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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:25:00 -
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I was in a van fleet the other night and we were laughing our asses off at BS shutting down every NCO that spawned.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
388
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:35:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I was in a van fleet the other night and we were laughing our asses off at BS shutting down every NCO that spawned.
NCO's are a joke in Slep fleets. They clear everything out so fast it's really a case of blink and miss it.
It's the same with Mach fleets in OTA's. They shoot 3 targets and warp off.
Fix the blitz and you fix the Vanguards. Then adjust them to be in balance with the other sites for time+effort=reward.
Glad to see the CSM warned against instagibbing damage. It's not a fun mechanic in any way and offers no complexity or difficulty. |
Lexa Hellfury
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
28
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:38:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:CCP are now actively supporting anything other richer, far more powerful players do in order to get Highsec dwellers into lowsec. The news is veiled as an almost allegoric mission by Krissada, which CCP are strutting as "the right stuff".
[snip]
Way to go CCP, let's see what else you can come up with to chase players out of Eve.
Fix things, stop breaking the game by supporting such idiocy.
You realize that ISD are not CCP, yes? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1123
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:47:00 -
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The Sansha mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
Now is the time for all noobs and non-combatants eschewed by leet incursion runners to fit a T1 BS with 70+ percent resists and 90K+ EHP in armor and join the mothership takedown fleets.
You will have more fun doing that than posting fits in an incursion channel and being "judged". You will learn better fleet tactics than "RR Baitball" You will have FCs who are more experienced in killing things than grinding ISK.
The mothership is the biggest fattest red plus you will find in high sec, and if you never experienced being in a fleet before in the goal of taking down a capital, this is your chance.
Imagine a night club where they have a bouncer who judges how you look, and if you are not cool enough or your breasts not big enough, they say you can't get in . If you get in, you pay way too much for drinks and everybody is a snob.
Across the street is the club where you walk into the door, come as you are, and the prices are reasonable.
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
37
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:48:00 -
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ummm 621 in..... where HS LS NS?
All 3?
Also who wastes time reading that ****?
"This, to her, is a blatant misuse of CONCORD's reward system and she is focused on stopping what she believes is an "ISK faucet". Disgruntled with how Incursions are fought she revealed her belief that "Sansha forces appear to be infinite, as is the depth of CONCORD's wallet"."
Um, concord is in HS, they are UBER strong... yettt can't come in and kill them...
That has to be the worst RP ever.
Either take them out of HS or deal. People cry to much.
and no I do not run any. |
ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
318
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:57:00 -
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CCP have got the right idea with this. What I find flabbergasting is they're removing a highsec ISK faucet without even touching the nullsec ISK faucet - I refer, of course, to tech moons.
However, there's nothing gamebreaking about tech moons really. Tech moons do have a risk/reward factor in that alliances battle for control over these moons; incursions, on the other hand, present no risk to the incursion-runners except possibly a fail logistics pilot ruining it for everyone. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
34
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:30:00 -
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The griefing of Incuribears via murdering the Mom site makes me excited in my ways, some dirty. I fully support all services that troll highsec incursions. /me snugglehump you long time GÖÑ
~ I AM PETEBBA |
ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
318
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:37:00 -
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TheButcherPete wrote:The griefing of Incuribears via murdering the Mom site makes me excited in my ways, some dirty. I fully support all services that troll highsec incursions.
Omfg hai pete <3 |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
25
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:37:00 -
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Their "brilliant" griefing tactic would be much more potent if they actually did the MS sites when they appeared, rather than threatening to do them so they can scream "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" at the top of their lungs. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
388
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:46:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote: Tech moons do have a risk/reward factor in that alliances battle for control over these moons; incursions, on the other hand, present no risk to the incursion-runners except possibly a fail logistics pilot ruining it for everyone.
Fleets battle for the payout in incursions. Just because you're not shooting each other doesn't mean there's no competition.
