
Chimp Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:08:00 -
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Oh almost forgot;
Turret calculations create lag.
What about limiting each ship to one turret/launcher and adjusting/creating skills to up their dmg to the equivalent of current levels?
Oh wait, that's right, it's a crap approach to tackling lag.
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Nova Cygni
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Slaatibartfast
Must just be to create lag which indiscriminately affects all and therefore would serve to shoot them in their own feet. Sheer tactical genius!
Yes, because we all know that fighters dont auto target in lag or anything, so clearly where would the advantage be!
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Bon Ali
Bon's Ecological Recycling
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: 1Of9
yeah .. finally u admiting you whining because u got OWNED and u had to win to come to the forums scream victory.. oh wait .. u cant can u ? TO THE WHINEMOBILE you all read in the goons forum right?
I really hope english is your 9th language.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jesus HChrist lag sucks? try NOT bringing 400 ppl, 50 of which are in noob ships.
fecking whiners
Checking out BoBs killboard looking for rookie ship losses I am having trouble finding 50 rookie ship kills other then yesterday when we started suiciding into 0OY as it was seen as a lost cause. The number of shuttles killed in the last year is almost negligible. Checking frigate losses I also see that aside from yesterday in the past several weeks frigate losses are at an all time low. I am forced to conclude BoB is either unable to handle our rookie shuttle gangs, we are not fighting BoB or (the most likely scenario) we havent had much more then 200 people in gang and they are flying much more then frigates for the past while.
I guess we can put the rookie ship, bookmark bomb and intentional lag myths to rest now using your own killboard.
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Slaatibartfast
Chimp Logistics
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Slaatibartfast on 15/09/2007 19:24:17 Edited by: Slaatibartfast on 15/09/2007 19:23:17
Originally by: Nova Cygni
Originally by: Slaatibartfast
Must just be to create lag which indiscriminately affects all and therefore would serve to shoot them in their own feet. Sheer tactical genius!
Yes, because we all know that fighters dont auto target in lag or anything, so clearly where would the advantage be!
They respond to agression....think about what that actually means before you claim it's an advantage in big fights where you're trying to focus fire on caps...
Warp into a fight/mission etc, nothing targets you, nothing aggros you, you launch your drones, your drones will do nothing.
Seriously, where are you guys getting all these wierd ideas about how drones work from? Or do you order all your pilots to make sure they each fire a shot at every carrier just to make sure they get fighters auto-aggro'ing them?
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Bon Ali
Bon's Ecological Recycling
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Slaatibartfast
They respond to agression....think about what that actually means before you claim it's an advantage in big fights where you're trying to focus fire on caps...
Warp into a fight/mission etc, nothing targets you, nothing aggros you, you launch your drones, your drones will do nothing.
Seriously, where are you guys getting all these wierd ideas about how drones work from? Or do you order all your pilots to make sure they each fire a shot at every carrier just to make sure they get fighters auto-aggro'ing them?
Chimp Logistics, at the forefront of fleet battles on a daily basis, ready to dish out the hard earned knowledge! ps you are dumb.
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1Of9
Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bon Ali I really hope english is your 9th language.
it is
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 20:39:00 -
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Have they understood that fighters DO NOT auto aggro like drones do yet and only respond to aggression or commands?
Allied forces strike coalition fleet, wrecking for toys thrown out of pram damage ^^ |
Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.15 20:52:00 -
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