I've seen fleets go out for hours and make pittance because they got rolled by shiny fleets, they'd have made more money by going off and doing missions in groups. |
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J Kunjeh
331
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:48:00 -
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God there are some stupid people in Eve. This was a NEWS report, that is all...it didn't express CCP's opinion on the matter. FFS, get a life. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
35
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:55:00 -
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good to see player initiative at stopping farmer coalition perversion.
if that isn't enough, the quickest fixes (without redesigning sites, spawns etc) would be: 1. only one hisec incursion available at a time 2. only one vanguard system per hisec incursion
thus the bears with the highest gear scores can continue what they do, but hopefully get into more fights amongst themselves. also trammel had no champion spawns i think. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:00:00 -
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I say nerf incursions, nerf drakes, nerf pretty much anything Endeavor Starfleet whines about. |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
18
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:09:00 -
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Nerf Tech Moons....now that would produce a tital wave of tears on the forums, although they should be evenly distrubuted threw out null i believe. Not nerfed. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
142
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:15:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Nerf Tech Moons....now that would produce a tital wave of tears on the forums, although they should be evenly distrubuted threw out null i believe. Not nerfed.
The CSM and pretty much goons/cfc have been begging for a tech nerf for months. In fact their latest shenginans are not only for revenge but also to screw up tech goo so badly that CCP will be forced to fix it. |
DocKado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:12:00 -
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Here we go another type of game play that everyone enjoys doing gets good isk so they can afford those nice things and can go up against the bitter goons // vets who have played the game this way for years...
High sec is high sec null sec is null sec...
all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
watch ccp and csm *cough* goons - kill the game together.... CSM are a waste of space - could start by getting a true representation of the player base by employing someone who represents high sec parties.
the game is two - null and high - it doesnt matter where people and how people play as long as it good for the game - how many players are now able to pvp regularly becuase they are able to run a few incursions with their limited time.....
You twats make me sick go **** the game up again and see all those people who you managed to get to return to the game leave and leave for good.. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
869
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:19:00 -
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DocKado wrote:Here we go another type of game play that everyone enjoys doing gets good isk so they can afford those nice things and can go up against the bitter goons // vets who have played the game this way for years...
High sec is high sec null sec is null sec...
all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
watch ccp and csm *cough* goons - kill the game together.... CSM are a waste of space - could start by getting a true representation of the player base by employing someone who represents high sec parties.
the game is two - null and high - it doesnt matter where people and how people play as long as it good for the game - how many players are now able to pvp regularly becuase they are able to run a few incursions with their limited time.....
You twats make me sick go **** the game up again and see all those people who you managed to get to return to the game leave and leave for good..
So fixing inbalances in the Incursion system to encourage people to stop farming the easy sites and make the difficult sites more worthwhile is a bad thing... gotcha. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
DocKado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:36:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:DocKado wrote:Here we go another type of game play that everyone enjoys doing gets good isk so they can afford those nice things and can go up against the bitter goons // vets who have played the game this way for years...
High sec is high sec null sec is null sec...
all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
watch ccp and csm *cough* goons - kill the game together.... CSM are a waste of space - could start by getting a true representation of the player base by employing someone who represents high sec parties.
the game is two - null and high - it doesnt matter where people and how people play as long as it good for the game - how many players are now able to pvp regularly becuase they are able to run a few incursions with their limited time.....
You twats make me sick go **** the game up again and see all those people who you managed to get to return to the game leave and leave for good.. So fixing inbalances in the Incursion system to encourage people to stop farming the easy sites and make the difficult sites more worthwhile is a bad thing... gotcha.
For you dear!
Quote:all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:22:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:the nullsec ISK faucet - I refer, of course, to tech moons. Tech isn't an isk faucet. It transfers isk, yes, but it doesn't add or remove isk from the game in any way, shape or form. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:24:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Elder Ozzian wrote: IT'S NOT A NERF, it's balancing. Yeah.... rigth... CCP dont like the word "nerf".... So they call it "balancing". They removed allmost all drones from super-carriers (a droneship) and called it "rebalancing" A bloo bloo bloo. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
869
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:34:00 -
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DocKado wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:DocKado wrote:Here we go another type of game play that everyone enjoys doing gets good isk so they can afford those nice things and can go up against the bitter goons // vets who have played the game this way for years...
High sec is high sec null sec is null sec...
all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
watch ccp and csm *cough* goons - kill the game together.... CSM are a waste of space - could start by getting a true representation of the player base by employing someone who represents high sec parties.
the game is two - null and high - it doesnt matter where people and how people play as long as it good for the game - how many players are now able to pvp regularly becuase they are able to run a few incursions with their limited time.....
You twats make me sick go **** the game up again and see all those people who you managed to get to return to the game leave and leave for good.. So fixing inbalances in the Incursion system to encourage people to stop farming the easy sites and make the difficult sites more worthwhile is a bad thing... gotcha. For you dear! Quote:all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
Which was pretty much exactly what was proposed sweetie.
It helps when you actually read the article you are discussing. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1125
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:54:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Roime wrote:Did you know that if you wrap your hard drive in two layers of tinfoil, it will prevent your Drake from getting nerfed? So if I wrap my Myrmidon in tinfoil, will that fix it ?
Wrap it in nylon and I might have sex with it.
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xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:59:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:DocKado wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:DocKado wrote:Here we go another type of game play that everyone enjoys doing gets good isk so they can afford those nice things and can go up against the bitter goons // vets who have played the game this way for years...
High sec is high sec null sec is null sec...
all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
watch ccp and csm *cough* goons - kill the game together.... CSM are a waste of space - could start by getting a true representation of the player base by employing someone who represents high sec parties.
the game is two - null and high - it doesnt matter where people and how people play as long as it good for the game - how many players are now able to pvp regularly becuase they are able to run a few incursions with their limited time.....
You twats make me sick go **** the game up again and see all those people who you managed to get to return to the game leave and leave for good.. So fixing inbalances in the Incursion system to encourage people to stop farming the easy sites and make the difficult sites more worthwhile is a bad thing... gotcha. For you dear! Quote:all it needs is a bit more variety to slow the fleets down or harder targets to kill...
Which was pretty much exactly what was proposed sweetie. It helps when you actually read the article you are discussing.
I did read the report and what was apparent was that the CSM and CCP agree with someonething when really the CSM who are meant to represent the players base do not have a clue...
Incursions are made easy by their lack of AI - they give people who are have a life and real life issues such as kids and jobs to deal with... gives many high sec corps the ability to get organised for fleets and the correct ship doctrines quicker rather than having to wait weeks for enough isk to be beaten up by the blobs.....
Some of you people are stupid - its a game..... the CSM are all corrupt and have no agenda other than to please the people around them....
Incursions are fine - so what people can make a bit of isk from it its not different from those who are lucky enough to have numbers in their fleet from sitting on high ends and mooching all the isk they can from it.
wake up you tart. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:00:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Nerf Tech Moons....now that would produce a tital wave of tears on the forums, although they should be evenly distrubuted threw out null i believe. Not nerfed.
My understanding is that nerfing the demand for technetium (ideally by altering the production requirements of some T2 items so less producers needed it) would transfer the bottleneck down to the next most valuable material, making Neodymium the new supermoon.
Neo moons are much more equally distributed through space than Tech is. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:24:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:sitting on high ends and mooching all the isk they can from it. Except "those who have numbers in their fleet from sitting on high ends" aren't spewing forth isk into the economy like a runaway firehose. They're transferring it from some players to themselves. |
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:45:00 -
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I'm often on the side of the bears in regards to some subjects, but good grief. HTFU people. You found a sweet spot and allowed yourselves to get settled in on it thinking it would never go away. Now that is being taken from you by people who play the game differently than you do. It's EVE ffs. Would you rather they skipped the mother ship and just focused on created mass suicide fleets to take you out instead? At least they are just targeting NPC's. Profit favors the prepared |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:59:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:sitting on high ends and mooching all the isk they can from it. Except "those who have numbers in their fleet from sitting on high ends" aren't spewing forth isk into the economy like a runaway firehose. They're transferring it from some players to themselves.
isk into the market is good - people having a good time spending making the economy spin....
But hey never mind about the goons who control a large portion of the games biggest passive isk element and the fact they have so much influence in the game to rise nitro price so high that running poses for some become un profitable...
but hey lets jump on the backs of those people who enjoying the game....
i seem to be having the same conversation with you zimmy boy.... high sec is high sec you want people back in null buff it so people may find living in null more fun than what it is atm with your 60 man + blobs running around killing the 11 man incursion fleets that have just spent an hour to go pvp... |
Gaven Blands
Cosmic Fusion
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:11:00 -
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Heres the thing, if ccp moves all incursions to low sec 90% of people currently running them wont bother. The only thing it will do is make all the low sec dwellers very happy and thats it. As for people stating there is no risk, try running incursions and see that without logi support, you would die very quickly. CCP needs to be very careful when balancing incursions, if they get it wrong their idea for a new system of players working together will be over. This will be followed by the return to level 4 farming. |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:20:00 -
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im reading and it says nothing about nerfing in the report but a rebalance.... what does that mean....
When ever ccp call it a rebalance its a nerf so that is why im pissed... We run these things as a corp to make isk to pvp we do not have shinys and arre always competing for sites so the 100bill isk an hour you speak of doesnt happen with us. We help give people the chance to make isk so they can get into a fleet in the right ships to pvp.
Im sick of all the dog and bones in null sec saying high sec incursions are reunining the game, and the CSM having their own agendas...
if farming is the issue its not the pay out that should change its the difficulty and randomous.
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ShipToaster
100
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:27:00 -
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Juliana Stinger wrote:"621 billion ISK is paid out by CONCORD every week from Incursions" impressive amount of isk they are making.
Even more impressive when you realise that the actual number could well be far higher than this exceptionally conservative estimate.
Assume three fleets per VG system making an average of 100mil per person per hour. That is 9 billion per incursion from the three VG's alone each hour. Add in another billion for those running assault or headquarters fleets. Double this as there are normally at least two incursions being run at a time. 20 billion an hour for a conservative 160 hours is 3200 billion a week.
I did round the numbers to make the calculation easy to follow but even this is a conservative estimate as there is more likely to be three incursions being farmed rather than one, more likely to be 40 sites run per system per hour not 30, this estimate does not include loyalty points which can add 5% minimum to 15% for those who convert well. Only CCP would know the real amount and there is no chance they will reveal this dirty little secret.
I would put the raw ISK injection into EVE from incursions at closer to a conservative 3 trillion a week. CCP economists say this is not a serious problem? No incursion runner I know pays for their account now (unless they paid in advance and are waiting for it to run out), every one of them plexes it with under five hours grinding per month. There was a statement that CCP want lower plex prices as people are unlikely to pay for their accounts using other methods but this is a problem inherent with incursions as why should people pay real money for gametime when getting a plex is so **** easy and it is relatively painless to grind those billions a week?
To put this in perspective I will give myself as an example. I currently have seven accounts. It costs me under 3.5 billion a week to plex them. Seventy percent of this comes from passive or the most basic activities taking less than five minutes a day. Three hours of incursion grinding a week lets me pay for seven accounts. It would only be nine hours a week to pay for seven accounts with no other source of income. Working as intended?
Scatim Helicon wrote:jonnus ursidae wrote:Darius III wasn't he a Goon? Ugh, we do have some standards you know.
Oh no you dont.
The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |
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